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    Quote Originally Posted by meowzerz View Post
    Oh nooooooo I hope not. But Im thinking you are right This poor jury is going to be SO confused.

    I cant bear to watch tomorrow. I am trying to be "jodi-free" until closing arguments. I just cant seem to stay away from this site though
    I don't want to watch tomorrow either..but I know I will. I've watched it from the beginning, and I'll have to see it through to the end. Just like OJ and Casey Anthony. I have a sworn oath with my brother that I'm NOT watching the Zimmerman trial. He doesn't believe me.
    :o)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brillig View Post
    I found that moment in the interrogation to be SO revealing of Jodi's true self. I read it as her attempting to find out what the "correct response" was in that situation, what response a normal human would be likely to have. She would be glad to supply it, she just could not figure out what it was, so she was asking Detective Flores for hints. I think Jodi had gone through her extensive mental Rolodex of potential responses, and since she had never been in a similar situation before, the card with the "how normal people act when being questioned as a murder suspect" was blank. She had no genuine response, because she is a sociopath (imo).
    I agree. It was very revealing (and creepy).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metis212 View Post
    Yes, I believe based on the pictures of dragging him and the carpet photos, she slit his throat while he was on his back.

    I wonder if the throat cut was made in one slice, or if maybe there was a bit of sawing back and forth. I know it sounds really sick, I am just having a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that someone who has never killed before would be able to pull off such a violent motion without a glimmer of hesitation.

    I am going to go back and listen to the testimony of the ME again, but I don't know if it was mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cara View Post
    I wonder if the throat cut was made in one slice, or if maybe there was a bit of sawing back and forth. I know it sounds really sick, I am just having a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that someone who has never killed before would be able to pull off such a violent motion without a glimmer of hesitation.

    I am going to go back and listen to the testimony of the ME again, but I don't know if it was mentioned.
    No sawing, just a quick motion. He mentioned that he knew that because there were no “hesitation marks”


    Anyone know if today’s hearing will be aired? Or is it closed? Also, what time is it scheduled at? TIA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cara View Post
    I wonder if the throat cut was made in one slice, or if maybe there was a bit of sawing back and forth. I know it sounds really sick, I am just having a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that someone who has never killed before would be able to pull off such a violent motion without a glimmer of hesitation.

    I am going to go back and listen to the testimony of the ME again, but I don't know if it was mentioned.
    That is one of the things that I kept dwelling on to and asked about waaay back, if I remember correctly there were no hesitation marks so she did just cleanly slice through. *shudder*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metis212 View Post
    Aw shucks. prior to this trial, I was well-liked, funny and considered intelligent. Now I am the google bitch. Jodi ruins everything.
    Quote Originally Posted by *crickets* View Post
    *skulking off to google now*

    (I hope you're happy Metis...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jillee View Post
    She had to have been COVERED in blood! From head to toe!
    Quote Originally Posted by Metis212 View Post
    Good lord. Personally, I think she let travis lay dead on the bathroom floor while she showered and changed clothing.
    I don't think she showered, not enough time because the room mate was due home any time. I think she used that bloody towel found in the washer to clean off any blood visible to her and possibly changed her clothes. If she had a black top on blood might not be visible,we know she had dark colored pants on. I think she beat feet out of that house as soon as she could . Curious as whether she showed up in Utah wearing braids? She had to have had blood in her hair. There is still some time missing in her story about driving from Mesa to West Jordan where Ryan Burns lived and she could have stopped to shower somewhere.

    We'll never know.


    Quote Originally Posted by Metis212 View Post
    In a perfect world, Jodi's parents would have insisted on treatment. Parents often ignore signs that their teen is in trouble. The shame and the stigma associated with mental illness is so pervasive that people avoid therapy for themselves or their family members at all costs. i cant tell you the numbers of parents whose son or daughter have a first psychotic break and the parent prefers that the kid has a brain tumor or smoked some bad weed.

    In that same perfect world, Travis would have sought treatment, too. There is no shame in admitting there is an obstacle in your path that you can't get around no matter what you try.

    So, as an educator you can teach that therapy is a good thing.
    Even Matt McCartney, dirt bag though he is, called her Mom and told her that Stabby needed help after he called a hotline and they suggested she might be might be bi-polar based on what he reported. After she moved back to Yreka it doesn't appear that her her family attempted to get her any help. Her sister, Angela, was having problems at time too and ended up in rehab either just before she was arrested or shortly after. Her youngest brother was posting on facebook not long ago that he a prescription for good old medical Mary Jane (weed).

    Quite frankly, I think her family was afraid of her.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harlette View Post
    i just can't keep track of her stories - i thought the bmw trans was ruined and the ifinity was repoed - but the mom in the interrogation she said that jodi got a flat on the way riverdise burial, no spare so bought a tire, bought one and it was the wrong size and that caused her transmission to break?? which i don't think can cause that - but would that be the infinity or bmw??

    and also the mom said when grandma's house was robbed jodi said she was in hilt w/ her sis to visit and monestary but the dad told flores that jdoi said she had to go to medford oregon that day

    plus it sounds like her mom was giving money right and left to support her, especially in mesa, even spending $2500 to pay for her moving back (and storing her stuff) to yreka - so i don't think they are quite as poor as she claimed - but it did sounded like dad might have cut her of and refused to help w/ an atty - i get the feeling dad isn't really a jodi supporter
    Her defense at this point has cost well over a million dollars.

    The BMW was in a storage lot somewhere in or near Mesa after she wrecked it. She took the Infiniti back to Yreka with her. On the bank statement that JM used to nail her on her 3rd gas purchase in Salt Lake City it did show a payment for a tire repair/tire shop from somewhere either near or in Sacramento. She gave the Infiniti back to the bank or they repo'd it sometime after that and before she was arrested.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freaktab View Post
    Maybe there was no way that Travis was going to get out of this alive and that Stabby was going to kill him no matter what, but damn.... It certainly becomes a cautionary tale if nothing else.
    I believe that she started plotting to kill TA as she pulled out of Mesa driving that U-Haul.

    She was already in a emotional/financial downward spiral when she met TA. She was putting 3k mortgage payments on her credit cards. Darryl wanted to move back to the Monterey area to be closer to his son, and thereby his ex wife. He didn't want any more kids. She was losing her house. Then she meets TA, a young, handsome, successful guy with an active lifestyle. He owned a nice house, a nice car, had lot's of friends, traveled a lot. She must have thought she hit the lotto.

    She could picture herself as his wife with all the benefits of his lifestyle. She could quit working shitty jobs for little pay. She wouldn't have to worry about going back to her drab dreary life in Yreka.

    Then it all fell apart. The absolute rage she must have felt, at knowing that she wasn't holding the winning lottery ticket, having to sleep on a borrowed futon. Knowing that all of her friends in Mesa and in PPL but one or two were actually TA's friends.

    Quote Originally Posted by songbirdsong View Post
    I've probably said this a million times...but I still hope we'll see a Primal Fear-esque meltdown.
    Quote Originally Posted by ImBatman! View Post
    You missed my.."but, but, but I really wanna see a FREAK OUT' comment. I doubt she will though unless she is provoked in some way as someone else suggested. We may see one at the reading of the verdict though. Jodi is unpredictable!
    Most of us are hoping for a stun belt demonstration

    Quote Originally Posted by alyoop View Post
    I just heard defense has filed NEW motion to get this new witness to be able to testify that Travis would NOT have been incapacitated by the bullet...How is it possible for a clinical psychologist to rebut the ME, an MD? How can he expand on what he is brought in to talk about, the BPD? The law confuses me. The defense confuses me. They take 5 days off, overload on TV watching (where every attorney on HLN says, "how could they NOT bring their own ME?") and NOW want to refute ME testimony???? Bizarre
    Quote Originally Posted by *crickets* View Post
    Sneakerz the Wondersleuth, I am waiting for an update on the hearing today about using the psychologist to opine on brain function after a GSW to the face...specifically how he would be qualified to do that. Still say if they want to go down that road they would need to have a neurologist or neurosurgeon.

    Will the hearing have cameras/press present or is it closed-door? Waiting patiently to hear from you...
    No cameras It's in Judge's chambers. The Sate filed this today

    4/29/2013 LOW - List Of Witnesses/Exhibit/Evidence - Party (001) 4/30/2013
    NOTE: STATE'S SEVENTEENTH SUPPLEMENTAL LIST OF WITNESSES

    Don't know if that's for the possible aggravation phase or possible mitigation phase or if it's in response to the defense fuckery filed yesterday

    4/27/2013 NOT - Notice - Party (001) 4/29/2013
    NOTE: NOTICE OF ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY RE: SURREBUTTAL WITNESS


    Quote Originally Posted by Metis212 View Post
    Perhaps, you might want to g**gle neuropsychologist? Or traumatic brain injury? There is a big misunderstanding here about which profession is able to discern brain functioning. Its making me crazy! The american board of psychiatry and neurology certify both MD's and PhD's.
    Perhaps Dr Geffner can explain this:

    Dr. Geffner states "female abusers compensate for size differential with guns & knives"

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    During the interrogation of jodi's mom, she talks about a discussion she had with Jodi about suicide. She says she told her that she could not bear the thought and that just as Travis' family was distraught over his death they would be hurt also, only more than travis' family! (Paraphrased). She does give a half hearted attempt at correcting it by saying something to the effect of her not knowing how bad their pain was. Who would ever let those words exit their mouth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brillig View Post
    I found that moment in the interrogation to be SO revealing of Jodi's true self. I read it as her attempting to find out what the "correct response" was in that situation, what response a normal human would be likely to have. She would be glad to supply it, she just could not figure out what it was, so she was asking Detective Flores for hints. I think Jodi had gone through her extensive mental Rolodex of potential responses, and since she had never been in a similar situation before, the card with the "how normal people act when being questioned as a murder suspect" was blank. She had no genuine response, because she is a sociopath (imo).
    Totally agree 100% with this. It reminds me of the 'dead Travis photo trigger' she has going on in court. It's as if every time she seems one of those pics thrown up on the screen she immediately knows its her cue to bury her head and try to get some real water works going. She had no such trigger in the interrogation room. I think she is a "this that" lol. She has a touch of this and a lot of that lol. Like a psychopath she feels basic primitive emotion such as rage, anger, jealousy, hate, and love, just not higher level emotions such as empathy, remorse or guilt. Definitely also signs of anti-social personality disorder and BPD as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheesh View Post
    One who has no sense of self, no depth of real emotion, and a need to control. It's the ultimate in mirroring, which Jodi is so very adept at. (See the interrogation tapes -- "How am I acting that makes you think I'm involved? Is it because I'm not crying?")

    Jodi thinks, "I want her life, I'm going to take it." But she does not know how to just "be" -- so she molds herself to be someone else.

    No way, no how Metis. You're always at the top of my rep list, and your insights help drive this discussion in a productive direction.
    So true. How does a woman allow this to happen? How do you eat an elephant? -- one bite at a time. The first red flags don't always look that way at the time to those women who have been preconditioned for and were not educated about abuse.

    You've hit on the important point -- this is a dynamic, an attraction between two types that should not be together. We see it in addiction treatment, where you put a borderline type female in the room with a "white knight" type codependant -- if you leave the room those two will be so magnetically attracted to each other they'll be having sex in no time. Sometimes called a train-wreck relationship -- or my favorite, "alcoholics(personality type) don't have relationships, we take hostages".

    It's an immediate immersion relationship that's highly addictive to the borderline's partner -- because when a BPD loves you, they really love & worship & boost you up. Nothing more attractive to a man than a smiling woman who's crazy(no pun intended) about him. So how to avoid these pairings? Don't think you can. But let's realize that the overwhelming majority of BPDs do not have the accompanying sociopathic traits that Jodi has. BPDs typically harm themselves, not others.

    My borderline -- so odd to type that -- controlled her household as an adolescent and was intent on getting out of that house as soon as she could. Her (adoptive (yeah, I know, I know)) parents didn't have a chance. Deep down she knew something was off, but she was too afraid to discover what that might be. The fact that she was the most strikingly beautiful redhead I've ever seen anywhere allowed her to attach to men easily, and thus avoid having to address her problems.

    It saddens me to think about these broken people. And my heart breaks for the man Travis was and could have become.
    Quote Originally Posted by zeebee View Post
    This in one of the red flags I look for. If the person is overly into you and starts talking about marriage a week after having met you, is showering you with compliments, etc. RUN THE OTHER WAY.

    It's heady and hard to resist when someone is paying you that much attention, but normal people won't do that. Good relationships grow more gradually.
    I think Stabby's family was afraid of her, her Mom and Dad kind of imply it with out actually saying it.

    When Demarte testified about Stabby dying her blond, getting the boob job and then the same kind of car as Darryl's ex wife that was new information. It was very creeepy.

    Alyce apparently ignored all of that, despite it showing a pattern.

    I went on a blind date with a guy once and we met for dinner. Before we'd even had our entrees he said to me "So now that you're my girlfriend", I made a trip to the Ladies room and arranged an "emergency" phone call. Five minutes after I returned to table the call came and I left. That was my last blind date

    My heart also breaks for the man Travis was and could have become, he had overcome so much already.


    Quote Originally Posted by Metis212 View Post
    I spent the last 2 days digging into the scientific literature concerning lying and amnesia in criminal cases. Since people who commit violent crimes lie, I wanted to know what an "expert witness" could know to decide if the perpetrator is lying. I've come to the conclusion that none of the experts did a good job. Demarte did the minimum, the others didn't do anything.

    There are a few tests beyond the WRAT which are able to determine whether or not crime-related amnesia is bs or not. Apparently, there is something called a "red out". A "red out" would mean that Jodi experienced rage to such a degree that she developed memory loss of her criminal act(s). The red out idea is well-accepted in the neuropsychological literature and it has been around since 1999.

    Over the past two years or so, the idea of a red-out has been called into question. The rationale for questioning a "red-out" validity is a). it only requires extreme emotional arousal and b). it goes against a well-established memory principle that people remember actions better than concepts and c). people remember their own actions better than the actions of others and d). intense emotions enhance rather than erode memory encoding. In addition to these 4 points, it is well accepted that suppression of emotional memory only make that memory hyper-accessible.

    A psychologist can screen for malingered amnesia. Malingering in this situation has as its secondary gain the desire to reduce criminal responsibility. To screen and test for malingering a two pronged approach is needed; 1). deliberate cognitive underperformance and 2). symptom exaggeration are evaluated using separate tests.

    Deliberate underperformance can be shown by using Amsterdam Short Term Memory test (ASTM) and the Test of Memory Malingering (ToMM; Tombaugh, 1996). To assess symptom exaggeration psychologists can use the Structured Inventory of Malingered Symptomatology (SIMS) and the MMPI-2 validity scales.

    Demarte used the WRAT and the MMPI. This says to me, that the defense has blocked any effort to decide if Jodi is lying.
    This says to me, that the defense has blocked any effort to decide if Jodi is lying.
    Because they know. Nurmi knows she forged the pedo letters. They didn't want it in a report or in an experts notes because then they'd have to disclose it to the state.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brillig View Post
    I found that moment in the interrogation to be SO revealing of Jodi's true self. I read it as her attempting to find out what the "correct response" was in that situation, what response a normal human would be likely to have. She would be glad to supply it, she just could not figure out what it was, so she was asking Detective Flores for hints. I think Jodi had gone through her extensive mental Rolodex of potential responses, and since she had never been in a similar situation before, the card with the "how normal people act when being questioned as a murder suspect" was blank. She had no genuine response, because she is a sociopath (imo).
    She copies emotions like she copies her drawings. She can trace them but there's still something not quite right about them.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChelseyDawn View Post
    No sawing, just a quick motion. He mentioned that he knew that because there were no “hesitation marks”

    Anyone know if today’s hearing will be aired? Or is it closed? Also, what time is it scheduled at? TIA!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakers the Wonder Dog View Post
    A sweet little song bird has informed me they have access to Lexis Nexis will do a search on Geffner for us!
    I don't think she showered, not enough time because the room mate was due home any time. I think she used that bloody towel found in the washer to clean off any blood visible to her and possibly changed her clothes. If she had a black top on blood might not be visible,we know she had dark colored pants on. I think she beat feet out of that house as soon as she could . Curious as whether she showed up in Utah wearing braids? She had to have had blood in her hair. There is still some time missing in her story about driving from Mesa to West Jordan where Ryan Burns lived and she could have stopped to shower somewhere.

    We'll never know.




    Even Matt McCartney, dirt bag though he is, called her Mom and told her that Stabby needed help after he called a hotline and they suggested she might be might be bi-polar based on what he reported. After she moved back to Yreka it doesn't appear that her her family attempted to get her any help. Her sister, Angela, was having problems at time too and ended up in rehab either just before she was arrested or shortly after. Her youngest brother was posting on facebook not long ago that he a prescription for good old medical Mary Jane (weed).

    Quite frankly, I think her family was afraid of her.



    Her defense at this point has cost well over a million dollars.

    The BMW was in a storage lot somewhere in or near Mesa after she wrecked it. She took the Infiniti back to Yreka with her. On the bank statement that JM used to nail her on her 3rd gas purchase in Salt Lake City it did show a payment for a tire repair/tire shop from somewhere either near or in Sacramento. She gave the Infiniti back to the bank or they repo'd it sometime after that and before she was arrested.



    I believe that she started plotting to kill TA as she pulled out of Mesa driving that U-Haul.

    She was already in a emotional/financial downward spiral when she met TA. She was putting 3k mortgage payments on her credit cards. Darryl wanted to move back to the Monterey area to be closer to his son, and thereby his ex wife. He didn't want any more kids. She was losing her house. Then she meets TA, a young, handsome, successful guy with an active lifestyle. He owned a nice house, a nice car, had lot's of friends, traveled a lot. She must have thought she hit the lotto.

    She could picture herself as his wife with all the benefits of his lifestyle. She could quit working shitty jobs for little pay. She wouldn't have to worry about going back to her drab dreary life in Yreka.

    Then it all fell apart. The absolute rage she must have felt, at knowing that she wasn't holding the winning lottery ticket, having to sleep on a borrowed futon. Knowing that all of her friends in Mesa and in PPL but one or two were actually TA's friends.





    Most of us are hoping for a stun belt demonstration





    No cameras It's in Judge's chambers. The Sate filed this today

    4/29/2013 LOW - List Of Witnesses/Exhibit/Evidence - Party (001) 4/30/2013
    NOTE: STATE'S SEVENTEENTH SUPPLEMENTAL LIST OF WITNESSES

    Don't know if that's for the possible aggravation phase or possible mitigation phase or if it's in response to the defense fuckery filed yesterday

    4/27/2013 NOT - Notice - Party (001) 4/29/2013
    NOTE: NOTICE OF ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY RE: SURREBUTTAL WITNESS




    Perhaps Dr Geffner can explain this:

    Dr. Geffner states "female abusers compensate for size differential with guns & knives"

    I can't believe this guy is putting it all on the line for Jodi. How would he feel if Jodi was let loose because of him? She's obviously deranged, and I believe she'd do it again. Lets just say she was telling the truth (yes, I realize she is full of it), and she went into a fog, then massacred him, without knowing anything about it. What's to say that she wouldn't go into another 'fog' and killed some more people?
    :o)

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    Quote Originally Posted by lorizfree View Post
    I can't believe this guy is putting it all on the line for Jodi. How would he feel if Jodi was let loose because of him? She's obviously deranged, and I believe she'd do it again. Lets just say she was telling the truth (yes, I realize she is full of it), and she went into a fog, then massacred him, without knowing anything about it. What's to say that she wouldn't go into another 'fog' and killed some more people?
    I think she was about to slip into another fog right before she was arrested! Dr. Geffner will regret testifying for Jodi. I guess misery loves company and AL and DS will be there for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brillig View Post
    I found that moment in the interrogation to be SO revealing of Jodi's true self. I read it as her attempting to find out what the "correct response" was in that situation, what response a normal human would be likely to have. She would be glad to supply it, she just could not figure out what it was, so she was asking Detective Flores for hints. I think Jodi had gone through her extensive mental Rolodex of potential responses, and since she had never been in a similar situation before, the card with the "how normal people act when being questioned as a murder suspect" was blank. She had no genuine response, because she is a sociopath (imo).
    What is fascinating is this intelligent woman was unable to figure out that crying would be appropriate. I mean, how difficult is that? But she was truly dumbfounded.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakers the Wonder Dog View Post
    I went on a blind date with a guy once and we met for dinner. Before we'd even had our entrees he said to me "So now that you're my girlfriend", I made a trip to the Ladies room and arranged an "emergency" phone call. Five minutes after I returned to table the call came and I left. That was my last blind date
    Oh, come on Sneakers ..... I was kidding! I didn't mean it literally. Yet.

    How about we start over -- dinner Saturday, then a trip to Vegas and the Graceland Wedding Chapel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lorizfree View Post
    I highly doubt they're going to be finished with testimony tomorrow. The defense is going to drag it out as long as possible.
    They'd better bring their sleeping bags and jammies, then. The judge said they would stay in the courtroom until they were done. I think she was giving both sides a heads up that they WILL get this finished. They can't risk dragging it out any longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cara View Post
    Even Matt McCartney, dirt bag though he is, called her Mom and told her that Stabby needed help after he called a hotline and they suggested she might be might be bi-polar based on what he reported. After she moved back to Yreka it doesn't appear that her her family attempted to get her any help.
    There is really only so much you can to to help someone with emotional problems. My brother is an alcoholic and my parents tried for YEARS to get him help or get him to try to want to help himself. they went to a counselor to see what they could do to help him. The counselor said "I can't help him, he's not here. But I can help YOU". They eventually had to cut him off after two attempts at rehab (I suspect that he only went because he was homeless and they told him that they wouldn't help him monetarily unless he went through rehab).

    He's still and alcoholic and a drug addict and both of my parents are now dead. But they tried everything that they could to help him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cara View Post
    I wonder if the throat cut was made in one slice, or if maybe there was a bit of sawing back and forth. I know it sounds really sick, I am just having a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that someone who has never killed before would be able to pull off such a violent motion without a glimmer of hesitation.

    I am going to go back and listen to the testimony of the ME again, but I don't know if it was mentioned.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tia111 View Post
    During the interrogation of jodi's mom, she talks about a discussion she had with Jodi about suicide. She says she told her that she could not bear the thought and that just as Travis' family was distraught over his death they would be hurt also, only more than travis' family! (Paraphrased). She does give a half hearted attempt at correcting it by saying something to the effect of her not knowing how bad their pain was. Who would ever let those words exit their mouth?
    A parent who is grieving and in pain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cara View Post
    RE juror #8, I think he was let go for mentioning he was on the jury; he might have been running off at the mouth about the trial, and the officer had to come in to report what he said. He was arrested for Extreme DUI, not just DUI. AZ has just about the strictest DUI laws in the country. JM is not the boss of his office and does not handle DUI cases. Talking about the case and what was said is what I think got him removed.
    He is fuuuuuucked. He will do some jail time and will have to have a, ignition interlock device placed in his car (at his expense), court ordered counseling (which he will have to pay for) - not to mention all of the fines involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karlita View Post
    Has anyone seen the new article that Blink on Crime has up regarding this case??? I read over it quickly and I think she is trying to say that the sex pics from the murder day were not taken that day and she is referring to it as the candy sex escapade even going so far as to say that in ja's nude vag pic that the tootsie pop can be seen.......I could have read it wrong but I think that is what she is conveying in the article. Sorry I dont know how to link and you all know I dont post much but thought it was interesting what she is saying. Website is www.blinkoncrime.com, if anyone else has read it can you please tell me if you think the same as what I do??
    Hi, everyone. I've been away for a week or so, and I'm back today checking in to see what's been going on here on MDS. I can't believe you all keep the conversation going even when there's no trial...OMG, was there a lot of posts to wade through! Anyway, this one caught my eye, and I clicked over to the link. Very interesting read, and I'm curious about it, so I started looking around (not at her vag, but at her hair that day). We just saw evidence last week of Jodi's hair taken on June 3, 2008. It is attached (hope this works).



    A pic supposedly taken from the camera memory card shows her hair a little different on June 4, 2008...in fact if you look close, you will see a bit of blonde hair in the front (see the piece that is falling down into her eyes??)



    It does not look that light in the June 3rd pic....because she had supposedly just gotten it darkened. So why is it still showing a lighter orangey color on June 4th? Could it be that the memory card found in the bottom of the waster was NOT used on June 4th from a sexual tryst that happened that day, but something that Travis uploaded to his camera memory card, as the Blink on Crime author notes? Isn't that possible?

    We've all been asking why did Travis allow Jodi into his home on June 4th, why did he have sex with her that day...when he knew she was a sociopath, and the worst thing that had ever happened to him? Well, maybe he didn't. Maybe she really did sneak inside that day/night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cara View Post
    I wonder if the throat cut was made in one slice, or if maybe there was a bit of sawing back and forth. I know it sounds really sick, I am just having a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that someone who has never killed before would be able to pull off such a violent motion without a glimmer of hesitation.

    I am going to go back and listen to the testimony of the ME again, but I don't know if it was mentioned.
    Cara, I apoligize. I quoted you above but didn't reply. What I meant to say was that IMHO, she was in a rage, which is why there was no hesitation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bermstalker View Post
    Travis and Jodi were playing two different games. Jodi just didn't tell Travis the rules of her game.
    Travis wanted a "friend with benefits" and Jodi led Travis to believe she wanted that too. That has been proven in court.
    Travis believed Jodi and him were in agreement about the "friend with benefits" until they each found another person.

    That is a girl pretending to play the same game as the guy. Travis was very clear that they were friends with benefits. Jodi was very clear that she understood and agreed with that AND went along with that. In reality, Jodi was not. She was scheming to be a permanent fixture in Travis' life. Jodi was probably very good at telling people what they wanted to hear. She knew in the sex tape call that Travis didn't want to marry her-which is why she mentions how their kids can play together one day. I even doubt now they were ever "official" boyfriend and girlfriend.



    Yes! I agree.
    Berm, SO agree! I don't even think Travis was aware that he was engaged in such a serious mind game with her. LDS reach out to others to share their religion and bringing in a new member would have been something very normal for Travis. He never saw that, in Jodi's case, that is was a step toward her goal of saturating herself right into his life.
    I dated someone who was a master manipulator. He had addictions, and all of the personality traits that go along with it. I, never having known a hard-core addict, was totally taken in by him. He was a writer, a master with words, and he compartmentalized everything quite efficiently....I never knew all that was going on, right under my nose. I am not a stupid person, yet I was totally taken in by his lies. Manipulators have a way of turning everything around, and have you questioning your own ability to think and reason. They convince you that they are THE one that you need in your life, so you stick with it, even if everyone under the sun is telling you this is a BAD BAD choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doll-Face View Post
    Hi, everyone. I've been away for a week or so, and I'm back today checking in to see what's been going on here on MDS. I can't believe you all keep the conversation going even when there's no trial...OMG, was there a lot of posts to wade through! Anyway, this one caught my eye, and I clicked over to the link. Very interesting read, and I'm curious about it, so I started looking around (not at her vag, but at her hair that day). We just saw evidence last week of Jodi's hair taken on June 3, 2008. It is attached (hope this works).



    A pic supposedly taken from the camera memory card shows her hair a little different on June 4, 2008...in fact if you look close, you will see a bit of blonde hair in the front (see the piece that is falling down into her eyes??)



    It does not look that light in the June 3rd pic....because she had supposedly just gotten it darkened. So why is it still showing a lighter orangey color on June 4th? Could it be that the memory card found in the bottom of the waster was NOT used on June 4th from a sexual tryst that happened that day, but something that Travis uploaded to his camera memory card, as the Blink on Crime author notes? Isn't that possible?

    We've all been asking why did Travis allow Jodi into his home on June 4th, why did he have sex with her that day...when he knew she was a sociopath, and the worst thing that had ever happened to him? Well, maybe he didn't. Maybe she really did sneak inside that day/night.
    The top picture was recovered from her Helio phone. The bottom photo was from the memory card in the washing machine. So, two different devices. Plus, the lighting is vastly different. The one of her in the car has a lot of natural daylight. The one in the bedroom would have been filtered, indirect lighting. The top photo is probably the most accurate of the true color of her hair at that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnieBelle View Post
    The top picture was recovered from her Helio phone. The bottom photo was from the memory card in the washing machine. So, two different devices. Plus, the lighting is vastly different. The one of her in the car has a lot of natural daylight. The one in the bedroom would have been filtered, indirect lighting. The top photo is probably the most accurate of the true color of her hair at that time.
    The photos pulled off of TA's camera were all enhanced as well, so the color was different. Flores mentioned that in one of the interrogation tapes.

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    It does not look that light in the June 3rd pic....because she had supposedly just gotten it darkened. So why is it still showing a lighter orangey color on June 4th? Could it be that the memory card found in the bottom of the waster was NOT used on June 4th from a sexual tryst that happened that day, but something that Travis uploaded to his camera memory card, as the Blink on Crime author notes? Isn't that possible?
    Most digital images contain metadata embedded within the file which tells the date/time from when the photo was taken.

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    [QUOTE=Poppycock;3404548]Possibly, and I think his vena cava as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by *crickets* View Post
    But, we do know what Det. Flores testified to at the 2009 hearing, because he was cross examined about it by Nurmi on day 5 of the trial. It's all there, day 5 part two, starting at 58:00 minutes (David Lohr's edited youtube video). Det. Flores spoke to Dr. Horne the day before the hearing and testified at the hearing that Dr. Horne's opinion was that the GSW could have been first and that TA could have been conscious after the GSW. Martinez was there representing the State and did not dispute this. The judge's ruling that I quoted bears that out. Horne's opinion changed.

    And I have read the ME report. It says: "The wound track perforates the anterior frontal skull near the superior orbital bone and transverses the right anterior fossa without gross evidence of significant intracranial hemorrhage or apparent cerebral injury (although the exam of brain tissue is somewhat limited by the decomposed nature of the remains"). Nothing about wound sequence or immediate incapacitation because those things would be speculation and not part of an autopsy report.
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    I have outed my self as a gunshot first believer, and it feels good! There are others that are staying low key about it based on the private responses I have received. The hearing in 09 was during the ninja story. When she went with SD, the theory changed. Because if the ME were to say that it is possible to still function after the GS, then any juror buying her defense could believe that he was still a threat after she shot him and still needed to defend herself. It could go both ways. They could also deduce that shooting him while sitting in the shower was NOT SD. And that she planned to continue the attack there, but he did crawl out and momentarily get up and Horne never definitively said that would be impossible because there are other instances of it.

    Shower door is closed on the face shot, opened in the shot 70 seconds later. Who opened it? Why would he open it while still seated? How could she stab his VC from the side? Even peripheral vision would show something coming at you and you would go for the block.

    If you think I am beating a dead horse, okay, but I think I am discussing what a juror may think. Because others have indicated to me they think the same. And in the end it does not matter because this scenario still portrays premeditation. I think the State should have stuck with it, but they did not want anyone to conclude she was still defending herself w/knife.

    Bullet casing on blood helps state; but it could have dropped from counter or been kicked. That I must say is the one thing that makes me 1% think otherwise with the theory, but 100+% sure of premeditation.
    I posted a pic of the family home, it is comparable to Grandparent's home. It would not cost that much to drive a Uhaul 1k miles. More like under 1k.

    All his siblings had the same upbringing. I wonder if any of them needed therapy? They probably do after this though.

    RE juror #8, I think he was let go for mentioning he was on the jury; he might have been running off at the mouth about the trial, and the officer had to come in to report what he said. He was arrested for Extreme DUI, not just DUI. AZ has just about the strictest DUI laws in the country. JM is not the boss of his office and does not handle DUI cases. Talking about the case and what was said is what I think got him removed.
    Re: Juror #8 - It's not that JM would have prosecuted him, it's the fact that he would be deciding on evidence provided by police officers and the State's prosecutor when he could be tried by the State's prosecutor office and have evidence presented in court by police officers in his own case. He was removed because that could possibly cause a prejudice against the State.

    The shower door was open during the "photo shoot". What people see as the door is actually water on or reflecting on the camera lens.

    The crime scene pics/blood spatter, the location of the bullet casing, the blood at the sink tell the story.

    It's my firm belief that she stabbed while he was seated, naked and defenseless in the shower, the vena cava wound coming first. As he tried to leave the shower she was slashing at him, he gets the defensive wounds on his hands and as he was at the sink literally coughing up blood she's stabbing at his back and his head, he tries to escape down the hallway she's still trying to bring him down. She slashed at his legs/feet and possibly stomped on them. As he collapses and slides against the lower part of the wall where the blood smear is and where the hallway enters the bedroom, she reaches with the knife and slashes his throat.

    She didn't want to risk the sound of a gunshot but as she got his body into the bathroom his body made a noise, possibly air escaping from his lungs from the throat wound and now she feels she has shoot him, to finally kill him.

    Then the scramble to get him in the shower,rinse his body, attempt to clean up any of her blood from the cut on her finger. I think the cup in the shower is what she used to take water to wherever she thought she had bled. There was no reason to use the cup to rinse his body because she could just turn on the shower. She used cup fulls of water and that bloody towel to try and mop up. That explains the water/blood marks on the box at the bottom of the closet.

    Thankfully she missed the palm print on the wall with her blood/DNA.


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    What is fascinating is this intelligent woman was unable to figure out that crying would be appropriate. I mean, how difficult is that? But she was truly dumbfounded.

    Oh, come on Sneakers ..... I was kidding! I didn't mean it literally. Yet.

    How about we start over -- dinner Saturday, then a trip to Vegas and the Graceland Wedding Chapel?
    It wasn't just her not crying, it was many things. Asking to see the pictures...repeatedly. Inserting herself into the investigation. Calling Flores repeatedly. Imagine what must have been going through her mind during the days prior to TA being discovered.

    She had no way of knowing that he wouldn't be discovered until the ninth. She killed him on the 4th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnieBelle View Post
    The top picture was recovered from her Helio phone. The bottom photo was from the memory card in the washing machine. So, two different devices. Plus, the lighting is vastly different. The one of her in the car has a lot of natural daylight. The one in the bedroom would have been filtered, indirect lighting. The top photo is probably the most accurate of the true color of her hair at that time.
    Quote Originally Posted by smurfy View Post
    The photos pulled off of TA's camera were all enhanced as well, so the color was different. Flores mentioned that in one of the interrogation tapes.
    Quote Originally Posted by PopRocks View Post
    Most digital images contain metadata embedded within the file which tells the date/time from when the photo was taken.
    The detective who recovered the photo testified about the imbedded info when the selfie pics from June 3 where introduced.

    JM wants to call Jill Hayes, Ph.D.Clinical, Forensic, and Neuropsychologist ( http://hayespsychology.com/ ) in sur sur rebuttal to Geffner if the Judge allows Geffner to testify about :

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freaktab View Post
    Honestly, I really believe that everyone can teach therapy is a good thing. I don't even think it has to be therapy all the time, fuck, it can be a trustworthy and non-judgmental friend. We are only as bad as the secrets we keep....

    Thank you for your opinion... I appreciate it!

    Also, therapy is far different than just sharing with a trusted friend. Sharing our issues is only half of the process.....learning what to DO with them, is the other half. Learning why we have them, in the first place, is also a necessary part of the journey. Travis did not have anyone who was capable of helping him to understand why his choices were not in his best interest. He took the concerns of his friends to be criticism, and so he kept the serious issues to himself, in fear of being judged. That meant a lot to him......what others thought of him. And, because of his shaky and dysfunctional childhood, it's easy to see why. Jodi, the master manipulator.....saw Travis, with his wounded soul....as the perfect prey.

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