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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimple blossom View Post
    I saw someone wrote earlier that The Jodi Innocent page that people there are donating money for her family to keep going to court but does anyone know if anyone is sending donations for The Alexander Family, that deserve this much more? I sure hope so.
    I want to say I saw something about making donations to the Alexander family, but I haven't really seen anything lately. Pretty disgusting how Arias' family has the nerve to beg for cash while you don't hear anything from Travis' family. But there are plenty of fools out there more than happy to donate.

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    https://www.facebook.com/Justice4Travis

    Dimple blossom - this face book page at times has a post that encourages people to donate directly to the Alexanders. It directly routes it to the Alexander's account & in return a family member sends the person(s) a warm thank you letter. A few of the friends that support him have appeared on that face book page, as well. Just giving you a heads up. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimple blossom View Post
    I was just teasin ya hehe
    Yes, why the heck do news agencies still call his house an apartment?!?!?!?! ARGH! I paid WAY too much for my house and have 1000 sq feet less than he did!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimple blossom View Post
    I saw someone wrote earlier that The Jodi Innocent page that people there are donating money for her family to keep going to court but does anyone know if anyone is sending donations for The Alexander Family, that deserve this much more? I sure hope so.

    On the Justice for Travis facebook page there is a link where people can donate to the Alexander family. It's a paypal account set up and administered, I believe, by Tanisha

    Quote Originally Posted by Jillee View Post
    I love how Martinez asks the witness a question which is 'off'. The witness corrects him; then he turns it around and goes in for the kill. He sets up the witness to correct him, then zeros in on their answers. It's really a beautiful dance.
    It's beautiful to watch!

    Looks like Richard Samuels has run into problems in AZ before due to testifying as an "expert"

    http://statecasefiles.justia.com/doc...?ts=1358524875
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    I Feel Stabby
    (sung to the tune of ?I Feel Pretty?)

    I feel stabby
    Oh so stabby
    I feel stabby and I?m so enraged
    And I pity
    Anybody who gets in my way
    (la la la la la - - la la la la la)

    I feel deadly
    Oh so deadly
    It?s alarming how deadly I feel
    And so stabby
    That I hardly can believe I?m real
    (la la la la la - - la la la la la)

    See that stabby girl in the mirror there
    (What mirror, where?)
    Who can that knife wielding girl be?
    (Which, what, where, whom?)
    Such a pretty face
    Such pretty fake boobs
    Such a pretty smile
    Such a pretty ME!

    I feel stunning
    And entrancing
    Feel like running and dancing for joy
    I just butchered
    A pretty wonderful boy

    I feel pretty
    Oh so pretty
    That the city should give me its key
    A committee
    Should be organized to honor ME
    (la la la la la - - la la la la la)

    I feel dizzy
    I feel funny
    I feel fizzy and funny and fine
    And so pretty
    Miss America can just resign (or I?ll kill her)
    (la la la la la - - la la la la la)

    See that stabby girl in the mirror there
    (What mirror, where?)
    Who can that attractive girl be?
    (Which, what, where, whom?)
    Such a pretty face
    Such pretty fake boobs
    Such a pretty smile
    Such a pretty ME!

    I feel stunning
    And entrancing
    Feel like running and dancing for joy
    I just butchered
    A pretty wonderful boy

    Were you crying when you were stabbing him? --SuperJuan Martinez
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    I know I am super late here, but I just watched the afternoon session with JM's cross of Dr. Asshat. Can I just say......HOLY SHIT!!! WOW. Go JM!!!! Just awesome. Nail that creepy dink!

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    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jodi-Arias-H...item20d0638f2f

    Just what I've always wanted. NOT
    I'm assuming these are real.
    Who buys these? Do they think they'll make a profit if they try to resell them if she gets the death penalty or something? I guess some people are just into collecting stuff from murderers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blah28 View Post
    I want to say I saw something about making donations to the Alexander family, but I haven't really seen anything lately. Pretty disgusting how Arias' family has the nerve to beg for cash while you don't hear anything from Travis' family. But there are plenty of fools out there more than happy to donate.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mousy View Post
    https://www.facebook.com/Justice4Travis

    Dimple blossom - this face book page at times has a post that encourages people to donate directly to the Alexanders. It directly routes it to the Alexander's account & in return a family member sends the person(s) a warm thank you letter. A few of the friends that support him have appeared on that face book page, as well. Just giving you a heads up. :)
    Quote Originally Posted by Jillee View Post
    Yes, why the heck do news agencies still call his house an apartment?!?!?!?! ARGH! I paid WAY too much for my house and have 1000 sq feet less than he did!
    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakers the Wonder Dog View Post
    On the Justice for Travis facebook page there is a link where people can donate to the Alexander family. It's a paypal account set up and administered, I believe, by Tanisha



    It's beautiful to watch!

    Looks like Richard Samuels has run into problems in AZ before due to testifying as an "expert"

    http://statecasefiles.justia.com/doc...?ts=1358524875
    Thank you all for letting me know!! Now I think I will go donate!!! The Arias' don't deserve this at all. I hope I did it right this time posting lol. They make me so sick

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    Some choice posts from today at JAII:

    Aly says:
    March 18, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    They’ve had made all kind of expressions
    distarted looking faces during this trial. Of course not a word about it from the judge.

    NOT Jodi’s side.
    You notice that?

    Not watching while Stabby's Mom and Aunt yuk it up?

    Frannie says:
    March 18, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    she is sitting in a way I have not seen her do at the defense table. Wonder what is going on in her head. Very sad.

    She's performing her PTSD act for the jury, geez pay attention!

    B.Berry says:
    March 18, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    I am just concerned that the toll may be making her ill — will they delay the case some if needed? I completely agree that it would exhaust me physically.

    No they won't delay the case. All she's doing is sitting there doodling. Imagine the toll on TA's family!

    cindy jewell says:
    March 18, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    Anyone else picking up on the fact there is something very wrong with Jodi…

    Glen says:
    March 18, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    Yes,she looks in a daze,worn out ,depressed.

    Again, pay f*cking attention. She's performing her PTSD act. You think she's depressed now? Just wait until JM gets a hold of Dr Dodgy Dick

    annieEP says:
    March 18, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    I have a feeling this Dr, helped her out some and just didn’t evaluate. He seems to nice of a guy not to
    Reply

    LC says:
    March 18, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    He probably wanted to, but COULDN’T though.

    That would be unethical

    MB - Team Jodi says:
    March 18, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    maria, yes same here. I imagine it would be therapeutic for her to talk about what happened, and know that the listener believes her; which is why we see her much more sure of herself on the stand.

    Imagine if she had full access to therapy… she’d be a powerhouse.

    Yes, maybe she could stab TWO guys to death, or maybe THREE

    Introspective says:
    March 18, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    Well, this seeming debacle w/the good doc seems to hv the entire ‘cast’ of HLN and the ‘Sunshine’ band truely ecstatic, almost rubbing their hands together gleefully. Crap!

    Along with the rest of us


    Gusted says:
    March 18, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    Are you guys saying it’s JM’s fault if she lied on the stand?
    Whoa–you lost me on this one. How did he make her lie? I’m not seeing where he solicited any false testimony. He asked; she answered.

    Candie says:
    March 18, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    He didn’t disclose that he spoke to Walmart and Tesoro employees or give the physical evidence of the emails to the defense. “Would it surprise you Walmart has no record of a return of a gas can that day?”

    Why didn’t he disclose the emails to the defense? He’s required to

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    Jodi's diary from jail!

    Entry #21

    March 19, 2013

    Dear Diary,

    Um, what just happened? Like, really. What. Just. Happened? My dumb expert witness, Doctor Dildo, just got owned by Fartinez. I cannot believe it. I am just in shock. Really, I think I may be having another outbreak of PTSD, only for real this time! That could not have gone any worse. My own expert witness said I "lied". How is THAT going to help me? Does he think we are paying him to call me a liar. I thought I had him wrapped around my finger. But, Fartinez starts in on him and he is all, "duh, duh, duh." And to think, I flirted with him NON stop for about 30 hours. Gross. I guess it was all a HUGE waste of my time. This joker is just one more impediment that I do not need.

    And Fartinez got so bent out of shape because he sent me a book? I didn't even read it! It was a stupid "self help" book. Um, I don't really need any self help books, thank you very much. I need a friggen witness who doesn't call me a liar and make me look like an idiot. He better do better tomorrow or I will make him "Doctor Dildo WITHOUT a heartbeat."

    On a positive note...Donovan was back in court today. She's been on vacation with a "gal pal" of hers. I kept turning around and laughing at her. She was doing these hilarious imitations of Fartinez. Who says court can't be fun? Just look at my mom and aunt. They are having a blast. I snuck a peak at Travis' family today. Talk about a snooze fest. I don't want to de-edify them, but seriously, they need to lighten up a bit. I bet the jury is not impressed either. At least my side knows how to have some fun and live a little!

    Well, I would write more, but I think I better get busy on my artwork. I am hoping that my new line of portraits will be especially remunerative. I am doing a series entitled "The Jurors." Everyone is going to be enthralled with these.


    Till next time,
    Jodi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blah28 View Post
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jodi-Arias-H...item20d0638f2f

    Just what I've always wanted. NOT
    I'm assuming these are real.
    Who buys these? Do they think they'll make a profit if they try to resell them if she gets the death penalty or something? I guess some people are just into collecting stuff from murderers.

    From the Ebay listing
    "These are postcards with handwritten notes mailed to me from her location in Arizona, & there will be more coming soon!! This jail does not allow anything incoming or outgoing (as far as mail & prisoners) other than postcards (4.25x6)...I live in Yreka, CA...the hometown of Jodi Arias...if there is anything else you would like me to TRY to get...please give me the details...I will most certainly do my best!!"

    Friend/relative trying to raise some cash or a friend selling her out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by biggie View Post
    Just die Nancy Disgrace. You are not showing live vidoe and everyone knows it.
    well i can't argue w/ you at all about thia

    Quote Originally Posted by M Joy View Post
    Thats her defense. Not the state
    wth were they thinking - they only reason he was up there was to try to prove there was no premeditation, and it wasn't allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by AlisonL View Post
    I know I am super late here, but I just watched the afternoon session with JM's cross of Dr. Asshat. Can I just say......HOLY SHIT!!! WOW. Go JM!!!! Just awesome. Nail that creepy dink!
    yes! just got home - i am in shock at how bad this guy is - omg!

    ok - i am very disappointed in hln recreation of travis' bathroom

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    Glad to see the recreation on HLN afterdark make Nancy Disgrace look like the idiot she is. They addressed the fact that she could have put her foot on a shelf that holds 40 lbs and not damage it. Not that any of that even happened. But I knew it was possible with momentum to step on one of these shelves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakers the Wonder Dog View Post
    From the Ebay listing
    "These are postcards with handwritten notes mailed to me from her location in Arizona, & there will be more coming soon!! This jail does not allow anything incoming or outgoing (as far as mail & prisoners) other than postcards (4.25x6)...I live in Yreka, CA...the hometown of Jodi Arias...if there is anything else you would like me to TRY to get...please give me the details...I will most certainly do my best!!"

    Friend/relative trying to raise some cash or a friend selling her out?
    Yeah, that is what it appears to be. Who would buy it?? It's not like she is Elvis Presley...who wants something her creepy hands have touched?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justice11 View Post
    Entry #21

    March 18, 2013

    Dear Diary,

    Um, what just happened? Like, really. What. Just. Happened? My dumb expert witness, Doctor Dildo, just got owned by Fartinez. I cannot believe it. I am just in shock. Really, I think I may be having another outbreak of PTSD, only for real this time! That could not have gone any worse. My own expert witness said I "lied". How is THAT going to help me? Does he think we are paying him to call me a liar. I thought I had him wrapped around my finger. But, Fartinez starts in on him and he is all, "duh, duh, duh." And to think, I flirted with him NON stop for about 30 hours. Gross. I guess it was all a HUGE waste of my time. This joker is just one more impediment that I do not need.

    And Fartinez got so bent out of shape because he sent me a book? I didn't even read it! It was a stupid "self help" book. Um, I don't really need any self help books, thank you very much. I need a friggen witness who doesn't call me a liar and make me look like an idiot. He better do better tomorrow or I will make him "Doctor Dildo WITHOUT a heartbeat."

    On a positive note...Donovan was back in court today. She's been on vacation with a "gal pal" of hers. I kept turning around and laughing at her. She was doing these hilarious imitations of Fartinez. Who says court can't be fun? Just look at my mom and aunt. They are having a blast. I snuck a peak at Travis' family today. Talk about a snooze fest. I don't want to de-edify them, but seriously, they need to lighted up a bit. I bet the jury is not impressed either. At least my side knows how to have some fun and live a little!

    Well, I would write more, but I think I better get busy on my artwork. I am hoping that my new line of portraits will be especially remunerative. I am doing a series entitled "The Jurors." Everyone is going to be enthralled with these.


    Till next time,
    Jodi
    like lohan telling her atty to shut up today in court!!! i guess no one had a good court day!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimple blossom View Post
    I saw someone wrote earlier that The Jodi Innocent page that people there are donating money for her family to keep going to court but does anyone know if anyone is sending donations for The Alexander Family, that deserve this much more? I sure hope so.
    They Do !!!!
    I was able to send a little donation on Feb 18th to them & I received an email from Samantha, it read:

    Re: Donation for the Travis Alexander Family‏
    2/19/13
    Reply ▼
    Samantha Alexander
    To [email protected]
    I wanted to personally thank you for your support during this trying time. This has been the hardest thing we have went through and it makes it so much harder because it is in a different state. Travis was the only member of our family that lived in Arizona so we are all traveling and taking time away from our lives and our jobs to be there. Words can not express how much we appreciate your support. I hope this trial will soon be over so we can have some sense of closure. I feel like my brother's death has taken so much from this world and it's not fair to any one of us. We hope the justice system will not fail us. Only time will tell.
    Thank you again for your support.
    Sincerely,
    Samantha Alexander and the Alexander Family

    On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Kimberly xxxxxxx via PayPal <[email protected]> wrote:

    Kimberly xxxxxxx sent you $30.00 USD
    Transaction ID: 89xxxxxxxxxxxxxx0H
    Dear Travis Alexander Memorial Fund,
    Just thought you'd like to know Kimberly xxxxxxx sent you $30.00 USD.
    Note from Kimberly xxxxxxx:
    Dear Alexander Family, My heart felt sympathy goes out to you. Thanks to the FaceBook page "The State vs Jodi Arias ~ Travis Alexander murder trial" whom has kindly posted this PayPal link. I hope this helps & I wish it could be more. God bless & keep strong Best Regards, Kimberly xxxxxxx & Fam


    Here is the link from--->
    The State vs Jodi Arias ~ Travis Alexander murder trial FaceBook Page
    We've had numerous requests from people wishing to assist Travis' family with travel and living expenses during the trial.
    Please make donations to the following PayPal email: [email protected]
    To send cards or cheques, please use this postal address:
    Tanisha Sorenson
    ALS
    700 E. Redlands Blvd. STE U 304
    Redlands, CA. 92373
    [We advise that the admins of this site do not manage this acct. It is handled exclusively by Travis' family.]

    FYI--- I've X'd out some stuff for obvious reasons :smile:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justice11 View Post
    Entry #21

    March 18, 2013

    Dear Diary,

    Um, what just happened? Like, really. What. Just. Happened? My dumb expert witness, Doctor Dildo, just got owned by Fartinez. I cannot believe it. I am just in shock. Really, I think I may be having another outbreak of PTSD, only for real this time! That could not have gone any worse. My own expert witness said I "lied". How is THAT going to help me? Does he think we are paying him to call me a liar. I thought I had him wrapped around my finger. But, Fartinez starts in on him and he is all, "duh, duh, duh." And to think, I flirted with him NON stop for about 30 hours. Gross. I guess it was all a HUGE waste of my time. This joker is just one more impediment that I do not need.

    And Fartinez got so bent out of shape because he sent me a book? I didn't even read it! It was a stupid "self help" book. Um, I don't really need any self help books, thank you very much. I need a friggen witness who doesn't call me a liar and make me look like an idiot. He better do better tomorrow or I will make him "Doctor Dildo WITHOUT a heartbeat."

    On a positive note...Donovan was back in court today. She's been on vacation with a "gal pal" of hers. I kept turning around and laughing at her. She was doing these hilarious imitations of Fartinez. Who says court can't be fun? Just look at my mom and aunt. They are having a blast. I snuck a peak at Travis' family today. Talk about a snooze fest. I don't want to de-edify them, but seriously, they need to lighted up a bit. I bet the jury is not impressed either. At least my side knows how to have some fun and live a little!

    Well, I would write more, but I think I better get busy on my artwork. I am hoping that my new line of portraits will be especially remunerative. I am doing a series entitled "The Jurors." Everyone is going to be enthralled with these.


    Till next time,
    Jodi
    That was so funny.... Well written my friend!

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    Quote Originally Posted by biggie View Post
    Glad to see the recreation on HLN afterdark make Nancy Disgrace look like the idiot she is. They addressed the fact that she could have put her foot on a shelf that holds 40 lbs and not damage it. Not that any of that even happened. But I knew it was possible with momentum to step on one of these shelves.
    He didn't really put his weight on the shelf though. The guy is much taller and could reach it easily. Jodi would've had to jump. Also if you look at the closet, the HLN scale is off. The top shelf in Travis' closet seems to be a lot higher than the HLN mock-up. Jodi would have to jump up, push it off the shelf with her left hand and put her whole body weight on it; HLN guy didn't have to get far off the ground at all. He said he was over 6 feet I believe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Harlette View Post



    wth were they thinking - they only reason he was up there was to try to prove there was no premeditation, and it wasn't allowed



    yes! just got home - i am in shock at how bad this guy is - omg!

    ok - i am very disappointed in hln recreation of travis' bathroom
    Thats funny. I was just thinking the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakers the Wonder Dog View Post
    From the Ebay listing
    "These are postcards with handwritten notes mailed to me from her location in Arizona, & there will be more coming soon!! This jail does not allow anything incoming or outgoing (as far as mail & prisoners) other than postcards (4.25x6)...I live in Yreka, CA...the hometown of Jodi Arias...if there is anything else you would like me to TRY to get...please give me the details...I will most certainly do my best!!"

    Friend/relative trying to raise some cash or a friend selling her out?
    I'm thinking it is someone making it look like they are doing it without her knowledge but I'm sure that she DOES know.

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    I forgot to add, heck the one HLN dude could actually reach the gun without doing any more than standing on his toes. He reached right up and grabbed without scaling the shelf, at the beginning of the recreation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Harlette View Post
    well i can't argue w/ you at all about thia



    wth were they thinking - they only reason he was up there was to try to prove there was no premeditation, and it wasn't allowed



    yes! just got home - i am in shock at how bad this guy is - omg!

    ok - i am very disappointed in hln recreation of travis' bathroom
    I don't watch HLN, so I didn't see it. But, I was knew any "reenactment" they would do in a fake setting would probably not work. You can't "recreate" an entire bedroom, bathroom, and closet exactly the same. I would have been more impressed if they did the reenactment in the actual house. But, even then, the reenactment, would just be their guesses. You can't reenact a murder exactly, obviously, the emotions change the speed of which things are done, and although we know a lot, we don't know EVERYTHING that went down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCBlonde View Post
    He didn't really put his weight on the shelf though. The guy is much taller and could reach it easily. Jodi would've had to jump. Also if you look at the closet, the HLN scale is off. The top shelf in Travis' closet seems to be a lot higher than the HLN mock-up. Jodi would have to jump up, push it off the shelf with her left hand and put her whole body weight on it; HLN guy didn't have to get far off the ground at all. He said he was over 6 feet I believe.
    Are they using a 6 foot tall guy as a stand in for Jodi? That makes absolutely no sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimple blossom View Post
    Thank you all for letting me know!! Now I think I will go donate!!! The Arias' don't deserve this at all. I hope I did it right this time posting lol. They make me so sick
    Agreed Dimple Blossom. ahhhh. I too am an artist and her artistic talents are reminiscent of my 8th grade Art Projects class. SHE'S TRACING! It's so obvious to me. I do big stuff. 18' x 24' is my small work. She's coloring on the cardboard backs of legal pads. This crap makes me FURIOUS! The ONLY reason her artwork is selling is because the odds are she'll be convicted and sent to death row. She could doodle a pile of dog crap and it would sell right now. Murderbillia is a hot commodity. These buyers are BANKING that she'll be convicted. "Hung next to Monet and Van Gogh"....anyone who believes this BS is a total MARK! (sorry Ron_NYC) UGH!!! Sending out a very special FUCK YOU to Jodi from the art community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCBlonde View Post
    He didn't really put his weight on the shelf though. The guy is much taller and could reach it easily. Jodi would've had to jump. Also if you look at the closet, the HLN scale is off. The top shelf in Travis' closet seems to be a lot higher than the HLN mock-up. Jodi would have to jump up, push it off the shelf with her left hand and put her whole body weight on it; HLN guy didn't have to get far off the ground at all. He said he was over 6 feet I believe.
    The scale is way off but that dude is 250 and he did step on the shelf and nothing happened. It is possible to do it the way she said it wne down and I'm surprised they haven't done a mock of it to prove Martinez wrong. With one hand grabbing a shelf and one foot on a shelf you can be up and grab the gun and back down in a split second

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