Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[wasthinking]

HA HA, That's what I thought!

At the start of her testimony, Sherry is smiling like, "Hello there sweet, spinstery lady. Have a seat. Take a load off."

At the end Sherry was like "Are you talking to me?"

Loving your work wt! ty!

And YES! I saw the Willmutt flinch! I would too! But court seems to theatre in this trial! Wonder what JW really feels!

Alyce refused to even respect our basic court etiquettes. She roamed all over sometimes, got up off the witness stand before the Judge would give permission, wouldn't stand for the jury, would climb back up on the stand before the Judge giving permissions. It was awful how she repeatedly disrespected the most basic rules. I had to laugh Friday when finally the Judge had to tell her, "sit there". Then she was there for the duration like a time out corner for Alyce finally.

[wasthinking]

It reads she mostly testified with explanations of things, she did not testify for an actual person.

Yup, misrepresents a lot. Wonder how many of those 'reports' or depositions had the client saying WTH, we can't use this loony tune.
I'm so curious to see what's up for her with 'other issues' the judge was referring to.

[Jadedmile]

Thank you; finally, someone in their right mind, lol ;)

[loonywop]

AL said to Willnott that she hopes she has a practice after this.She knew in the beginning she was in for it.

[Freethinker]

Yup, misrepresents a lot. Wonder how many of those 'reports' or depositions had the client saying WTH, we can't use this loony tune.
I'm so curious to see what's up for her with 'other issues' the judge was referring to.

Her issue was she wanted Monday for some medical test. She wanted Tuesday in case she needed to go back. I got thinking, maybe she told the judge she had planned to return home and that got messed up by having to stay.

[Morticia]

Her issue was she wanted Monday for some medical test. She wanted Tuesday in case she needed to go back. I got thinking, maybe she told the judge she had planned to return home and that got messed up by having to stay.

Lava messed all right.

[wasthinking]

Thank you; finally, someone in their right mind, lol ;)

Appears a few right minds are running from Alyce like the plaque with previous associations and orgs that showed her in some connection have suddenly changed their internet listings. You never know how these outcries will go, but apparently this one was loud and clear. I'm thinking it isn't all public pressure, but some may have watch her devastingly poor performance when she can't have her fairytales for backup.

Her issue was she wanted Monday for some medical test. She wanted Tuesday in case she needed to go back. I got thinking, maybe she told the judge she had planned to return home and that got messed up by having to stay.

Exactly! I caught that too, she was already padding with something that wasn't even to be yet trying to get out of the state like a robber on the run. And again, Alyce is too self absorbed and ignorant to wait for the jury to leave the room! She's been there days and days and couldn't catch on that you wait for the jury to leave. "your honor your honor' omg unreal, she's pulled that one several times too. DUH the Judge is busy at the moment, not available for your whining. Then the Judge tells her she is aware AL has some 'issues' but noooooooooo, AL can't get the drift, can't follow the point of what the judge needs to do, and goes on rambling w me me me personal crap in court under a mic.

[Freethinker]

Her issue was she wanted Monday for some medical test. She wanted Tuesday in case she needed to go back. I got thinking, maybe she told the judge she had planned to return home and that got messed up by having to stay.

Or, are you referring to the other-other issues? It might have something to do with the Samantha thing, perhaps something about her rebellion on the stand. Whatever it is, ALV is aware of and likely nervous about it. She knows generally what it's about.
I'm not holding my breath that it will be televised.

[Angiebla]

I don't know scores, but I'd guess it to be very much higher. Even if someone said it was 75, that wouldn't fly in court without a retest. The only way I'd see her with a score that low would be if she's a poor test taker. I've known people like that.

Jodi's IQ is not 75. That is barely above retarded.

She is at least of average intelligence, and I would guess she would probably score as at least slightly above average.

Thank you for your responses. I had a feeling it wasn't true. I feel kinda dumb now for even giving it a second thought.

[wasthinking]

I have not heard back yet for WT, but let me know when you want to go so I can arrange it with work. I'm thinking another afternoon session, very hard to get both as we witnessed. What are your thoughts?

hi faq, I posted the dates back to you, maybe you missed them.

LOW - List Of Witnesses/Exhibit/Evidence

3/26/2013 15th This should be Robert Browning the computer guy
3/8/2013 14th This should be Walmart and the gas station Teroso

1/15/2013 SUPPLEMENTAL NOTICE OF TRIAL PHASE WITNESSES
11/9/2012 FOR A GOOD FAITH LIST OF WITNESSES THE STATE INTENDS TO CALL
10/18/2012 13th
12/7/2011
8/4/2011 10th
6/14/2011 8th
5/23/2011 6th
11/24/2009 3rd

[Wishmich]

Appears a few right minds are running from Alyce like the plaque with previous associations and orgs that showed her in some connection have suddenly changed their internet listings. You never know how these outcries will go, but apparently this one was loud and clear. I'm thinking it isn't all public pressure, but some may have watch her devastingly poor performance when she can't have her fairytales for backup.


Exactly! I caught that too, she was already padding with something that wasn't even to be yet trying to get out of the state like a robber on the run. And again, Alyce is too self absorbed and ignorant to wait for the jury to leave the room! She's been there days and days and couldn't catch on that you wait for the jury to leave. "your honor your honor' omg unreal, she's pulled that one several times too. DUH the Judge is busy at the moment, not available for your whining. Then the Judge tells her she is aware AL has some 'issues' but noooooooooo, AL can't get the drift, can't follow the point of what the judge needs to do, and goes on rambling w me me me personal crap in court under a mic.

I believe that Alyce fell into her own trap. She believed she was a "star" witness and behaved like a diva. She got a quick smackdown, rightfully so.

[Morticia]

I believe that Alyce fell into her own trap. She believed she was a "star" witness and behaved like a diva. She got a quick smackdown, rightfully so.

Alyce was already trying to do damage control when she said that she didn't know if she'd have a job to return to. Trying so so hard to garner sympathy from the jury before anything had gone down. Pitiful.

[*crickets*]

While I agree is is extremely unlikely, I do not think it is technically impossible.

If the entire jury bought the whole story the DT is offering and agreed that Travis was threatening Jodi's life, so she shot him in self defense, and that she snapped when he continued to threaten her life by coming after her screaming "kill you bitch", and due to the repeated domestic violence combined with the PTSD she suffered after shooting Travis she slipped into a "fog" and stabbed him 28 times and slit his throat while in that fog... if the jury believes that, then they could acquit her. I do not think this will be the case, but it is not impossible.

Except the ME testified that the gunshot to the head would have been "immediately incapacitating". Also the bullet trajectory, the closet shelf that would have collapsed under her weight as she reached for the gun AND the timeline of the photos all demonstrate that Jodi's 'story' could not have happened.

[brumby]

Jury question to Alyce: Do you think Jodi could have exaggerated to help her case?
Answer: Um she could have, but I actually find she was a person who didn't feel that the abuse was all that bad, and it took me a while before I could convince her that she needed to embellish her story to make it believable.

Question: Do you think Jodi's friends and family could have embellished in an effort to help her?
Answer: I, I guess except friends and family didn't seem to think there was any abuse either.

[Freethinker]

hi faq, I posted the dates back to you, maybe you missed them.

LOW - List Of Witnesses/Exhibit/Evidence

3/26/2013 15th This should be Robert Browning the computer guy
3/8/2013 14th This should be Walmart and the gas station Teroso

1/15/2013 SUPPLEMENTAL NOTICE OF TRIAL PHASE WITNESSES
11/9/2012 FOR A GOOD FAITH LIST OF WITNESSES THE STATE INTENDS TO CALL
10/18/2012 13th
12/7/2011
8/4/2011 10th
6/14/2011 8th
5/23/2011 6th
11/24/2009 3rd

Is it me? what kind of a list is this?

[hatchan]

re Bobby Juarez: is that 10 Dec 1977 or 12 Oct 1977?


That is Robert A Juarez, Pico Rivera, CA.

the best match I have found is this:

Name: Joseph Robert Juarez (1st names reversed)
Birth: 5 Jul 1978 - San Joaquin, California

but I haven't found a current listing for him. still researching.

btw: There's a woman in Hawaii that claims she was his girlfriend and that he abused her...
she has a photo of them together (he was an extra on the TV show "Lost" filmed in Hawaii) here's her YouTube page: http://www.youtube.com/user/missunbounded?feature=watch

I think one reason Bobby is "off the radar" and info is so hard to find, is that he may not have papers. I re-watched Jodi's first day on the stand and she talks about the fact that he didn't have and couldn't get a birth certificate. His "parents/grandparents" raised him and she mentioned that he was "adopted". The only free info I can dig up says he has lived in: Honolulu, HI
Medford, OR
Yreka, CA
Kapaa, HI

his age is listed as 35 so think he wll be 36 by years' end. idk...just some thoughts......

[BreachofTrust]

Alyce refused to even respect our basic court etiquettes. She roamed all over sometimes, got up off the witness stand before the Judge would give permission, wouldn't stand for the jury, would climb back up on the stand before the Judge giving permissions. It was awful how she repeatedly disrespected the most basic rules. I had to laugh Friday when finally the Judge had to tell her, "sit there". Then she was there for the duration like a time out corner for Alyce finally.

Agreed! For someone who supposedly has courtroom experience she certainly acted as if she not only had never been in a courtroom, but never even seen an episode of Perry Mason*!

A cross examination means you are supposed to answer the questions before you only. No anecdotes, no but, buts...just answer the dang question!

Her desire to not be "controlled" or "abused" by that meanie MALE prosecutor overrid her judgment. This is a murder trial where a life is at stake, which seemed of secondary importance to her.

*Example reflects old fashioned tv law drama just for ALV.

[*crickets*]

re Bobby Juarez: is that 10 Dec 1977 or 12 Oct 1977?


That is Robert A Juarez, Pico Rivera, CA.

the best match I have found is this:

Name: Joseph Robert Juarez (1st names reversed)
Birth: 5 Jul 1978 - San Joaquin, California

but I haven't found a current listing for him. still researching.

btw: There's a woman in Hawaii that claims she was his girlfriend and that he abused her...
she has a photo of them together (he was an extra on the TV show "Lost" filmed in Hawaii) here's her YouTube page: http://www.youtube.com/user/missunbounded?feature=watch

I'll get on it, dizzyp. I have an ancestry.com account. Says the mother's maiden name is Napier.



Name: Joseph Robert Juarez
Birth: 5 Jul 1978 - San Joaquin, California

Name: Robert Joseph Juarez
Birth: 16 Apr 1983 - Kern, California

These are two results I came up with off the bat, but I will keep looking. :]

Joseph Robert's mothers maiden name is Napier.
Robert Joseph Juarez's mothers maiden name is Rocha.

Why are you guys internet stalking Bobby Juarez? Seriously, he was Jodi's BF when she was 17, so what? Why are you so determined to track the guy down?

[Amber Langley]

Travis' family can't file a civil lawsuit, they would have had to have filed it within 2 years of his death unless they can somehow file somewhere besides AZ. I am not sure what the laws are in other states.

[brumby]

Question: Is it possible that the survivor is the perpetrator?
Answer: It's very possible for somebody to lash back (aka 'violent resistance') so that when somebody has been a victim of DV they might yell back, or hit back and that would be the more usual form that I would see, but I've never seen anyone fight back with a weapon. Which is why on the day Travis was murdered he may have very well lashed out at Jodi (violent resistance) but as it's usually only the perpetrators that have the weapons, he was obviously unarmed and didn't stand a chance.

Question: We have seen and heard that Jodi has kicked her mother, slapped her mother and shown anger at her mother, would this characterise Jodi as an abuser?
Answer: Although this would be considered parental abuse and punishable by law I think that Jodi probably had a good reason to do what she did, like when she was grounded.

[dizzyp]

I think one reason Bobby is "off the radar" and info is so hard to find, is that he may not have papers. I re-watched Jodi's first day on the stand and she talks about the fact that he didn't have and couldn't get a birth certificate. His "parents/grandparents" raised him and she mentioned that he was "adopted". The only free info I can dig up says he has lived in: Honolulu, HI
Medford, OR
Yreka, CA
Kapaa, HI

his age is listed as 35 so think he wll be 36 by years' end. idk...just some thoughts......

you are right on the money a couple of us have been researching this and have is DOB for Bobby. (12 Jul 1977) all of the addresses or PO Boxes in Medford, Yreka, CA Kapaa, HI (Kauai) and Oahu. Also the house in Medford that Bobby Juarez and Matt McCartney shared. My personal hunch is that Bobby is laying low in Hawaii.

[brumby]

Has it been determined whether or not Jodi's ex-boyfriend Bobby Jaurez and the Bobby Juarez that was murdered just days after Travis was one and the same or different?

[dizzyp]

I think one reason Bobby is "off the radar" and info is so hard to find, is that he may not have papers. I re-watched Jodi's first day on the stand and she talks about the fact that he didn't have and couldn't get a birth certificate. His "parents/grandparents" raised him and she mentioned that he was "adopted". The only free info I can dig up says he has lived in: Honolulu, HI
Medford, OR
Yreka, CA
Kapaa, HI

his age is listed as 35 so think he wll be 36 by years' end. idk...just some thoughts......

and you are right... his paper trail is very difficult to follow... Robert Jospeh "Bobby" Juarez is his adopted name and we still don't have a birth name. But we have verified him living in all the places you mentioned.

[AgathaAppleswine]

Yay! Somebody quoted me! Lol

I get that Martinez had to discredit Alyce, but on his rebuttal and closing arguments, it's time to focus on the facts and drill it in the jurors' heads the premeditation. The jury has heard so much testimony at this point, I fear the premeditation facts in this case are all but forgotten.

I really hope that his strategy is to focus on the facts and forget about all the other BS the defense is throwing against the wall. He shouldn't be falling for their trap!

Whenever people say this about JM, I am always surprised, and curious, as to what he should have done.

He focused on the facts in the case in chief.

When the defense is putting on their case, he HAD to challenge what they said. His goal is not necessarily to prove the rest of his case at this point. His goal is to make sure that the defense has nothing to stand on, and to challenge and disprove all their theories.

Now that the rebuttal case is coming up, unless you have been paying absolutely no attention, you would see that Walmart and Tesero (or whatevers) are on the witness list. This clearly shows that he is going to focus on the premeditation of his case.

So, would anyone mind telling me what Juan is supposed to do during the defense case that he hasn't done? Because I'm a tad confused....

[hatchan]

Why are you guys internet stalking Bobby Juarez? Seriously, he was Jodi's BF when she was 17, so what? Why are you so determined to track the guy down?

it is curious that he hasn't been called or even listed (as far as I know). Her relationship with him is the longest intimate
"relationship" (albeit on and off) she has been able to sustain. He may very well have info regarding jealousy and manipulation issues.

p.s. If you don't have citizenship, can you be compelled to testify?