Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[gigiann]

ALV testified she could see abuse by TA toward Jodi in his angry text messages verbally abusing JA that fit the context of her continuum.

My question for ALV:
When you were married (still in closet) did you ever call him "a mother fucking asshole"?


I rest my case.

[Jagermomma]

She has men's groups in her practice and has been counseling men and women for 34years. Maybe she didn't lie but misspoke. She asked to see her lengthy CV but was denied.

She misspoke on so many things though. Wouldn't it be ironic if it was the testimony of the mitigation specialist / expert witness that tipped the jury over to guilt. Their questions sure sounded like that's where they're heading.

[Morticia]

Personally, I don't care if she gets LWOP or DP, whether she's happy or miserable...as long as she is locked away from society. She would do this again. No human being with half a heart or half a brain would do what she has done. She's a lethal, cunning predator and should be caged like the rabid animal she is.

[gigiann]

ppssssstt @ WT..was it you last night who posted that you discovered Alyce had never actually testified on the stand?

[gigiann]

Morticia said:
Personally, I don't care if she gets LWOP or DP, whether she's happy or miserable...as long as she is locked away from society. She would do this again. No human being with half a heart or half a brain would do what she has done. She's a lethal, cunning predator and should be caged like the rabid animal she is

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^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^ AMEN ^^^^^

[olgasbunghole]

*Originally Posted by olgasbunghole
just from observation, I think a safe guess would be "it" is a male identifier! "ithe" is such a vile human that anyone that is offended by me/us making fun of "ithe" has got to be just as vile! *Everybody else in gender transition has my full & deepest respect. just my feelings about this creature...............

totally disagree with this statement. I don't like the slamming of people's looks and this has been discussed many times on this board. Hardly makes me "vile" I believe there is a board for making jokes or w/e but what someone looks like has nothing to do with this trial or how they impeach themselves by showing their biases. There is a good article on Huffington Post on just this type of thing that I read from the State Fb page.

I don't know what you were smoking when you said this dianalyn! I was talking about Donovan the vile creature.............. that nobody seems to know the gender of!!!!!!!!!!! it's a little frightening to me that you took it personal

[gigiann]

We all thought things could not get any worse in this trial as we watched Jodi's testimony. Then along came a doctor dick. Then along came Alyce.

And the hits just keep on coming ...

[gigiann]

Pundit on HLN saying you can't argue the facts regarding TAs DV against JA:
1. Tie you up to a tree and put it up your ass
2. 3 hole wonder
3. Dirty whore

Ummm sir, how would you classify:
1. Ear to ear throat slashing
2. 29 stab wounds
3. Shot in the head

[Jadedmile]

The new Hodi pencil sharpener!!!
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m..._sharpener.jpg

[Brillig]

List from Alyces CV where she used 'testify' or 'testified'

The ALV "expert witness testimony" list was interesting, thanks for posting it. Now we know for sure that what some people feared (lots and lots of child custody cases where ALV had testified being overturned), was a needless fear. It appears she was involved in only two child custody cases in the last 11 years.

Well, IMO, I think her attorneys are sub par. I think some evidence was let in that her attorneys never even objected to.

One example would be the kool-aid stained car. Why did they let JM bring that up? Why didn't they ask the state if they even tested the kool aid stain? They (the def) just let the Budget guy bring it up and once he did-nothing was ever said about the kool aid stain again. So in some weird way-they let the kool aid just float around without disputing it. If I was a juror, I would assume the kool aid was blood.

The budget guy said there was no floor mats in the car. The attorneys never even bought up the fact that the "check in" sheet doesn't list that it's missing floor mats. Jodi was never charged for missing floor mats (unless there is a sheet that I haven't seen)

The hair color argument is shaky at best. JM can't really prove it, and Nurmi hasn't disproved it. It's just floating around. [SNIP]

Those are just some of the reasons I think Jodi has a good case for an appeal (if she is found guilty) I don't think it will do any good-and I think if that happens it will be well in the LONG away future.
Hope that made sense?

I don't think the rental car arguments were really much of a miss. While the stains in the car and the missing floor mats are slightly interesting, I don't think they are very important, now that Jodi has confessed to killing Travis. If she had stuck to either of the first two versions of her story (she wasn't there or ninjas did it), stains in the car and missing floor mats could be critical. But since Jodi admits killing Travis and disposing of evidence afterwards, I don't think those details about the rental car matter much. Choosing to rent a car matters, and wanting an anonymous colored one matters, and the missing and upside down license plates matter, because those all go to premeditation. But stains in the car and missing mats are both after the murder, so not that critical, imo.

I've always thought the hair color argument was not that critical, since a conviction or lack thereof is not going to be decided on whether or not she dyed her hair.

I actually think the defense has done a very thorough job with a terrible fact pattern and a super difficult client. Plus, they have to have spent at least 1.5 million just on the defense portion of the festivities by now. They object constantly, they attempt to get mistrials constantly, they even managed to get two experts to totally support Jodi's version of events in every possible detail. Personally, I find it extremely unlikely that Jodi could ever win an appeal on the basis of inadequate counsel. She will no doubt ask for one, and every other appeal she can think of, but I don't think she could prevail on that theory.

Lets talk about that ring finger. I don't think it was broken. I think she cut a tendon when she was stabbing Travis. When the tendon is cut or even nicked, it freezes the joint disabling it from straightening out.

Isnt it ironic that she can no longer get a ring on that finger?

Perhaps she will switch to a religion that wears the wedding ring on the right hand? She seems open to sudden religious changes, and Greek Orthodox adherents wear their wedding rings on the right ring finger.

With regards to your other point about ALV, I will gently remind you that she is the one who turned it into a pissing contest.

For example (this is not a real exchange, but is obviously being used to show how ridiculous ALV was being):

Juan: Do you like the color purple?
ALV: I used to know someone who wore purple sweatpants. They were totally fugly.
Juan: Ma'am I didn't ask if you know anyone who wore purple. Or sweatpants. I asked if you like the color purple.
ALV: One time I was wearing a white shirt, and I accidentally spilled wine on it. What a mess!
Juan: Ma'am, are you having trouble with the question?
ALV: I don't like your tone. You're mean. You need a time out!
Juan: I didn't ask...Ma'am. Yes, or no. Do you like the color purple?
ALV: Well, it's not a yes or no question.
Juan: ....Yes or no. Do you like the color purple?
ALV: Well, I'm trying to answer, but you're being a dick. I just said I can't answer yes or no. It's complicated. What shade of purple are we talking about? I love lavendar but I hate that blue-purple. It's my least favorite color in the crayola box, to be honest.
Juan: -manages to refrain from throttling the witness-

This is PERFECT. That is just exactly what a lot of the exchanges with ALV were like.

JM and Flores wanted to buy it is legit, why not it helped their case. But I could see her double jointed too and faking it all. For a true injury from any event, it fluctuates to much, totaly inconsistant from one minute to the next is what stands out most to me. I caught her practicing one day! lmao

I agree. Sometimes it seems very crooked, but there are other pictures (while she was testifying) where it is totally straight.

She has Gollum fingers.

She totally does, and they are creepy.

I believe ALV was supposed to be for mitigation but now Disco Donna is mitigation specialist. If jury finds her guilty, ALV won't be any part of mitigation. Guilty verdict means ALV did not convince them of DV. I am stumped as to why she was listed for mitigation in the first place.

Lots of people will testify during mitigation. Disco Donna is in charge of organizing that portion of the trial. ALV might be called to testify some more about how Jodi was abused and therefore should be spared from death.

[Freethinker]

Those 'pissing matches' you seem to look negatively on towards the experience prosecutor compiled into one hell of a cross exam that completely demolished any once of credibilty or believablity of the witness.
And that is of great signifigance when the killer's formal defense is DV.

Had he not done what he did, the jury would still think Alyce was a kindly grandma who knows what she's talking about.

Those matches turned into matches because of ALV avoiding any answers. Anything she said hardly pertained to what JM asked in the first place. Her favorite statements were the question is not a yes or no. Look at the part when he asked if the word stalking was on her continuum paper. All he asked was if it was printed there. What a three ring circus that turned out to be. Every answer contained a Travis bash, even though it had nothing to do with JM's question. I'm sure the jury must have picked up on this.

Some other lawyer might not have grilled ALV as much as Juan, but he eventually got his points across. Alyce herself caused those grill sessions.

[Freethinker]

Because he tried to have anal with Jodi once or twice, and Martinez was the last person to find out about it. It's Juan's first and favorite lie that he brings up during testimony because he enjoys asking people angry questions about anal sex on television. He has to know whether the buttfuck was consummated or there's going to be a mistrial. No one's really sure at this point. We need Bobby to testify to set the record straight on this important issue.

That issue is low priority. The priority is proving she stalked and it was premeditated. Finding out how many times she had anal sex is not the main point.

[Freethinker]

The cut doesn't have to be deep to knick the tendon. A bandaid would do. To me it is the only way she left blood at the scene. It would have hurt like a bitch though. And probably continued to hurt as the joint froze. Course, none of this was anywhere near to what Travis suffered.

If only Ryan could remember the bandaid locations. I'm sure remembering that was not his nor anyone's priority, but he did notice them. This girl must carry a box of bandaids as standard equipment.

[BreachofTrust]

Those 'pissing matches' you seem to look negatively on towards the experience prosecutor compiled into one hell of a cross exam that completely demolished any once of credibilty or believablity of the witness.
And that is of great signifigance when the killer's formal defense is DV.

Very true. JM demolished Alyce and Samuels and I'm very glad. I believe he could have accomplished the same result in a slightly different way though.

The prosecutor has one speed and I believe that contributed towards Alyce's defensiveness from the get go. That and of course, she was coached on what to expect.

I prefer a strategy where one builds up to their "a ha" moments so they have greater impact.

[elamir]

it's a shame that JA's own statement to detectives "if I had done this to Travis, I would beg for the death penalty" can't be used.

It was contained in her jail interview with Det Flores that was played to the jury.

[elamir]

Okay, how's this for a theory.....

Like everyone I've been racking my brain trying to figure out what is going with Alyce and testifying on Mon/Tue - After watching the Judge again in her instructions to Alyce at one point the Judge nearly says "the State" then changes her mind. So the I think the issue is one the State brought up and I don't think it has to do with her approaching Travis' family. I think it's a complaint aimed directly at the witness and something very serious which leaves her under subpoena, unusual as she's finished testifying as the end of juror questions clearly show, and having been told multiple times she must show back up in court unless otherwise instructed.

So this is what I think. I think Juan has threatened to charge her with perjury and the Judge will be holding a hearing to decide if there is a basis for this, hence Alyce having to return to testify to clarify her statements.

[bermstalker]

Okay, how's this for a theory.....

Like everyone I've been racking my brain trying to figure out what is going with Alyce and testifying on Mon/Tue - After watching the Judge again in her instructions to Alyce at one point the Judge nearly says "the State" then changes her mind. So the I think the issue is one the State brought up and I don't think it has to do with her approaching Travis' family. I think it's a complaint aimed directly at the witness and something very serious which leaves her under subpoena, unusual as she's finished testifying as the end of juror questions clearly show, and having been told multiple times she must show back up in court unless otherwise instructed.

So this is what I think. I think Juan has threatened to charge her with perjury and the Judge will be holding a hearing to decide if there is a basis for this, hence Alyce having to return to testify to clarify her statements.

That's a good guess. My guess is that it has something to do with Alyce approaching Sam, or the HLN people.

Of course, it would be funny as hell if JM plans on calling Alyce as a rebuttal witness. Maybe JM knows Alyce wants to leave bad, and JM told the judge that as soon as the defense rest...he plans on calling Alyce. There were a few questions he tried to ask her-but Palin objected b/c they were beyond the scope of the jury questions. Maybe he wants to call her to ask her a few of those questions.

[I doubt it]

Okay, how's this for a theory.....

Like everyone I've been racking my brain trying to figure out what is going with Alyce and testifying on Mon/Tue - After watching the Judge again in her instructions to Alyce at one point the Judge nearly says "the State" then changes her mind. So the I think the issue is one the State brought up and I don't think it has to do with her approaching Travis' family. I think it's a complaint aimed directly at the witness and something very serious which leaves her under subpoena, unusual as she's finished testifying as the end of juror questions clearly show, and having been told multiple times she must show back up in court unless otherwise instructed.

So this is what I think. I think Juan has threatened to charge her with perjury and the Judge will be holding a hearing to decide if there is a basis for this, hence Alyce having to return to testify to clarify her statements.

I think it's some sort of hearing without the jury present. I only hope she's in a lot of trouble. IMO
If I was a taxpayer in Arizona, I wouldn't be happy paying for her so-called expert testimony. She was so biased, and besides lying, she was argumentative with the prosecutor. Contempt of court, really the comments she made to JM (are you angry with me) with her cheerleaders ready to laugh it up, qualify for it. She also asked for that break 5 min. before break time when she approached Samantha Alexander. She seemed to call for a lot of breaks when she was on the stand, it shows such arrogance. No wonder, Judge Stephens didn't want to hear any excuses.

[Sayub]

do your work! but when you take a break check this out.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWZmckn_j24 supposed girlfriend of Bobby after Jodi.

Not sure what you're looking for re Bobby Juarez but . . . you do know he's dead?

Two years later, Juarez murder remains unsolved

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2010/...ains-unsolved/

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Just read on justice4travis site that a poster named 'geebee2' is trying to change the Killing of Travis Alexander article on Wikipedia. It appears that she's extremely involved in JA defense & a major advocate & contributor to the JAII site. A few alterations she's suggesting:

- "She was miraculously spared after the assailants gun misfired which gave her time to flee the home, naked, but she did not make any attempts to get help for wounded Alexander."

- "Why is there no info or even a mention about Travis Alexander's parents being drug addicts?"

- "I suggest there should be some mention of the defence (sic) case. The article is current rather one-sided, with a long section "Discovery and investigation" but nothing almost nothing on the defence side of events.

- "I also suggest avoiding sources such as ABC News and CNN-HLN Network/Turner, who have a financial interest and are not neutral POV. Instead use associated press reports, or reports by the local reporter Michael Kiefer." (doesn't believe they're reliable news sources?)

Then Geebee2 writes that the site states JA pled guilty --- so she "changed that" & she suggests "that we change the article name to The State vs Jodi Arias".

Also found geebee2, author of http://jodi-arias.wikispaces.com/




ETA: this may be the same nutjob that that wrote she's been checking out all the forums & message boards, taking screenshots of negative JA comments & sending them to the FBI

[Sayub]

Alyce was already trying to do damage control when she said that she didn't know if she'd have a job to return to. Trying so so hard to garner sympathy from the jury before anything had gone down. Pitiful.

Alyce looking at the jury during sidebars

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lz_Yi9npnR...colded_dog.jpg

[dizzyp]

she is a PRO! she is experienced enough with slippery "blades" from 4" to 9"! mybe she had an OveGlov......

plus remember, during her interrogation she literally said 'If I Was Going To Ever Try To Kill Somebody, I Would Use Gloves'. I've always thought this is one of the nuggets of truth that is buried in her mountain of lies... gloves = no, or fewer, cuts.

[bermstalker]

The Hughes didn't like Jodi b/c she was strange and did strange things. I was reading all the transcripts of the police interviews over at WS, and found this.

06:35
JA: And I should have just known better and admitted it. I eventually learned how to argue with Travis and it?s...

06:39
DF: Talk to my wife. She?s like okay fine you?re right...

06:42
JA: Yeah. Eventually that?s what I began to do with him. It?s like the more I just agree with him the sooner the argument gets over and the sooner we can make up, and the make up was always great. Umm?but, umm?there were so many times I just couldn?t wrap my mind around what he? I could? but I would try to get him to do the same for me?like there was a time I broke down on the way to LA once when I was going to watch Chris Hughes do a training, umm and this was January, umm mid January maybe of 2007, and my car got a flat tire, so I had at the time roadside assistance cos my car was still under warranty, and they went to take the car in to change the tire and realized that when they sold me the car they didn?t give me the wheel lock key

07:20
DF: Oh man?

07:20
JA: for anti-theft wheel locks so? I had to get a hotel room, I had to get my car towed, it was a big nightmare ummm and I was kinda? hungry, it was dinnertime, it was 7:38 and it was dark cos it was January ummm?and the tow truck guy said you know there?s a Denny?s two blocks down here, and there?s a Jack in the Box there and he was driving me to the motel I said is there an IHop around, cos I really like IHop he?s like yeah but it?s like 5 miles back in the other direction. I was like uhhhh? okay. He says I can drive you there if you want. And I was like... he?s like this short Mexican guy and he seemed really harmless and I was like? ahhh okay and he, you know, I asked him about his life and he had a wife and kids and? so he wasn?t flirting? or he had girlfriend or something?

08:02
DF: he?s just trying to be nice to you

08:03
JA: Just being nice. And so I ended up telling, and he didn?t ever say anything inappropriate. And then he drove me and dropped me off and that was that. And umm?and I got to eat. And so I told that to Travis and he didn?t say anything at first but it got back to Sky and sky was like why didn?t you call me and then I think eventually that was used against me to establish a pattern that I do weird things like that.
So, umm that?s something we had arguments about a lot was umm he?s just like?

08:31
DF: So he was really upset with you about that. He felt a little jealous, but?

08:35
JA: And?I? I?He told me once that he was a little bit jealous when he found that I went on one of those dates but he said I know we?re not dating. And he?s like I guess I am a little bit jealous, but with these other incidents he says it just concerns him because he thought that I would get myself into a situation where I?d get hurt because I have that sort of attitude. And I was really? since I joined Prepaid I?ve really trying to break out of my bubble and do things that are a little uncomfortable as far as umm? ummm? talking to people and you know I made a resolution this year to overcome a few fears that I have that I?m really scared of?and I think that by getting into that a little that I can overcome some of that. Umm but his... he did act jealous, but he wouldn?t say he was jealous. He would just say he was concerned.

09:22
DF: But he would tell other people about it?

09:24
JA: What do you mean?

09:25
DF: Did he tell Sky Hughes?

09:26
JA: Oh, yeah, he? I guess it got? I may have told Sky about that.

09:30
DF: But they probably had a conversation with him and he probably voiced his opinion

09:33
JA: They had many conversations.

09:33
DF: ?on how he didn?t like it.

09:35
JA: I know that him and Sky had lot of fights and arguments and it was? and I was the root of that a lot of time, but I think, you know, all in all, they? especially more recently they got along a lot better. I think she gave him a really hard time about our relationship, so it?s one of the reasons he really wanted to keep it under wraps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=gglhBzgDly8
WS: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=203866

[I doubt it]

[QUOTE=Sayub;3389901]Not sure what you're looking for re Bobby Juarez but . . . you do know he's dead?

Two years later, Juarez murder remains unsolved

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2010/...ains-unsolved/

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Robert Juarez is a pretty common name. The one that was killed is not Jodi's Bobby. Check the photos.

[dizzyp]

Personally, I don't care if she gets LWOP or DP, whether she's happy or miserable...as long as she is locked away from society. She would do this again. No human being with half a heart or half a brain would do what she has done. She's a lethal, cunning predator and should be caged like the rabid animal she is.

The thought of JA getting love letters and (almost certainly) marriage proposals and gifts (maybe money) while sitting in jail with LWOP is almost enough to make me pro-death penalty

[dizzyp]

[QUOTE=Sayub;3389901 Not sure what you're looking for re Bobby Juarez but . . . you do know he's dead? QUOTE]

I know he's NOT dead... that story, is one of a few recklessly regurgitated @ The State vs Jodi Arias ~ Travis Alexander murder trial FB page... but, to their credit, they retracted it in Feb. of this year:

quote: February 28 at 7:47pm: "I've taken the Bobby Juarez post down. It appears he may not be Arias' ex (Bobby Juarez)"
link: https://www.facebook.com/Justice4Tra...36805213062293

and BTW it's not even that it "may not be Arias' ex" (Bobby Juarez) it's really: "a (possible) gang member in San Diego named Bobby Juarez was shot and killed and we just assumed, without doing due diligence, that it was Arias' ex, Bobby Juarez."

San Diego Bobby:
"On July 10, 2008, Robert Juarez (see photo) was shot and killed by a man who approached him on foot..."
link: http://www.utsandiego.com/photos/2010/jul/09/193763/

this is "San Diego Bobby Juarez"
Robert David "Bobby" Juarez
Born: 18 Apr 1980
Died: 10 Jul 2008


above: "San Diego Bobby Juarez"
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"Jodi's Bobby"
Robert Joseph "Bobby" Juarez born 12 Jul 1977 was living in Weed, Calif. (20 miles from Yreka) in 1996 when he met Jodi Arias, and was Matt McCartney's roommate in Medford Oregon (that's how Jodi met Matt, while visiting Bobby). The best evidence I've seen is that Bobby Juarez is living/hiding out on the island of Kauai, HI. but there is no doubt he is alive.

allegedly these are relatively recent photos of Jodi's Bobby Juarez



compared to older photos of Bobby Juarez with Jodi Arias



(look at the ear and eyebrows.. pretty compelling that's it's the same person)