Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[alyoop]

Someone on Twitter yesterday said that the other Walmart didn't open until 2010 as well. But yes, she definitely said SEVERAL times both to Nurmi and Juan that it was the same store so she's sunk. I hope Nurmi tries to tell the jury otherwise because I think Juan will replay her testimony or at least have it read into the record.

Maybe Nurmi will say that someone was purchasing a wooden spoon at the same exact time, so she entered a semi-fog and wasn't able to remember exactly which store in which town?

[Bellaboo]

It's going to be pure torture listening to Nurmi today but I won't miss a word of it.

You know I was not going to listen to him today because I find him repulsive in every manner and I am not just talking physically. He is sleazy ... and crude and crass and a one trick pony with a perpetual sneer on his face and he has shown the prosecutor and the judge disrespect in the court room. Then I thought how bravely his brothers and sisters have sat and listened to DT defame and slander Travis. So if they can stand it I guess we can too. So I am with you there

[dizzyp]

Who cares? She can't bring anything else into evidence. All she has left is slow talking Nurmi. I think all he'll talk about is what he calls Travis' sexual abuse of Jodi.

if I hear Nurmi say "3 hole wonder" I'm throwing my shoe at the screen

[Iwanthetruth2]

Lol hahaha I tweeted e sturdy that Juan sounds like he watched Fargo the night before because if he " dont ya know" first half of the trial.....love that movie

[I doubt it]

if I hear Nurmi say "3 hole wonder" I'm throwing my shoe at the screen

Yeah! I'm starting to worry about the safety of my screens today. Let's make sure to remove any heavy objects from our vicinity as we watch. Keep a basketful of rolled up socks handy!

[Iluvsam]

if I hear Nurmi say "3 hole wonder" I'm throwing my shoe at the screen

Be ready and get your shoe, because it is going to happen!

[Iwanthetruth2]

I want to apologize to anyone that has ever read any of y messages I cannot type on my iPhone and proof reading is not in my vocabulary

[Sylvian]

Hey, parking my bottom here to read along with closing with nurmi (zzz). Anyone notice JA's demeanour after they came back from lunch during JM's closing? Something obviously upset her, she looked quite teary and red nosed.

[ShellJett]

I was just listening to a podcast about the death penalty. It was talking about this jury being comprised of more men than women, and went on to say that men have a tougher time imposing the death penalty on a woman.
I am not positive I buy this argument. I realize its just to make me bonkers during deliberations, however, my hubby was listening with me and he commented that he would vote DP in a NY minute for stabby.
Most of the women I know would not be for the DP, however, again in this case, they say they would inject her themselves.
So.... what do you intelligent people think?
As if I need one more fucking thing to worry about with this jury lol

If the jury finds Cruelty in the Aggravation phase, the sentencing hearing will include any mitigating factors the DT can conjure up. I have not found a single redeeming quality in Stabby, and her attempt to destroy TA's character and reputation during the trial may come back to bite her in Sentencing. I am undecided about dedicating several hours to watch Nurmi, but I will watch JM's final close. I want to see Stabby's expression change, and I get an immense feeling of satisfaction watching her realize she is "losing". She has made a mockery of this trial, and I hope the jury finds her just as offensive as we do.

[Freethinker]

Hey, parking my bottom here to read along with closing with nurmi (zzz). Anyone notice JA's demeanour after they came back from lunch during JM's closing? Something obviously upset her, she looked quite teary and red nosed.

Wouldn't you be upset if your bread was stale for your P&B sandwich?

[Person]

Does a reasonable juror believe that a naked, soaking wet man tried to kill a woman because of a dropped camera, so the woman had to kill the man three times over in self-defense?

[zeebee]

http://cnninsession.files.wordpress....visautopsy.pdf

Here is a link to the ME's report. Show me where it says the bullet traveled through the brain. Or anything else, diagrams, anything that illustrates the bullet trajectory through the brain. Penetrating the skull does not = penetrating the brain. A bullet can't get to the brain without penetrating the dura. Unless it's a magic bullet.?

First page, love:

Gun shot wound of head, without exit:

A. Gunshot wound of entrance, right forehead, indeterminate range
B. Perforation of inferior skull base, anterior fossa, and facial skeleton
C. No gunshot wound exit
D. Small caliber deformed projectile recovered from left cheek
E. Wound trajectory: right to left and downwards

Not to insult your intelligence crickets, but how do you think that the bullet managed to get through the facial skeleton, anterior fossa & inferior skull base without penetrating the dura mater? Talk about a magic bullet!

[Sylvian]

Wouldn't you be upset if your bread was stale for your P&B sandwich?

[blighted star]

The topic was over HOURS ago and then you bring it up again to....what? Jam it in someone's head?

I've deleted all reference to the topic so that it doesn't breach any rules of discussion. But I expect I've still probably committed a crime of some sort because this response isn't timely either. I'm not trying to jam anything into your head. You don't HAVE to read it. Nothing's going to get jammed anywhere if you don't look.

At the time I posted, the topic wasn't OVER hours ago, it had been DISCUSSED hours ago - & I even acknowledged that. Not all of us can post when the discussions are live. Some of us have jobs. Some have kids. Some live in other timezones. Some live in completely different hemispheres. There were over 20 posts about a burp in 2 or 3 pages at around the time I posted. In around 40?pgs, I posted twice on the subject you've deemed "never to be mentioned again". 2 posts is hardly jacking the thread.

I might be out by one or two posts, but I'm fairly sure the most I've ever posted on a single discussion point on a given day is 4 posts. That's really not excessive in this thread & it's pretty normal for most in MDS. If anything, my count is below average for this thread - & unlike many here, this isn't the only one I post in. I could understand completely if you complained I was being snarky. Because I was. & that's not the way I like to treat people. So having read my own words a day later? I apologise to everyone here, because that first one was a shitty way to speak to you all & I wish I'd worded it very differently.

But your complaint wasn't the entirely valid argument that I was being a complete shit, it was that I was untimely? You don't seem to have a problem with the timeliness of posts you agree with? But maybe I'm being unfair. Maybe I somehow overlooked your other timeliness complaints. If you feel it's a pressing issue perhaps you could suggest Mike ban members from any timezone other than yours, & have anyone remaining warned that thread bumping has now been reduced to hours (or minutes for topics that REALLY annoy you, like most of mine) rather than days. That might help minimise these irritations for you.

If it's any consolation, this thread is probably about to slow back down to a normal growth rate & when that happens conversations will take place over DAYS - like they do in every other thread here. Timeliness measured in hours shouldn't be much of an issue & I'm sure we'll all be the happier for it.



ETA there is no hidden message in the pig. He was just really, really cute.

[M Joy]

Does a reasonable juror believe that a naked, soaking wet man tried to kill a woman because of a dropped camera, so the woman had to kill the man three times over in self-defense?

No. Definitely not a reasonable person. I really hope there are no idiots on this jury.

I'm only mildly disappointed that I have several training calls today so I'll have to miss some of Nurmi's babbling about abuse, anal and pedo stuff.

[sheesh]

Oh, yah, that Margie, she's a super lady... <---I live by Fargo, say it with that accent. go on, you know you want to...I am going to ALL day now. In fact, I may try to imitate Nurmi with that accent all day. That would make him more bearable, cuz I would be giggling my ass off...

Ya, you betcha there now. Dern tootin'. Far as dat goes, don't ya know that then? Oh ya, ya know.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

http://cnninsession.files.wordpress....visautopsy.pdf

Here is a link to the ME's report. Show me where it says the bullet traveled through the brain. Or anything else, diagrams, anything that illustrates the bullet trajectory through the brain. Penetrating the skull does not = penetrating the brain. A bullet can't get to the brain without penetrating the dura. Unless it's a magic bullet.

Wanna bet?

Page 4 Second paragraph.

Also keep in mind that JM showed the jury pictures of TA's skull with a bullet hole in it when Dr Horn was on the stand for the final time, along with pictures of the pudding like brain

You are getting lost in Willmott's word salad instead of listening to what Dr. Horn is actually saying.

I'm way behind as usual. Her younger brother was there today. I did not see the older brother, tho I saw that you pointed him out earlier.

Have you heard if any site will do text alerts via cell when verdict is in? I would hate to miss it.

Last Friday my ex-sister in law was shot in the head by her brother in Troy, Alabama. Her brother is being charged with felony murder. They're are calling it a case of domestic violence. This trial is especially emotional for me right now due to these recent events. There are some weird family issues due to a couple divorces and information is difficult to get. I have not talked to her in about 10yrs and I'm feeling badly over not keeping in touch.

to you. I didn't see her younger brother there yesterday, either in the am or pm. Her older brother (he looks rough) Carlton was seated behind Disco Donna in a green shirt in the am. Do you use twitter? You could check there for what news agencies are doing text alerts for the verdict.

I only wish I could have found out more about the coded messages in the magazines.

Ann Campbell, the person she was trying to pass the "secret coded messages" to so Campbell could give them to Matt McCartney was in court yesterday for the first time. She was seated to Donavan's left (our right on live stream).

JM might be saving them for his rebuttal close.

Maybe they were speaking with (oop I mean in ) tongues

From what I recall, Jodi had a previous phone that she claimed was stolen, and so Gus Searcy gave her the Helio phone. The Helio was used to record the phone sex, then Jodi claimed it was stolen from her car/family member's car shortly thereafter. She also claimed that her aunt found that phone 2 years later, in the car; so it was lost and never stolen And yes she claims her aunt found her phone while she was in jail.

Jodi's story doesn't hold up though because the sex tape was about May 10th or so. She claimed that it was lost/stolen in mid-May. But, we all saw the pictures taken from the phone the other day, dated June 3rd 2008 and showing Jodi's freshly dyed hair. If she took pictures with it on June 3rd, she clearly didn't lose it 2 weeks prior.

I would guess that she probably gave it to her aunt for safe-keeping, or more likely hid it so that messages couldn't be retrieved, then told her aunt where to find it when she thought the phone sex would come in handy.

From what I can recall, we have only seen messages from Travis' phone; his outgoing and Jodi's incoming.

Didn't Arias testify that the replacement Helio 'phone she got from Gus, was to replace the one she had before that got ruined when she put it into the cup holder (of whatever vehicle she was driving) that was filled with spilled coffee? It got so convoluted that I gave up on trying to sequence all of her telephone misfortunes. In any case, the Helio had recording capabilities that her previous 'phone lacked and she was finally able to record Travis's conversation as he had been asking her to do for some time.

Somewhere in there, she used some phone, to take the pictures of her privates in the cramped washroom of Gus's motor home in response to Travis's request. Was that the coffee 'phone or the new Helio?

Bizarre!

Yes! She testified she 'dropped' by Gus's motor home, (I think it was during her return from Mesa to Yreka at the end of April 2008). She then stated she got a text from Travis asking her to send him a 'picture.' She then went on to say, that because she was incapable of ever refusing Travis, she went into the cramped washroom at Gus's motor home and, with some difficulty, (she implied) she so maneuvered herself in those cramped quarters to lower or remove the clothing covering her 'parts' and take the picture with whatever working phone she had, then dispatch it to Travis. I suppose Martinez didn't think it was significant because I don't recall he pursued it. Even if he had tried to pin her down on which 'phone she purportedly used, she would have had some answer.

There were so many lies/stories about lost/stolen/ruined phones I've lost track. Funny though that they never recovered the picture she supposedly sent from creepy Gus's motor home bathroom from TA's phone or his computer. That was just another lie!

When responding to Nurmi regarding the gas can return. She said that there was a Starbucks in the "strip mall: where the Walmart was located. She said that after walmart she went to starbucks and went back into Walmart to return it. I think they if they attempt to say that she brought it to a different one then not only will she look like a liar but her whole DT will too.

Going to be interesting to see how Nurmi handles the gas cans.

To the question of whether he knew she was coming or not, is it just me or does it seem weird that since she would not have her phone on in AZ, she could not call him as she neared his house. I have never made a road trip to see anyone that I did not call them and check in every now and then with an update of my arrival time, especially if our arrival time was in the wee hours of the morning. Sure would be interesting to see Travis' phone records to see of she ever called him from a payphone. No phone calls points more towards "off the grid" type of behavior=more evidence of premeditation.

She turned off her phone so there would be no record of her being in AZ. I don't think TA knew she was coming.

It wasn't blackmail ..... it was worse: the truth.

Travis was going to expose the lies, the many stalking incidents, the made up stalker email, the theft, the unauthorized entry into his accounts, theft of his correspondence, the threats to other women, the tire slashing... Pull the curtain back for all to see the nothingness that comprised Jodi.

He was going to poison her with this at PPL, which Jodi decided was her new breeding ground for relationship victims.

And he was going to expose her in the church, which was Jodi's other new source for relationship victims.

Travis had credibility and much more control of PPL and the church than Jodi ever could. She was planning on an, "I'll show you, T-Dogg" life of finding a more successful in PPL and better Mormon boy husband. In her mind, revenge every day. All for Travis to see. It was competition now for her. She planned on shining brighter than Travis.

But Travis was not only going to deprive Jodi of himself & his life, he was going to expose her within PPL and within the church ( as much as he could). He was pissed.

So ALL of that played into it. Jodi could not win. So she killed him, and said...

I beat you, you brat. I'm still here, and you're dead. I win.

^That. Also telling that she kept saying to Flores that she was concerned about her "reputation"

if I hear Nurmi say "3 hole wonder" I'm throwing my shoe at the screen

Be ready and get your shoe, because it is going to happen!

Better have a lot of shoes handy!

Hey, parking my bottom here to read along with closing with nurmi (zzz). Anyone notice JA's demeanour after they came back from lunch during JM's closing? Something obviously upset her, she looked quite teary and red nosed.

JM spent the whole am destroying her "reputation"

Every time I see her smile and giggle, along with Willmott and Nurmi (who was actually smiling/chuckling When JM was talking about TA being naked/defenseless in the shower yesterday) I want JM to turn and say "You understand this is a Capitol case riiiight? That is is a serious case, riiiight"

[dizzyp]

DUI Juror #8 in the courtroom... per HLN

oh and the HLN anchor just called Juan "Ron Martinez"

[M Joy]

OH man. Juror No. 8 is back!

[zeebee]

Good morning all!
I was thinking last night about how there are so many unanswered questions in this case and I have a few working theories.
The ME's report and his omission of the dura is a little problematic and, perhaps it could become more of an issue if there wasn't so much other evidence. IMHO, there is a mountain of proof that Stabby killed Travis in cold blood. Maybe if there was more evidence to support Stabby's claim of self-defense, the ME report might be a bigger deal. Unfortunately for the defendant, there is just so much more proof that she murdered him and that she planned it. Dr. Southern drawl made a great analogy about how looking at the ME report's error in the scheme of the entire murder is like looking at the loss of a deck chair on the Titanic. It really looks insignificant when you know 1500 people drowned.

It's important because the defense is trying to paint the ME as a liar and/or incompetent in order to get the jury to discount his testimony. This is crucial to them because he directly contradicts Jodi's version of events. If the gunshot came last, her story is a total fabrication. If her story is a total fabrication, so is the self-defense claim. On the other hand, if the ME is lying and/or wrong, her version could be true (but it's not).

But I expect I've still probably committed a crime of some sort because this response isn't timely either.

I would not worry about being "timely". We can't all sit in this thread 24/7 and sometimes we have some catching up to do. Don't worry about it.

[Brillig]

I'll bet he'll tie that up! What I heard today seemed to be focused primarily on solidifying premeditation. Now the defense will flounder, slandering the true victim in an attempt at self-defense!? After they're done JM will put the icing on the cake.

I agree, that sums it up.

all of this is much ado about nothing.

If you find a bullet lodged in an inside wall of a house and there's a bullet hole in the opposite outside wall of the house penetrating from the outside to the inside you can reasonably infer that the bullet passed through the insulation BETWEEN the walls... as the ME said it's "geometry' and I'll add it's "physics"

the fact that he made a mistake on his report does not change the laws of physics. A jury (and even I) can figure this out

Exactly!

I'm strangely a bit nervous and don't understand why, maybe the thought of Travis being trashed all over again by the DT. I hope they have the sense to realise they shouldn't even attempt that again, and concentrate on their client's 'good' parts. That should take about 39 seconds then.

In fact, it's true. The other Walmart on Main Street in Salinas opened on July 7, 2010 per Walmart's press release.

http://news.walmart.com/news-archive...es-new-walmart

Perfect, thank you for this! I was worried Nurmi would say today that she returned it to the other Salinas Walmart, and that if there was a pro-Jodi juror, they might fall for it. Glad that loophole is now closed.

Yep. Shoot a bullet through a big glob of pudding. Where's the bullet track? The pudding collapsed back together.

No track, never happened?????

As Marge Gunderson would say: Iiiiiiiiiiii'm not sure I agree with you a hundred percent on your police work, there, Lou.

Perfect example. Also, thanks for the Marge pic and quote, cuz I loves me some Fargo! Brilliant flick!

(Plus it made me giggle, which I anticipate there might be precious little of today with Nurmi D up all day.)

if I hear Nurmi say "3 hole wonder" I'm throwing my shoe at the screen

How Khruschev.

[Cocopop]

Good Afternoon Y'all
May the Defense fall flat on their face today...

I pray for the Alexander family & friends, to sleep well & rest easy knowing that Juan Martinez, Det Flores & the state of Arizona gave their all to protect their loved ones character & memory, that special, funny, charismatic guy, named Travis we've all grown to love & wish we had the pleasure of meeting.

I, also, pray that tonight, while alone in her tiny cell, that Jodi's 300 dollar bargain basement tits, dislodge & flow up to her throat & suffocate her into a slow agonizing painful death.

[MISFIT]

I, also, pray that tonight, while alone in her tiny cell, that Jodi's 300 dollar bargain basement tits, dislodge & flow up to her throat & suffocate her into a slow agonizing painful death.

I love it when you talk dirty to me :) Here we go! My feed just went into the Arizona State Seal screen, so I'm getting nervous!

[Estefaniia]

Beth Karas ?
about a minute ago ?
Juror #8 has returned to the courtroom. He's with a woman (I assume his wife) and is seated in the gallery where #5 sat after she was removed. #jodiarias

[MartyT]

I know what a wildebeast is. So do you. But he meant to say "herd of wildebeasts stampeding" but the only word we got was wildebeast as he stumbled through the imagery.

So, anyway... boom.

Here is a quote from today. 9:29 in this video...

"So stop pointing a finger at him and stop wagging it as if somehow being a Mormon precludes you from being human. If somehow that's something bad that he did it because she's just as Mormon as he is. So if there's fingers, so if there are fingers to be pointed it should be pointed at the same at each other because if one's conduct is bad then the other is just as bad."

Seriously? That makes Wilmott look like a wordsmith.



There was another one on that video, I'm too lazy to find it exactly, but he was trying to say that the truth is easy to remember. The words that came out were "When you are telling the truth, ain't got not, bumble bumble..."

Another limp, damp squib rather than a boom. Your criticisms of Juan Martinez seem petty in the extreme. He is too loud, too SHOUTY, too long, too short, too pointy and now he isn't a wordsmith? If Juan Martinez took as long to craft and deliver a sentence as Nurmi, he would be presenting monologues of Shakespearean standards.

Sure, Martinez doesn't polish every word. Nor is his delivery the smoothest. Despite this, without reading from notes, under the gaze of the world's media, he towered in that courtroom. Juan Martinez doesn't have Brad Pitt looks, he isn't a trend follower or very young. It is precisely because he is an ordinary guy, with flaws, that people have warmed to him. This unlikely man has become a modern day hero because of what he does and how he does it. In an age of meaningless celebrities, a man who doesn't seek attention is being celebrated. The vast majority of the public see his sincerity, his dedication and his brilliance, despite constant carping about his style from talking head defense lawyers on TV. Juan Martinez wants justice for a brutally butchered young man, his family and friends. That simple, pure, determined quest for the truth is noble. Juan Martinez has great skill. He knows how to command attention, when to ramp it up, when to tone it down. He needs no lessons in courtroom performance from attention seeking TV lawyers or amrchair critics. Martinez is the real deal.