Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[Freethinker]

I was disappointed with the so called reenactments. That bathroom they built was not what our previous diagrams were. Maybe I had the wrong images in my head, but where was the sinks etc. to the left of the shower. I can get confused, I admit, but I got confused with their bathroom layout.I had different images in my head.
Does anyone have the original diagram they would repost here?

[I doubt it]

It just occured to me, the roomie saw the gate up. During the next few days, was it kept there? There are stories that dogs sometimes gave alerts to people that something was wrong with their owners. There is no mention that the dog acted any different than normal. The dog was in the house during the killing, didn't he react in any way to alert someone about anything?

I wonder about that too. I think one of the roomies put the gate up, because Napoleon was bothering them upstairs. He's a little dog, a pug, I don't know anything about them. My dog, a shih tzu, would be demanding something to eat. The breed was created to be pampered, nothing like the hunting or herding breeds.

[M Joy]

WTF. I'm re-watching yesterday's trial on In-Session. I swear I just saw Jodi slip a notebook off the table and she appeared to move to slip it under herself.
Does she not realize there is a camera on her at all times?

[M Joy]

enriqe said in the report he last saw Travis on wednesday morning before work.It could not have been Thursday sorry Travis was unavailable.When he got home everthing was normal .When he got up for work everything was normal it was on Thursday night is when he came home to a locked door and the dog fence moved in front of the stairs which he felt was odd.Doors were always unlocked and the dog fence was in the wrong ploace.For this to happen she must have left Thursday morning after Enrique went to work.Who else would have moved the fence and locked the door? Jodi was....she didn't leave until the following morning.She was late to Ryan's house.......

If that is the case, how did she call Travis' phone from between Kingman, AZ and the NV border at 11:58 PM?

[I doubt it]

I was disappointed with the so called reenactments. That bathroom they built was not what our previous diagrams were. Maybe I had the wrong images in my head, but where was the sinks etc. to the left of the shower. I can get confused, I admit, but I got confused with their bathroom layout.I had different images in my head.
Does anyone have the original diagram they would repost here?

They descibe all the photos and the layout of the house in the second half of this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUFBQ...B69EB&index=52

[NCBlonde]

Here's the HLN re-enactment for those who haven't seen it or want to re-watch.

I was disappointed with the so called reenactments. That bathroom they built was not what our previous diagrams were. Maybe I had the wrong images in my head, but where was the sinks etc. to the left of the shower. I can get confused, I admit, but I got confused with their bathroom layout.I had different images in my head.
Does anyone have the original diagram they would repost here?

Best I could find right now.

[marshmallow]

so now Jose Baez is doing reenactments. that's scraping the barrel.

[I doubt it]

Nurmi was working for the public defenders office. The average salary there is $47,000-$67,000 per year.

That's quite a big difference. He JUST opened his own office in the middle of defending Jodi, wanted to quit so he could pursue it (not very ethical or professional.) If I recall correctly, he was offered a lower hourly rate to stay on the case and he turned it down and demanded more. Jodi had already lost one attorney so the state gave into Nurmi to keep him on the case.

(I think he KNEW he could do this and that was his plan all along. He is now getting paid almost 10 times what he was getting paid to do the same exact job. This is ludicrous.)

His new law firm defends people being accused of sexual crimes. There is no way he would gross nearly half a million dollars a year the first year in a new practice (and most likely would never gross that much.) He is taking the state for a ride and laughing all the way to he bank.

ETA: http://www.indeed.com/salary/q-Attor...ounty,-AZ.html
Average attorney salary for Maricopa county is $59,000 per year.
According to this site the average deputy district attorney salary is only $66,000 per year.

I know some attorneys make much more. But, those are usually not those practicing criminal law...and most definitely not those working for the state.

ETA (again): I did some more searching. The highest salary I could find for a district attorney was $148,843. HUGE difference from what Nurmi is raking in. Poor Martinez. This has got to be so insulting knowing Nurmi is making 10 times what he should be making to defend the likes of Jodi.

I don't think he's getting 40 hours. He's in court about 24 hours a week. Plus he's working on his practice. I just can't see any government paying that much more than they would pay their regular salaried worker - hourly workers punch a time clock. He probably doesn't get paid for those 2 hour lunches, that leaves 16 hours.

[NCBlonde]

so now Jose Baez is doing reenactments. that's scraping the barrel.

Oh better than that, he was actually playing defense attorney and defending Jodi on the show.






Okay, here's the actual 2 photos put together. Looks like it's from WasThinking.

[Key West Digger]

so now Jose Baez is doing reenactments. that's scraping the barrel.

Fast cash and a stepping stone towards "expert witness" status.

[AgathaAppleswine]

Yeah but what i don't get is then why would the defense come up with a shoot first theory if this evidence was so conclusive. All you'd have to do is go, "bam this proves he was shot last and it's conclusive"


What i am asking is, is it possible he was shot first?

It is possible, but I don't think it's likely. I'm not sure Travis would have been able to put up the struggle that he did if he had been shot in the head first. Because of the way we can guess the bullet went (the brain was too decomposed to do a proper analysis of the wound track), it either bounced around his head and then traveled from right to left, where it lodged right by his left jaw, or it went straight down from the right eyebrow and into his left jaw.

I don't know how he wouldn't just be rolling around on the floor, screaming and weeping with either one of those options -- and those are the only two options. I cannot imagine that even a small round like that wouldn't cause significant pain, and I'm sure that the pain, along with potential loss of some brain function wouldn't also result in diminished or even total loss of consciousness within a few seconds.

Diminshed consciousness or loss of consciousness means that the struggle wouldn't be so fierce. And therefore, he likely wouldn't have as many (or any), or as deep of defensive wounds as he does.

To answer your first question, I believe the defense built their story around Det. Flores's mistaken idea about the gun shot coming first. Jodi latched onto that in order to say she shot Travis in self-defense, but now that Det. Flores is corrected, it just makes her look even more like a liar.

[Jem]

Is that Jose Baez? I really want to kick his ass. Ugh, what is he even doing on there? Doesn't he have a murderer to defend or something?

[Freethinker]

Oh better than that, he was actually playing defense attorney and defending Jodi on the show.






Okay, here's the actual 2 photos put together. Looks like it's from WasThinking.

Thanks to each who took the time to reply. For some reason I had the sinks on the same wall as the shower, duh.

[queenaevadamthng]

[QUOTING NCBLONDE: Baez -- among others -- theorized that it got kicked around and landed in the puddle during his imagined struggle. That doesn't wash though, because the bullet only had blood on one side, the underneath side. If there was blood all over the floor and the bullet got kicked through the blood, it's very unlikely that the bullet got no blood at all on it, until it landed in the puddle.*]

If that were the case it would have had more of a rolling motion I would think. Wasn't there an expert that testified that there was no sign of the casing rolling through the puddle?

[jingles]

Juan Martinez is very likeable - like a Prosecutor version of Columbo - although well dressed. His delivery can be a little unusual at times and he has certainly fooled a few so-called TV experts into thinking he takes unusual routes. He also gives the appearance of being a little old-fashioned in a few areas but it is all a ruse. He is gentlemanly and considerate of the victims. I find him endearing and caring. He is a joy to watch. I so hope he wins justice for Travis Alexander, his family and friends.

Perfectly said, and I couldn't agree more!

[queenaevadamthng]

[ M Joy*said:Today*08:35 AMWTF. I'm re-watching yesterday's trial on In-Session. I swear I just saw Jodi slip a notebook off the table and she appeared to move to slip it under herself.*Does she not realize there is a camera on her at all times?"What is hard to explain about a person breathing or not breathing?" - J. Martinez*]

I swear JA and her mother act like they are attending a high school assembly. They both make me sick.

[ChelseyDawn]

[queenaevadamthng]

[marshmallow*said:Today*08:50 AMso now Jose Baez is doing reenactments. that's scraping the barrel.]

He needs another cash cow. No pun intended. Too bad the saying isn't cash pig that would be more applicable

[Crystalette247]

Is it just me or did JM totally own the doctor from angles the defense was not even expecting? He basically said.. your tests are bullshit, you crossed the line of assessment, and you don't have an MD at the end of your name. haha

It was very exciting listening to him pick apart the supposed tests done by the psychologist. What was even funnier was the fact that when he answered honestly it pretty much demolished anything he had done to help jodi's case. The more honest he was, the worse she looked.

[M Joy]

Is it just me or did JM totally own the doctor from angles the defense was not even expecting? He basically said.. your tests are bullshit, you crossed the line of assessment, and you don't have an MD at the end of your name. haha

It was very exciting listening to him pick apart the supposed tests done by the psychologist. What was even funnier was the fact that when he answered honestly it pretty much demolished anything he had done to help jodi's case. The more honest he was, the worse she looked.

The PTSD test that was done while Jodi was still sticking with the ninja story was HUGE. You would honestly think that the defense would have caught that, at least in anticipation of what JM might do. But no - it was apparently a non-issue to the defense team.

Every time I think "Jodi is so done", something else comes out that seems to seal her fate even more!

[Kdon]

I can't get that Dido song outta my head. Of course she had to practice her singing in the interrogation because she was getting ready to win prison idol

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Any ideas what will be on the tape that Flores is bringing to court tomorrow??? I bet it's good!

It had something to do with an interview he did last Thursday. A witness? I don't think it had anything to do with Dodgy Dick Samuels.

You're right but that also makes it so bizarre. Why didn't she leave ALL the evidence there or why didn't she clean EVERYTHING up. I don't get it.... Trying to clean part of it up and leaving all that blood, handprint, hair etc...

She didn't have time. She had to get out of there before the room mates came home. She was in a panic and didn't realize she had left the hand print.

It drives me wild that there are people out there in the world who absolutely need to be able to claim self-defence. That there are people who are seriously battered, physically and emotionally. That there are people who are truly raped, and who are damaged for a lifetime from that.

And then to have her try to claim it and make it her own because she got caught up in all her lies....

Yeah, it makes me angry.

Not to mention all of our service men and women returning from war who have to fight for a diagnoses of PTSD and have to fight to get their benefits and medical treatment!

I have Casey Anthony PTSD along with most of the posters here, I'm sure. .

I do too. It is a different case, different jury though. I think the CA trial would have gone a different way had there been physical evidence, finger prints on the tape, and if she actually got on the stand. .

There WAS physical evidence in the Anthony case. The smell of decomp in the car, the trash bag with adipocere on a piece of paper towel, the chloroform levels in the car, the laundry bag that was found with Caylee that came from the Anthony house, the duct tape that was found wrapped around her little face that came from the Anthony house. Casey Anthony lucked out with a lazy jury. She had a jury that was sequestered and wanted OUT so they could celebrate the 4th of July weekend. That jury did not do their job.I'm sooo tired of some people making excuses for the Pinellas twelve!

The neck wound bothers me the most.....I cannot imagine how someone is capable of inflicting such a horrendous wound on another person. I could not do that to an animal, much less a human being. This was someone that she was intimate with, only hours before she did this? For me, this is what convinces me beyond any doubt of her guilt of 1st degree murder. How can she sit there, existing in her own skin?

QUOTE=Brillig;3359688]Not only was she intimate with him only hours before, but while they were being intimate, she knew she planned to kill him.[/QUOTE]

The neck wound is a sign of her rage. She must have been so enraged that it wasn't going according to her plan of trapping him in the shower and having all the evidence of her being there go down the shower drain.

Love it!

When Jodi complains about the sex I just shake my head. We all know that she loved feeling like she had some sort of control over him because of it. She was so manipulative and just wanted him to love her. She knew he was pulling away and that the sex wasn't gonna work anymore and she was loosing control. I think she went there thinking she could just have sex with him and weave him back into her web and when that doesn't work and she finds out he's still going to Mexico that was it.... Game over!

She went there to kill him. I don't believe she was offering him any choice at all. In her mind TA was going live happily ever after with Mimi Hall. After all of the time she had invested in trying to become Mrs Alexander and wanting the nice house, the trips, etc. She was not happy about going back to Yreka and her drab little life of skipping from waitressing job to waitressing job, getting by on minimum wage and tips. Living in that dingy little house of her Grandparents.

And it looks like Dido made 2 videos for the song. This one is a lot more creepy!

Hiding in the closet just like Stabby used to do. Holy hell, Juan should put that in front of the jury along with her singing that song in the interview room after her arrest.

also, i though she ran in the nearest closet door and claims Travis was entering the other door so she ran back out the door she had entered and back to the shower area. because she couldn't say she shot him there in the closet where it would make more sense, because she was fitting her story to the forensics, ie. no blood in the closet.

No, she claims she ran the hallway and entered the closet through the door in the bedroom and then back out the door that exits into the bathroom. Her story makes no sense either way. She says he was standing by her shins after he "body slammed her". If he was enraged as she claims no way she makes it by him to get to either hallway or the door entering the closet from the bathroom.

Im not as into this case as all of you so i missed this.


How do they know for certain she shot him last?

I think she stabbed him to death, then may have seen some twitching or Agonal breathing. She may have thought he was still alive so she shot him. I think the shot came last.

Based on ME testimony. Also this video is a pretty good reenactment of her story vs what is probably closest to the truth of really happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&h...lFc&nomobile=1

I personally think the shot came first while he was sitting in the shower. If that happened, the bullet casing could have been moved (ending up in the puddle of blood) during the ensuing struggle or when she dragged him back to the shower. And, IIRC the ME said he believes the shot came last but he could not say for certain due to the condition of the brain at the time of autopsy.

Blood is sticky. It's thick and viscous in great amounts. The bullet casing would have left a track of some sort in all that blood. No way it got kicked around and landed the way it was found without having blood all over it.

Here is some Nurmi math for everyone:

The state of Arizona is paying him $225 per hour. Lets say he only claims 40 per week.
That's $9,000 per week, $36,000 per month. His yearly take is: $468,000.

This is unbelievable to me. How can the state see fit to overpay him by so much?
Any wonder why he wastes so much time and talks so slow?

ETA: some of the JAII whackadoos were complaining that the poor defense couldn't afford a better expert witness. Not true. But, lets pretend it is true: why wouldn't Nurmi sacrifice a few grand of his $468,000/year to hire a better one?

I don't the State of AZ would pay him that much. He would have to submit detailed billing records in order to be reimbursed. In this day and age and especially in AZ under Jan Brewer I doubt they'd fork over that much.

[Justice11]

I don't think he's getting 40 hours. He's in court about 24 hours a week. Plus he's working on his practice. I just can't see any government paying that much more than they would pay their regular salaried worker - hourly workers punch a time clock. He probably doesn't get paid for those 2 hour lunches, that leaves 16 hours.

Don't forget there are briefs that are filed, witnesses that are prepped, etc. I'm sure he has NO problem getting 40 hours turned in.

I don't the State of AZ would pay him that much. He would have to submit detailed billing records in order to be reimbursed. In this day and age and especially in AZ under Jan Brewer I doubt they'd fork over that much.

Oh, but they are. I'm just going by what is in the court minutes. It does NOT state a cap on it. That's the math, $225 an hour adds up pretty quickly. If I were paying taxes in Arizona I would be furious.

[Doll-Face]

And you are basing this statement on which line of questioning?

The scale is way off but that dude is 250 and he did step on the shelf and nothing happened. It is possible to do it the way she said it wne down and I'm surprised they haven't done a mock of it to prove Martinez wrong. With one hand grabbing a shelf and one foot on a shelf you can be up and grab the gun and back down in a split second

I didn't watch the HLN recreation. Did they use the same shelving? I have this type of shelving in my pantry. I am 5'3" and weigh 130, and my shelf broke when I stepped on it to reach a higher shelf. If this guy was taller, right there I have a problem with the recreation. Are they telling us they don't have anyone who is of similar height and weight as Jodi??? What a farce!

[Kdon]

BTW... I think Nurmi deserves whatever $ he's getting. Can u imagine having to work with that POS Jodi every day? I also think that Juan should be making more