Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[lisam2013]

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[AnnieBelle]

If it was a cut tendon, how in the hell did she stop the bleeding w/o stitches? I think it was a cut that caused the injury-I'm just wondering how she got the bleeding to stop.

She probably wrapped something around it. With pressure on it, it wouldn't necessarily bleed extensively.

[wasthinking]

If it's a real injury at all. She might just be able to dislocate it. Which makes me wonder if she really didn't break it at all, but simply dislocated it, and reset it incorrectly. I did that to my knee, and it's uh...sort of turned the wrong direction. Whooops.

JM and Flores wanted to buy it is legit, why not it helped their case. But I could see her double jointed too and faking it all. For a true injury from any event, it fluctuates to much, totaly inconsistant from one minute to the next is what stands out most to me. I caught her practicing one day! lmao

[ShellJett]

The other reasons I dont believe it is someone would have noticed at work. As a server or bartender, you can't go to work with a makeshift splint. Too many germs.

Plus its impossible to find popsicle sticks any more. Gotta buy them at a craft store.

Suprised Jodi didn't say they had to eat the popsicles from the freezer really fast so Travis could make the splint. It's just all getting to be too outlandish with the finger. Couldn't believe ALV heard another version. What are we up to now 7 stories from her? Then, in another part of her testimony ALV states as fact that TA broke her finger in DV altercation. WTF?

[*crickets*]

You missed the point.

NEUTRAL = Not aligned with either side.
IMPARTIAL = Not Biased towards any side.

Jury's role = Pick the winner under the rules.

I don't think so. You said, "The judge is the only neutral person in the room".

Definition of neutrality: the state or position of being impartial or not allied with or committed to either party or viewpoint in a conflict. This is what the jurors are supposed and expected to be.

[wasthinking]

[*crickets*]

If it's a real injury at all. She might just be able to dislocate it. Which makes me wonder if she really didn't break it at all, but simply dislocated it, and reset it incorrectly. I did that to my knee, and it's uh...sort of turned the wrong direction. Whooops.

She has Gollum fingers.

[wasthinking]

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. If she knows they filed a motion of intent to use her during the mitigation phase, she might not be finished yet and they could call her back at any time. I guess either they told her (or she figures) that it is still a few weeks away & needs a break. Can't say I blame her. I wonder how the DV accusation comes into play during the mitigation phase.

I saw the DR one too. I also see that the DT have been trying to get rid of jurors since before the trial started,lol:

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov...2/m5564026.pdf

There was also another one I saw where JA wanted a spanish translator for a juror.

Somewhere along the way, I want to say I remember reading that if she is found quilty [jury doesn't believe abuse] then it couldn't be an issue for mitigation. I might be remembering it wrong in the mix of so much so don't hold me to that. If I find it again, I'll post it.

[hatchan]

So, you've appointed yourselves deputies for Juan Martinez, and you're going to track him down and present him to Juan? Or just for the hell of it? Or what, exactly? I don't see what you're trying to do here.

Also, flees?

What does any of this have to do with stalking the guy online? Posting his birthdate, mother's maiden name, everywhere he might have lived, etc. etc.?

okay, as you are "crickets" I can see that maybe you find it offensive that I mention flees!. I meant no disrespect. "dogs have souls too" (according to Jodi) so by extension, I should give flees the same deference and respect.
so solly! my bad. I apologize to any and all insects.

ps: the violin icon was a close as I could come to crickets rubbing (their heals?????) idk........

[lisam2013]

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[Angiebla]

The cut doesn't have to be deep to knick the tendon. A bandaid would do. To me it is the only way she left blood at the scene. It would have hurt like a bitch though. And probably continued to hurt as the joint froze. Course, none of this was anywhere near to what Travis suffered.

She probably wrapped something around it. With pressure on it, it wouldn't necessarily bleed extensively.

Thanks I did not know that. When I first started taking an interest in this case, I saw the post mortem pics of Travis and thought-wow the person who did this to him had to have cut themselves somewhat badly considering the knife used was a large one and the blood must have made it slippery.

[AgathaAppleswine]

JM and Flores wanted to buy it is legit, why not it helped their case. But I could see her double jointed too and faking it all. For a true injury from any event, it fluctuates to much, totaly inconsistant from one minute to the next is what stands out most to me. I caught her practicing one day! lmao

Yeah, my knee improved a little with PT, but when I stretch my legs out, I can clearly see the one knee is turned slightly. My lower leg doesn't align properly either. It's really freaky.

Jodi's finger has been straight several times, which I don't think would be a tendon injury, right? If a tendon is damaged, wouldn't it be nearly impossible to make it straight?

I believe she cut herself the day she killed Travis. I think she jacked her finger up sometime later, and decided it would be an excellent 'example' of abuse.

[lisam2013]

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[ShellJett]

The cut doesn't have to be deep to knick the tendon. A bandaid would do. To me it is the only way she left blood at the scene. It would have hurt like a bitch though. And probably continued to hurt as the joint froze. Course, none of this was anywhere near to what Travis suffered.

During Stabby's interrogation Flores commented on the scar and her finger. Didn't she say it happened during Ninja attack?

[dizzyp]

Quote Originally Posted by *crickets* View Post
Rebut anal! You said rebut anal! HeeHee...ANAL ANAL ANAL!

I know I did and I was lmao writing it.

that's redundant :)

[Tia111]

Then you must not be listening closely. She has said it many times. Do you really think someone with her obvious visibility in the domestic violence therapeutic community, her credentials would lie about her therapeutic experience? Why do you think the Arias defense team chose her? She councils both men and women...abusers and the abused.

Come on AngieBla, if you dont here it like this broken record wants you to you werent listening. You must change YOUR opinion to match hers....NOT

[hatchan]

Conspiracy Alert

thanks sneaks! I got drawn in last night......sorry to all,

[Tia111]

Yes, she testified to counseling abused males more than once.....listen to her past testimony again.

It was also her testimony that she testified on behalf of 1 or 2 men in criminal court and that wasnt true either...

[hatchan]

Right! I don't want to sound the least bit critical of people's views on the tactics of the attorneys. However, it seems that in recent times more and more people are losing their understanding of the basic principles involved. The system is adversarial. That is, there are two sides, and the rules of the institution, evolved over centuries, demands that each of the two parties vigorously attack the other's presentation in order for the system to discern the truth and find Justice. The judge interprets and enforces the rules. She is the only neutral person in the room. The jury decides on the facts. As between the Prosecution and the Defense, they are not engaged in a co-operative venture. They are supposed to vigorously oppose each other. The process may be messy, we may not like the opponents, and it may well be the worst system we know of--except for all the others.

Ian, you are so WISE!
why, oh why, am I so weak to respond to skunks? ok, I am a black cat and peppy la pue marked me with a white stripe....

[wasthinking]

I thought about that too. I don't think you even need to be double jointed to do it- I can do it. I laughed when I saw the youtube video "Jodi Arias: Never Before Seen Testimony" where the actress does it. It's at the ~2:40 mark (the video is a little NSFW):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=UTUL6P6mQAg

I saw that video before and roared, she switches hands to do it too, it was so funny.

Yeah, my knee improved a little with PT, but when I stretch my legs out, I can clearly see the one knee is turned slightly. My lower leg doesn't align properly either. It's really freaky.

Jodi's finger has been straight several times, which I don't think would be a tendon injury, right? If a tendon is damaged, wouldn't it be nearly impossible to make it straight?

I believe she cut herself the day she killed Travis. I think she jacked her finger up sometime later, and decided it would be an excellent 'example' of abuse.

Depends, it is possible with time and excercises to stretch the tendon back out bring something like that back. This took someone I know years to do but their finger did become 'normal' again. It would ache and stiffen some when like putting her hands in cold water but for the most part, corrected in use and appearance.

Thanks. Maybe that's why ALV thinks she done? lol

This is what's in Wendi's appeal case from the supreme court

?70 Although Andriano presented some evidence that she was
a domestic violence victim, we assign little weight to this
mitigating circumstance, in part because it is not related to
the murder. See Roque, 213 Ariz. at 231, ? 169, 141 P.3d at 406
(?[T]he relationship between mitigating evidence and the murder
may affect the weight given to the mitigating evidence.?)
(citation omitted); State v. Newell, 212 Ariz. 389, 405, ? 82,
132 P.3d 833, 849, cert. denied, 127 S. Ct. 663 (2006). The
evidence established that Andriano did not kill Joe while
defending against a domestic violence attack. Instead, she
poisoned her terminally ill husband, struck him in the back of
the head twenty-three times, and slit his throat. Joe posed no
threat to Andriano at the time of the attack because he was so
weak from the poison and chemotherapy that he could not get up.

[ShellJett]

Interesting! I wonder if that was changed later or if they still plan on calling her after the verdict.

I believe ALV was supposed to be for mitigation but now Disco Donna is mitigation specialist. If jury finds her guilty, ALV won't be any part of mitigation. Guilty verdict means ALV did not convince them of DV. I am stumped as to why she was listed for mitigation in the first place.

[Tia111]

Originally Posted by VioletPlanet View Post
Then you must not be listening closely.






are we 100% sure that's not Alyce La ViolettePlanet??

I am .0000016% sure

[gigiann]

Is Jodi double jointed?

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...or_kCoMvAW0H2Q

[hatchan]

I too lean toward a cut tendon, but with some pause. She had her fingerprints taken on June 13. Don't you find it curious that this bad cut wasn't noticed by police just 9 days after if it was bad enough to cut a tendon. Or that she only received one cut in such a bruttal frenzy? Most chilling to me is her latest words about it from AL, she cut it on an apple ....... Adams apple! Typical style of JA to play on words.

you give Jodi way too much credit!!!

[wasthinking]

I thought about that too. I don't think you even need to be double jointed to do it- I can do it. I laughed when I saw the youtube video "Jodi Arias: Never Before Seen Testimony" where the actress does it. It's at the ~2:40 mark (the video is a little NSFW):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=UTUL6P6mQAg

I believe ALV was supposed to be for mitigation but now Disco Donna is mitigation specialist. If jury finds her guilty, ALV won't be any part of mitigation. Guilty verdict means ALV did not convince them of DV. I am stumped as to why she was listed for mitigation in the first place.

It's two different roles. Alyce would of only been a witness for mitigation, not the required case team member in the role of mitigation specialist. In DP cases a Mit Spec is required, a witness would not be 'required'. If they bring AL back their crazy and I bet they know that.


ABA
Guideline 10.4 (C)(2)(a). In fact, the ABA Guidelines require every
criminal defense team facing a capital punishment sentence have at the
minimum two attorneys, a private investigator, and a mitigation specialist.