In a perfect world, Jodi's parents would have insisted on treatment. Parents often ignore signs that their teen is in trouble. The shame and the stigma associated with mental illness is so pervasive that people avoid therapy for themselves or their family members at all costs. i cant tell you the numbers of parents whose son or daughter have a first psychotic break and the parent prefers that the kid has a brain tumor or smoked some bad weed.
In that same perfect world, Travis would have sought treatment, too. There is no shame in admitting there is an obstacle in your path that you can't get around no matter what you try.
So, as an educator you can teach that therapy is a good thing.
i just can't keep track of her stories - i thought the bmw trans was ruined and the ifinity was repoed - but the mom in the interrogation she said that jodi got a flat on the way riverdise burial, no spare so bought a tire, bought one and it was the wrong size and that caused her transmission to break?? which i don't think can cause that - but would that be the infinity or bmw??
and also the mom said when grandma's house was robbed jodi said she was in hilt w/ her sis to visit and monestary but the dad told flores that jdoi said she had to go to medford oregon that day
plus it sounds like her mom was giving money right and left to support her, especially in mesa, even spending $2500 to pay for her moving back (and storing her stuff) to yreka - so i don't think they are quite as poor as she claimed - but it did sounded like dad might have cut her of and refused to help w/ an atty - i get the feeling dad isn't really a jodi supporter
Honestly, I really believe that everyone can teach therapy is a good thing. I don't even think it has to be therapy all the time, fuck, it can be a trustworthy and non-judgmental friend. We are only as bad as the secrets we keep....
Thank you for your opinion... I appreciate it!
I appreciate the feedback and it seems you base your opinion on what you have experienced, I have no right to dissuade you or disagree. I respect your opinion.
I have no illusions about stopping abuse or ending the cycle, but I have to believe that this horrible murder will serve as a learning tool for others. I really believe Travis knew something was off with Jodi.... There is every indication that Travis was aware that she was bad news, but it is almost like he didn't trust his own instincts. Yes, he wanted to help her and yes, he was easy prey for her sexual escapades, but I think he knew that she might be dangerous to him, especially after the tires. Maybe there was no way that Travis was going to get out of this alive and that Stabby was going to kill him no matter what, but damn.... It certainly becomes a cautionary tale if nothing else.
Travis did know something was off and that is why I made the "red flag" comment. Maybe he was in denial about things that were going on with Jodi...maybe he thought he could "fix" her and I fully believe that Travis was never going to make it out of this relationship alive. Just for clarification my opinion is based on professional experience. In my personal life I ignored the red flags and almost died. I agree 100% with Metis' post about encouraging families to seek therapy. It is the stigma of mental illness that needs to be broken so more can get the help they need.
"Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; They listen with the intent to reply." ~ anonymous
"Keep calm and sing Soft Kitty"
"it is what it is!"
Radaronline is outing Jodi's art
Jodi Arias ‘Original Art’ Dubbed Fake! She Copies Print Ads For Profit!
Posted on Apr 29, 2013 @ 8:47AM | By Alexis Tereszcuk - Entertainment Editor
Jodi Arias is not known for her honesty, and now the controversial “original artwork” that she has been selling has been revealed to be blatant copies from print advertisements!
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/20...xander-murder/
Hopefully I'm not getting ahead of myself here, but I'm proud of everyone for being civil during this hiatus. Usually by now everyone's gone absolutely nuts and reduced the board to a fuck-you-that's-my-opinion-well-fuck-your-opinion fest.
I've probably said this a million times...but I still hope we'll see a Primal Fear-esque meltdown. Forgive my ignorance of all things legal, but does anyone know how accurate this movie is in that regard? Here's the situation: Turns out midway through a murder trial that the guy who did it is absolutely crazy, but they've already entered a plea of not guilty and can't change to insanity. Dude freaks out on the stand and attacks the prosecutor. As a result the judge dismisses the jury in favor of a bench trial, saying not guilty by reason of insanity. NO SPOILING THE VERY END, BTW.
Anyone?
"Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; They listen with the intent to reply." ~ anonymous
"Keep calm and sing Soft Kitty"
"it is what it is!"
Travis and Jodi were playing two different games. Jodi just didn't tell Travis the rules of her game.
Travis wanted a "friend with benefits" and Jodi led Travis to believe she wanted that too. That has been proven in court.
Travis believed Jodi and him were in agreement about the "friend with benefits" until they each found another person.
That is a girl pretending to play the same game as the guy. Travis was very clear that they were friends with benefits. Jodi was very clear that she understood and agreed with that AND went along with that. In reality, Jodi was not. She was scheming to be a permanent fixture in Travis' life. Jodi was probably very good at telling people what they wanted to hear. She knew in the sex tape call that Travis didn't want to marry her-which is why she mentions how their kids can play together one day. I even doubt now they were ever "official" boyfriend and girlfriend.
Yes! I agree.
I agree! I skip over the derogatory posts AND the scolding posts. Both types are non-value adding. I prefer reading everyone's thoughts on the lawyers' strategies, the evidence, etc. I especially like reading stories of others' experiences in similar harrowing situations.
There are a lot of smart people on this board who always point out things I missed or never thought of. I like that.
I just heard defense has filed NEW motion to get this new witness to be able to testify that Travis would NOT have been incapacitated by the bullet...How is it possible for a clinical psychologist to rebut the ME, an MD? How can he expand on what he is brought in to talk about, the BPD? The law confuses me. The defense confuses me. They take 5 days off, overload on TV watching (where every attorney on HLN says, "how could they NOT bring their own ME?") and NOW want to refute ME testimony???? Bizarre
"Carrie"
could very well be... many people have asked why there wasn't blood traipsed downstairs or really anywhere except the master bedroom area... extrapolating on her planning ahead... a change of clothes and a Glad trash bag to stash everything in on the way out fits right in....
M Joy posted the "side-by-side" examples over on the Arias Trial: Memes, Jokes, etc thread... I mean I guess it takes some talent to basically trace something...(but no imagination) some poor schlub paid $1000 bucks for one of those.
link: http://tinyurl.com/c6l6756
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I highly doubt they're going to be finished with testimony tomorrow. The defense is going to drag it out as long as possible.
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Agreed. It is depressing that in this day and age, mental illness still has so much stigma. Society has progressed in so many ways, but in the realm of acceptance of mental illness, we have made less progress than in other realms.
The scenario portrayed in the movie is not realistic in the ultimate resolution of the case. If insanity is not pled from the start, the judge cannot decide the person is 'not guilty by reason of insanity' because they have an outburst in court, no matter how dramatic the outburst is.
In order to be not guilty by reason of insanity, it has to be proven that at the moment the crime was committed, the defendant was unable to distinguish right from wrong. If the defendant could distinguish right from wrong at the time of the crime, but has a mental illness at the time or goes nuts later, they might be labelled crazy, but that does not automatically mean they are not guilty by reason of insanity. The insanity defense looks ONLY at the moment when the crime was committed.
In the scenario from the Primal Fear movie, it is more likely that a real judge might determine that defendant was not mentally competent to stand trial, and place them in a mental institution. If the defendant later became competent, the trial would proceed. If the defendant never regained competence, they could spend the rest of their life in the mental hospital. Otherwise, if the defendant was mentally ill, but was still able to understand the charges against them and assist in their own defense, then the trial would proceed. Lots of people with a diagnosable mental illness are considered competent to stand trial.
Were you crying when you were stabbing him? --SuperJuan Martinez
Nobody believes a word out of your mouth. Why do you keep talking? -- ABC Interviewer to JA
Sneakerz the Wondersleuth, I am waiting for an update on the hearing today about using the psychologist to opine on brain function after a GSW to the face...specifically how he would be qualified to do that. Still say if they want to go down that road they would need to have a neurologist or neurosurgeon.
Will the hearing have cameras/press present or is it closed-door? Waiting patiently to hear from you...
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