Originally Posted by bermstalker
called it.
But since everyone is jumping ship on here, he's probably going to get away with it.
called it.
But since everyone is jumping ship on here, he's probably going to get away with it.
The defense is definitely creating reasonable doubt with the pootie brain scenario, I ain't buying it. Too many other components are present to keep that pussy pontoon afloat. The desperate texting for mooter shots was just a convenient distraction so he wouldn't have to think about what he was actually doing.
Think about it for a sec... If one was a disgusting perv scouring the internet for porn and hook-ups trying to bust a nut, would you really stop right in the middle and say, "I'll take a break from chicks with dicks, cuz I'm curious as to how long it would take for a kid to suffocate in a hot car." I call bullshit. Defense is just clouding the waters.
"Theoretical physics can prove that an elephant can hang from a cliff with its tail tied to a daisy. But use your eyes, your common sense".... JIM GARRISON
I'm firmly on team 'he's a DICK'.
Today's minute-by-minute: http://www.ajc.com/news/breaking-new...zhY4AE4q9hGeM/
Includes testimony about the temperature in the car throughout the day and from one of the women he was sexting with the day Cooper died.
In fairness, the defense isn't pushing a pootie brain scenario. The prosecution is still presenting its case, and it's the prosecution that's hammering on the sexting stuff. The defense is trying to poke holes in the idea Cooper's death was intentional, but they're claiming his sex life had nothing to do with what happened.
If the prosecution can't get him for malice murder, they still have two child cruelty charges with a charge of felony murder attached to both. I actually think the prosecution is hoping his sexting obsession will work in their favor and translate into criminal negligence/reckless disregard so they can still get him for at least second degree child cruelty/felony murder if they can't convince the jury is was intentional. That's my guess, anyway.
Based on its opening statement, the defense is focused on painting Ross as a doting dad who didn't want his son dead and that it was just a terrible accident. They've already poked holes in some of the evidence that convinced many people he did it on purpose ... like the Reddit child-free thing.
Also, the prosecution's computer guy testified he found no evidence on Ross and Leanna's electronic devices that either had researched hot car deaths. The defense said in its opening statement that the police made that up (http://www.wsbtv.com/news/ross-harri...-son/453330271). It will be interesting to see what Leanna has to say about that, or if the police have them on video saying they researched that stuff. Weird.
Ok I'll shut up now.
If the police did make up the "researching hot car deaths" that is beyond fucked up.
I've felt (since around last February) he was just distracted and not murderer. I've seen overzealous prosecutors go after innocent people before when the deaths were accidental.
I can't tell you how many times I've seen true-crime related shows where the behavior after the fact was "suspicious" when, in all actuality, everyone acts differently after a loved ones sudden death. I'd imagine one would be in a state of shock, and their brain wouldn't let them process the information of the death. It's a coping mechanism.
Anyway, he may be a pervert or sex addict, but it's a shame if he's convicted of a murder he didn't commit.
"The love for all living creatures is the most noble attribute of man" -Charles Darwin
Double-devil's advocate post here:
Investigators said there were several burned-out light bulbs in their house.
I walked around my house and found five burned-out bulbs.
Who fucking knows.
What has me leaning towards this being an accident- the fact that he parked his car around other cars. If he's was planning this out, it seems he would have parked his car away from other cars. Why would he risk taking the chance that somebody would hear/see the baby?
BUT then you have the smell.
Agreed. Unless maybe he wanted someone else to find Cooper?
Another thing that makes me think it's an accident: If he did it on purpose, why would he feel the need to check on Cooper in the middle of the day? Any way you look at it, Cooper was going to be in the car for the entire workday, so about 8 hours. And everyone knows that if you leave a child in a car that hot, for that long, death is 100% certain. What could he possibly hope to accomplish by checking on him? It's not like he was going to finish him off in case he hadn't died yet.
I also want to know what happened for him to realize that Cooper was still in the car. Did he see him in the mirrors, the same mirrors he didn't see him in earlier? Maybe it was the smell? I think he was about two miles from work when he discovered him. It's not really a long time to be in the car.
The smell is the ONLY thing making me waver on this being a standard "I forgot" case,
BUT ...
He's deaf in one ear or something, right? So it's possible there's some loss of smell too - he may not even be aware of it.
Maybe he thought he would be dead by then so he could start acting , but the poor baby was still alive so he couldn't do it.
I never said he didn't NEED the light bulbs. I just said it was something cheap that he remembered they needed so he would have a reason to check the vehicle to see. Why spend a lot of money on something to place in the car just to see if your child is dead?
Todays minute-by-minute: http://www.ajc.com/news/breaking-new...gWN8frEpIaV0K/
Includes testimony from four more of his sexting girlfriends. What a horndog he is.
I don't care about this guys skeezy grossness. I would normally be super empathetic to this kind of accident, and I went and got familiar again with some older cases to see why I think this is different.
I still think he planned this. He could have 'forgotten' in the first instance, but the checking/lightbulb scenario is odd. (Think about it, if I buy something while I'm at work, it stays with me at my desk til I leave, why visit the car earlier?)
My take on the parking around people is kind of what've tuplo said - he probably wanted someone else to notice the child, would mean he wouldn't have to be the one 'sounding the alarm', which is what he ended up doing, and his behaviour was suspicious due to his reaction (that I think he was trying to avoid having to do).
The not really doing CPR thing, the childfree posts, even without the hot car death searches, it's all a few too many coincidences.
But I'm staying open to what you guys are saying here, I could be very off the mark.
I've been following the trial on the LawNewz Facebook page which has live feeds from court — I listen with headphones during the workday as background, and when something is super interesting I'll go back and watch the video at night.
If I were on the jury. I'd have found reasonable doubt by now. I'm not 100 percent certain he's guilty like I used to be. Mostly because the pre-trial bombs the prosecution dropped through the media turned out to not be true. The "childfree" Reddit link was sent to him by a friend -- that's why he opened it -- and his response to it was "Grossness." Pretty much the opposite of him going online and searching for that topic. He hadn't done that. He and his wife had both told police they had researched hot car deaths online, and their statements have been introduced as evidence although the actual searches have not -- my memory on this is shaky but I believe police testified they didn't find searches like that.
Video from when he was reunited with his wife at the police station after Cooper died show him crying and begging her not to leave him -- again the opposite of prosecution's contention that he killed Cooper to pave the way for a divorce. He also told his wife he knew right away, when he first noticed Cooper in the carseat, that he was dead. The boy was obviously dead and in rigor mortis, so CPR was obviously futile.
I can believe that he is/was a sex addict and so obsessed with sexting women and girls that he neglected all his other priorities, including what should have been his biggest one, his son. Combine that with the fact that he's not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, and I can believe that he did forget that morning as his mind was occupied with sex and not his son (or his wife, or his job). In that case it wasn't a the typical case of a parent getting their routine interrupted and going on autopilot not realizing the kid is still in the car -- it was his behaviors and actions that led him to accidentally kill the kid. Kind of like if someone accidentally causes their child's death while drunk or on drugs. If I were a juror I'd want him punished along the lines of someone who did that rather than a parent who just tragically forgot.
The smell still trips me up tho.... Don't know how he didn't smell anything when he got into the car.
I'm just amazed at all the women that actually met up with this dude.....TO PREFORM ORAL SEX ON HIM. Or sent him naked pictures. I bet he has a special web site where his dick is posted all over it too. He seems to be really proud of it.
I would be so mortified if that was me on the stand.
One thing that stood out to me. Not that it proves anything.
Harris went to weatherpredictor.com on June 17, 2014, at 9:12 a.m., the day before Cooper died.
1. You just made me shudder. Ew.
2. The weather thing is interesting.
3. I stand by my original 'he wanted to be #childfree'.
Re the string of women: I know, right?! I have more respect for the prostitute at this point ... at least she got paid. What did they get out of it?
Re the weatherpredictor: meh, not so much. I check weather forecasts for the coming days/ weeks a lot.
Yeah, when I read about the weather predictor thing I felt the same way. I always check the weather. Of course I work outside, but just the same, it's pretty normal.
You can take those Fleets and shove them up your ass
Friday's minute-by-minute: http://www.ajc.com/news/minute-minut...xb7DNla1XIMNI/
The jury viewed the interrogation video.
Today's minute-by-minute: http://www.ajc.com/news/minute-minut...Q0lopONPoeTDK/
Includes a bunch of stuff about electronic devices (such as a video Ross watched of a veterinarian talking about what happens to pets in a hot car and a link Leanna sent Ross about a child left in a hot car) and videos of detectives driving from Chick-fil-A to Ross' office.
I guess i'm just one of those weird people/fools who doesn't check the weather. It's like a daily surprise!
.... maybe if I checked, I'd stop hanging washing out just before it rains. Ha!
I think so far the only thing the state has proved is that Ross is sex addict that didn't want to be married.
They were in financial debt but yet they still went on vacations and made plans for cruises. He was even trying to get a job at Chick Fill A (I assume a corporate position)
Does anybody get the feeling that maybe Ross has left/forgotten about the kid before? It seems like strange thing to keep sending to your husband.
I still think weatherpredictor is a strange thing unless it's a page he checked frequently. Most people check the weather all the time. BUT in my own case, I use one weather app. It gives me a 7 day outlook. I don't tend to search for more details unless something is on the outlook.Stoddard then talks about an email from Leanna Harris on Jan. 30, 2013, with a subject line "Don't be this dad." It contained al ink to a local TV station's story about a father who leaves a child in his car for eight hours on a cold day. A second email is a forward of a message headed "Look again" from a state agency.
A third email sent on May 13, 2014, a little more than a month before Cooper's death, said "a 2-year-old in Clarkston, Ga., died after being left in her mother's car," Stoddard says.
I do kinda get that impression, that maybe this wasn't his first "oops". But then again, if that was the case, I would have been fucking livid if he actually went and did it after I sent all that, which we didn't see with his wife. Although she seems like kind of an odd duck anyway, so who knows?
I've never heard of weatherpredictor, but I check weather.com every day. It shows the same thing.
Gatdamn, I can't believe all these chicks. What a gross-looking dude.
Those emails are certainly suspicious.
You can take those Fleets and shove them up your ass
Today's minute-by-minute: http://www.ajc.com/news/breaking-new...DAgfBiBSbsmiP/
The defense is cross-examining Stoddard (lead detective) and doing a pretty good job at poking holes in a lot of the damning evidence Stoddard presented at the probable cause hearing.
Today's minute-by-minute: http://www.ajc.com/news/local/minute...DjvLHUznmDZ7H/
The defense is finished with the lead detective. There was lots of wrangling over the prosecution's 3D animation of the SUV, because they recently rescanned the vehicle after claiming the old scan was 100 percent accurate when they submitted it as evidence. The judge decided to let the prosecution use the new scan for the 3D animation.
Looks like several jury members cried while viewing the car and car seat today.
IMO, that's gonna be hard for the defense to explain away. That car was so small.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/jurors-sole...ry?id=43101939
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