Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[Cocopop]

(*Snipped*)
This is not going to be well-written narrative, but here goes from the beginning of the day, "The Aggravation Day."
I'll try to be more detailed in future. It's a long day.

More detailed??
For God's sake's, Ian, if you give any better of a description, I'd swear I was right there with you, myself.
Brilliant --- again, TY

[MadameX]

Wow! It's more than clear that Daniel Freeman would NOT want to do this! Hope he gets to say "Yeah! She duped my family for emotional support because Travis hated that she moved to Mesa! Oh yeah, and two years after she brutally murdered my friend, she used something I shared with her about my brother, while visiting her in Jail, and fraudulently used it as a false accusation against said friend, in an attempt to save her own ass"! I hope!

Wait, I must have missed that! What was the info Dan Freeman shared with her?

[denn]

Are you sure about this? I could have sworn I read that if the jury does not vote for DP, then it is the judge who decides either LWOP or the minimum (25 years) or above for M1.

I understood as this as well. If jury does not vote DP, judge sentences either LWOP or LWP.

[Brillig]

Hello Everyone! My daughter and I have been following this thread since February. I love your insights and humor. Also, we were so happy to see Ian and Denver on tv today. You guys are awesome!

Welcome, MomEof4 and her daughter!

Imagine my horror when I discovered my seat was directly behind JAs mom. On geeze. I was not ready to be in that close proximity to her. Right after entering I was looking at JA and she turned around in her chair to glance at her mom. Instead, she made direct eye contact with me. Holy shit. That was intense to me in that quick instant. She is evil.

Very creepy. You might have caught a micro-expression when her true self was showing. Not something I imagine you will ever forget. Chilling to see one with it's mask off, isn't it?

As JM got up JAs mom pulled out a notebook and started taking notes. The book was almost full double sided pages. Book deal in the future? I looked at her notes and it's lots of chicken scratch. It was so weird sitting so close to them.

So you were the one trying to see what she was writing! I bet it is some kind of book deal or interview deal. Otherwise all the note taking doesn't make much sense. While Jodi can't profit from her crime, I doubt there is anything barring her family from doing so. Since the family is allegedly poor, and now the father might not be able to work due to his illness, perhaps Jodi set it up for her mom to make money so someone will be putting money in her commissary account? I would not put it past Jodi to think of something like that. I think Jodi manipulates her mother extensively.

@maryellenabc15 33m

#jodiarias Defense listed Kim Ross - Fellow inmate & Patricia Womack as sentencing witnesses

Patricia Womack is known as Patti, she was in court when the sex tape was played, has appeared on NG and 20/20

Patti is the one who dresses very inappropriately for court and usually appears to be either high or drunk. If the only character witnesses she can get are drug addled Patti and a fellow jail inmate, Jodi is in deep doo doo.

[MadameX]

I understood as this as well. If jury does not vote DP, judge sentences either LWOP or LWP.

This is also what I think happens--although I don't think there is any way in hell this judge gives her the possibility of parole. JMO

[Brillig]

I just heard on HLN that they said she can still get 25 years. Can someone clarify this for me? My understanding was that since the jury found her guilty of 1st degree and aggravation, ti goes to :

1. DP
2. Life with parole
3. Life without parole.

So, apparently they can give her parole after 25 years? I am confused. I would not think that she is ever getting out if she is not put to death.

I believe the only way she can get possible parole is if the decision is left in the hands of the judge, who has the option of that sentence. But it is very unlikely to end up with the judge having to decide, and for all her bending over backwards for Jodi, I still don't think the judge would choose life with the possibility of parole.

Voila'--- Leopard lady--- this is the only reason why we refer to her as leopard lady, because she came to court as a spectator clad in this outfit, which at the time I thought was pretty hip of her, considering her age, I have since changed my mind since she is a tad bit Cuckoo

Cuckoo for Cocopops?

I have always thought the mitigation specialist looks and acts very unprofessional. When I first started watching the trial, I thought she was a friend who had somehow gotten permission to be near Jodi, for whatever reason. When I found out what her job is, I was stunned. Her look is inappropriate for the courtroom, and her behavior is disgusting.

I agree, her clothing, makeup and accessory choices are often wildly inappropriate for court. It not only makes her look unprofessional, but it reflects badly on her client as well, which is even worse. Her clients depend on her to try and help them avoid the death penalty, which is obviously a very serious matter. It is shocking to me that she would have so little respect for the solemnity of the court and her client (even if it is Jodi).

For example, today she was wearing numerous bangle bracelets on one arm, and a huge mod blingy wristwatch (similar to what Nurmi wears) on the other arm. While that might be an acceptable amount of arm jewelry for a Real Housewife of New Jersey, or a basketball wife, or a Tiajuana hooker, it was not appropriate for a serious professional in the courtroom. And last week (I think it might have been on verdict day), she was wearing what absolutely appeared to be a sleeveless bright red cocktail dress with black lace detailing.

Courts in my neck of the woods would not allow such dress, the chances of a judge speaking to her, possibly even in open court in front of everyone, about the need to dress professionally would be fairly high.

[Cocopop]

Wow! It's more than clear that Daniel Freeman would NOT want to do this! Hope he gets to say "Yeah! She duped my family for emotional support because Travis hated that she moved to Mesa! Oh yeah, and two years after she brutally murdered my friend, she used something I shared with her about my brother, while visiting her in Jail, and fraudulently used it as a false accusation against said friend, in an attempt to save her own ass"! I hope!
(*Snipped*)

Not sure if I am agreeing or disagreeing with you, but I think I am agreeing :P
The day the Freeman's took the stand for the defense & opened their mouths... I felt a sour bitter taste in mine.
It was totally apparent to me they were in total support of JA & showed little if any for Travis.
I feel the ONLY, absolute only, reason that Dan is now siding with the state, is because of the backlash, I am totally assuming he & his sister received from the public, maybe even family & friends. I hold no respect from either of them.

[AnnieBelle]

This is also what I think happens--although I don't think there is any way in hell this judge gives her the possibility of parole. JMO

The law varies from state to state, I know. In the state I live in, we don't have DP......Murder 1 carries an automatic sentence of LWOP. I assumed that, because the jury was deciding DP vs LWOP, the option of life with chance of parole would be off the table (and a slap in the face to the jury, if they've decided it's serious enough to warrant DP consideration) I think the Judge would catch hell if she went with the lesser option.

[Ian 1]

Thank you Ian and Denver for sharing your impressions/thoughts and experiences! We will wait for you get a rest to tell us the rest. Ian, we saw you peeping over Mama Arias's shoulder and we were all laughing our asses off! I thought I saw you stare down the beast today as well (Donavan)

Yep! Nothing of much value anywhere I looked in either direction. Donovan masticates continuously.

[AnnieBelle]

Not sure if I am agreeing or disagreeing with you, but I think I am agreeing :P
The day the Freeman's took the stand for the defense & opened their mouths... I felt a sour bitter taste in mine.
It was totally apparent to me they were in total support of JA & showed little if any for Travis.
I feel the ONLY, absolute only, reason that Dan is now siding with the state, is because of the backlash, I am totally assuming he & his sister received from the public, maybe even family & friends. I hold no respect from either of them.

I think Dan Freeman was truly fond of Jodi, before the murder of Travis. When he testified, I got the impression that it took him time to accept what she'd done, but I found his testimony to be very truthful. His sister, on the other hand, was a dimwit who seemed to show NO emotion. Very flat affect. I'm glad he has taken the stand on the side of Travis. He seems like the sort of guy who tries to see the best in everyone.....and there was none to be found with Jodi.

[Cocopop]

(*Snipped*)
Patti is the one who dresses very inappropriately for court and usually appears to be either high or drunk. If the only character witnesses she can get are drug addled Patti and a fellow jail inmate, Jodi is in deep doo doo.

So sorry... I know, I am being a serial poster & never ever wanted to bear that title.
So I will go to bed & stop for the night. But not before this one last comment.
I think if/when Patti takes the stand or wherever they make statement to the judge/jury to save the life of the monster JA, it will be a HUGE FAIL.
Remember when they had her on one of the HLN shows, on a phone interview? She could barely speak or put words into sentences & I can only imagine what she looked like & what expressions she wore.
So that in itself, will be comical to watch. And knowing that I will probably require a full box of kleenex while hearing Travis' family plead, the train wreck I am imagining w/ Patti, will lighten my day.

OK-- so goodnight y'all, sleep tight

[Jillee]

Far from unfazed. Barely mobile and not very coherent with a bullet in his cheek. Thus could not fend off the knife attack the way he would have if it was first. Doesn't matter where the knife was she had the time to get it because he was trying to figure out what happened. She mentioned he was screaming on all 4's during the ninja story. I believe he was screaming on all 4's from the bullet wound before he was able to stand and stagger to the sink. They actually had a forensic guy on HLN at 9:00 with that same theory. He could very well have uttered 'you effing bitch' or whatever she said, (that he said) on the stand as she was going for the knife (another case where it sounds like a lie but there could be truth to it).

Biggie? Am I allowed to rep you? Cause I really REALLY want to rep you so bad right now!

[Ian 1]

Finally. If I thanked you all individually, I'd be here for a good long time. So here it is to each and every one of you in one collective message. Thanks for appreciating the efforts Faq Brillig Denver and myself put in to keep everybody in the loop. I'm proud as hell to part of such a fine group of folks.

[I doubt it]

Juan better look out. The killer looks like she wants to go at his head with a knife. (or she's wants to go all Stabby on him) Which ever language you prefer.

[Jillee]

Yep, this interview was every crime reporter's dream. I just wish he could have been more skeptic and asked more incisive questions. He was "petting her in the back" and treating her like she was a victim of an unjust verdict.

The only problem I have with Troy was when he was asked in one of the interviews if he believed Jodi. He said "yes". That bugged me.

Thanks for all the kind comments about Ian and me.

You guys are Rock-a-licious! You surely know how to Rep-re-sent! Supper hugs to you!!

[Poppycock]

I don't think that's fair. Cause even the most typical non-assuming dresser can be an absolute psycho.

True. At least a lady dressed all in leopard print sends out a warning signal.

So fun to read that.Have a drink,chill,relax.Thank you.Still trying to figure out who Tiger Lily is :)

you can tell from her attire she is a "LIME light seeker". She was always trying to quiet everyone down and had many that responded exactly as Ian and DC did, and she likes to hobnob with KW and Stacy, I have pics of her with them in my album, which you can see by clicking on a photo.

The courtroom is enormous. You get no idea from TV.

OMG - Donovan. How can I describe her/him. It sat right in front of Ian. I cannot adequately describe her. I wonder if the JA family realizes how weird she is.

The Alexander family sat right across from me and I tell you their pain and sorrow is real genuine. JM is very attentative to them. Professional guy!

JW has nice legs but that's about it. Nurmi is.. Well, Nurmi. A giant. Reminds me of Golith. David is JM.

The mitigation specialist? How can I describe? Rode hard and put up wet? I don't know but I swear she reminds me or a Tijuana hooker. High heals? She must get nose bleed. Totally unprofessional appearance and demeanor.

The jury! First time I've seen them and from my seat they were all visible. Very ordinary looking folks probably overwhelmed by their responsibility. When JM speaks he has the attention of all jurors. It's impressive.

Next part to follow.

Nice reporting DC! (I added the photo of the defense trio from a couple weeks ago)

Guys! Well, I'm back sitting by the pool, reading all of your great posts. I thought I might put off reporting back to you until tomorrow, but after reading all that, my conscience wouldn't let me. Let's start at the end and then jump back to the beginning.

The interviews! Please! Stop with the praise. I plan on going back to court tomorrow a.m. and if you keep it up my head will be so swollen that I won't be able to get it through the courthouse door. The interview happened after lunch, while we were all waiting for the jury verdict on the cruelty. Denver and I went back up to the fifth floor and Tiger Lady, who fancies herself some sort of gatekeeper, kept coming up to us and warning us that she was going to report us to the bailiff's, or some such, 'cause we were in the press/family area. There are no rules against that, but she was making her own just to, I suppose, assert her status. I think she thought that we were trying to position ourselves to jump the line, (impossible to do) for the afternoon session, which in itself, if it happened, would only be a reading of the Jury Verdict on the Cruelty since they were in the process of deliberating. I invited her to come talk to the press with us as they had previously invited me to and she retreated. She was so aggravating, that we decided to just get away from her and go downstairs and wait it out in front of the building. Both Denver and I were of the opinion that it wouldn't be long. As soon as we came out of the front doors JVM was standing there. She approached us; asked us where we were from; how we got interested in the trial, etc. We told her that we met through a blog and that our meeting was arranged by another person who participated. JVM asked the name of the site and Denver told her it was MDS. JVM then asked us if we would do an interview, but that she couldn't mention the name of the blog. She also told us that she had lots of interviews in the can but that people were saying mostly the same things and she appreciated our different perspective from the few things we had said to her by way of introduction. Then she asked us to not say anything more 'till she got the cameras rolling 'cause she found that people never said things as well the second time and she wanted our fresh viewpoints on tape. We weren't all that enthusiastic about participating but I, for one, and I think Denver as well, thought of all you guys and thought we owed you one. So, we did that first clip and you saw it. Looks like we didn't bomb totally. When that was done, JVM asked us to stick around for a further interview closer to verdict time. So, a little while later, just before the verdict, we did the second. Our star turn was over. That was our star turn. We hung around on the steps for a little while longer and saw the Alexander family leave, in procession with a sheriff's deputy, followed by some other trial watchers. Wait for it! Tiger Lady was amongst the followers. I have to confess that I am a little apprehensive about what waits in store for them with their new 'close' friends but I suspect that when this is all over and they are able to return to their normal lives, (to the extent that even that's possible), they'll cull the herd or the herd will move on to other grazing sites.

Can I tell you the rest tomorrow? I mean from the beginning of the day up to the JVM interviews? I'm whacked and a good part of that is as a result of the release of the tension and excitement we experienced throughout the day. It was a good day. Truth won! Our truth won! Watching Justice at work, when it works, gives us that lump in our throats.

Better quit now!

Well I want you to get in so I won't make your head swell any more
I thought your second JVM interview was post verdict, or was that a third one? You got your feet wet the first time you were here with channel 3, you are a pro now!

[MadameX]

The only problem I have with Troy was when he was asked in one of the interviews if he believed Jodi. He said "yes". That bugged me.

I get that... although he does know she's guilty as sin. He said the other morning that he thinks there are two Jodis.

I just feel like he's probably a really nice guy (he was in all the interactions I've had with him) and easy prey for someone like Jodi. She saw him coming for miles away. He was an easy target and she knew he'd throw softballs at her in an interview. She manipulated him.

Don't forget--Travis believed in Jodi, too. Sadly, that's why we're all here...

[Jillee]

I get that... although he does know she's guilty as sin. He said the other morning that he thinks there are two Jodis.

I just feel like he's probably a really nice guy (he was in all the interactions I've had with him) and easy prey for someone like Jodi. She saw him coming for miles away. He was an easy target and she knew he'd throw softballs at her in an interview. She manipulated him.

Don't forget--Travis believed in Jodi, too. Sadly, that's why we're all here...

Absolutely! I totally get that. It was just that she had gone on and on about Travis' abuse and threw in the pedo stuff to boot. That was the first thing I thought of when Troy was asked if he believed her. I'm positive he doesn't believe that part of her story- (if any) I just wish he would have been a bit clearer on what part he "believed". That, "yes" answer kinda stung.
I also think Jodi has a crush on him (Who wouldn't?! The guy is a hottie biscotti!) and that had to have helped his access to her a bit. He lobbed soft questions to her, I'm sure, because he didn't want to ruin a good thing, and keep the love going between them. (Her perceived love). I'm ok with the whole interview. The only part that kinda stung me was that "yes" answer.

[TMY1]

Thank you Ian and Denver for sharing your impressions/thoughts and experiences! We will wait for you get a rest to tell us the rest. Ian, we saw you peeping over Mama Arias's shoulder and we were all laughing our asses off! I thought I saw you stare down the beast today as well (Donavan)

Did Ian actually try to stare back as Donavan, the Lumberjack, eye-fucked him?!! Be careful Ian! She is known in the "joint" as someone fluent in both "pitching" and "catching" so stay safe! Also, thanks for the info!

[Saffron]

You could make an argument for the gun shot being first. A gun is quicker and cleaner, and you don't have to get up close in contact. And the argument is, if you have a gun why bother with a knife? Perhaps the gun jams.

But, the problem I have is with the ME's report. The lack of blood in the head leading to the lack of hemorrhaging. It obviously penetrated his face, his skull, and had to have been deflected by hitting his brain in order to reflect back through the skull cavity and lodge in the cheek. The brain had to deflect the bullet because otherwise the path would've been straight through front-to-back; that didn't happen.

Sure it could be argued that depending on how much damage the bullet did, he could still be conscious and functional for a while; although that's not what the ME believes.

And while it's reasonable to ask "why use a knife when you have a gun?" I think it's reasonable to ask, "why even bring a knife if you have a gun?" And since she brought the knife as well, we have to believe she was prepared to and willing to use it; which of course she did.

Why use a knife instead of a gun? Many reasons:

- A knife doesn't make a loud "BANG" that could alert the neighbors who might then call 9-1-1.

- A knife doesn't have to be properly loaded; it doesn't have a safety that you know how to use; you don't have to know how to chamber rounds; a knife doesn't have a recoil; a knife doesn't run out of "ammo".

- A gun shot is potentially quickly fatal; whereas a knife let's her take out her rage in making him hurt while she stabs him 2+ dozen times. I will never believe that Jodi wanted Travis to die quick and relatively painlessly. She wanted to rant at him and blame him, and punish him. A knife works better for that.

- It's believable that she thought a couple of stabs, while he was in a confined space, would disable him to the point where he could not fight back, but that he would linger and suffer while she verbally assaulted him. It seems reasonable that a person would believe that a knife wound to major artery connecting to the heart would quickly disable a person from being able to fight back or even just defend himself.

So, an argument could be made for both methods. I go with the knife wound first for several reasons mentioned above; because she wanted it to be personal; because she thought it would be a disabling wound; because she was fearful someone would hear a shot; and because she wanted him to linger and suffer, both for the pain it caused him and so that she could rant how it was all his fault. Throw in the ME's report and the bullet casing and I believe the gun shot came last, and was the last straw for her , noise be damned, because he just wouldn't die.

So well thought out and, sadly, probably true.

Even if she got the knife from Travis' house, she still had it on her person prior to initiating the crime. And if you believe the gun shot came first, Jodi still had the knife with her in the bathroom even though she had the gun. Why? Because she was prepared to use it, even though she had a gun.

Whether it's his knife or her knife, doesn't change my "argument". It would be a different story if there was time during the attack that she ran downstairs to grab the knife. But, then you run into another problem. If we believe the shot is first and Jodi didn't have the knife on-hand, then Jodi has to run downstairs and back upstairs to continue to attack a man who would have allegedly been shot in the face, yet unfazed by it. If Travis is mobile and coherent, and Jodi runs down to get a knife, then doesn't Travis run to his room and pick up his phone? Doesn't he get dressed? Wouldn't he have been able to run down the stairs after her?

That knife was in the bathroom -- regardless of whose knife it was -- because she was prepared to use it.

I also tend to believe that she did in fact bring the knife because of the fact that when she tried to run, she had 2 knives in the car.

You could certainly argue that the knife was a backup plan, but, I think it takes a lot more for a person to stab a person (especially that many times, slit a throat etc), than it does to pull a trigger and walk away. Stabbing would be a more visceral experience I would think.

I also think she got off on using that knife to brutally torture him. I think she enjoyed it in a way that a gun shot wouldn't do. Using her hands to snuff out his life. How much more personal of way is there to kill a person than stabbing and slicing?

She wasn't traumatized by what she did, she didn't regret it. She reveled in it. She wanted to relive it. She wanted to see those pictures because she enjoyed her handiwork.

Shooting someone is something that most people could probably do, if they had to, as in self-defense or defense of others. I think there are very few people out there though, who could stab a person to death. Much less anyways, in comparison.

This is so well thought out. The details are convincing and I agree with all of your points.

For some reason, Donovan's head looked HUGE in the trial footage, today. I noticed that you guys were sitting right behind her....bet you all found it hard to control your lust?
I have always thought the mitigation specialist looks and acts very unprofessional. When I first started watching the trial, I thought she was a friend who had somehow gotten permission to be near Jodi, for whatever reason. When I found out what her job is, I was stunned. Her look is inappropriate for the courtroom, and her behavior is disgusting. The worst moment was when she burst into laughter at one of JM's questions....the day that the judge admonished everyone in the courtroom for their outburst. Then again, the defense team behaved improperly throughout the trial, as well. What a bunch! Thank you for the awesome updates!!

This reminder of that outburst reminds me of how arrogant Jodi, the mitigation specialist, and LaViolette all seemed during that part of the trial. Contrary to what they probably thought, their condescending attitudes toward Juan were only making Jodi look even more unlikeable, and themselves even more unprofessional.

[Saffron]

(On my last post, I meant to make only one comment on both of NCBlonde's two posts... sorry for the redundancy.)

[TMY1]

At least he showed remorse. That's more than Stabby has done!

True that!

[Poppycock]

I get that... although he does know she's guilty as sin. He said the other morning that he thinks there are two Jodis.

I just feel like he's probably a really nice guy (he was in all the interactions I've had with him) and easy prey for someone like Jodi. She saw him coming for miles away. He was an easy target and she knew he'd throw softballs at her in an interview. She manipulated him.

Don't forget--Travis believed in Jodi, too. Sadly, that's why we're all here...

The only problem I have with Troy was when he was asked in one of the interviews if he believed Jodi. He said "yes". That bugged me.

You guys are Rock-a-licious! You surly know how to Rep-re-sent! Supper hugs to you!!

Ok, I dug up Troy's interview with her before she took the stand. He was either swayed towards her or played her to get the endgame interview.
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/20...fe-behind-bars

[TMY1]

Yes, and yes. I am so impressed with their interviews and posts. Great insight, and such an intelligent way of expressing their opinions. I commend them for the courage to participate in the interviews and for providing us with the atmosphere of the courtroom. To top it off, they looked great on camera. So proud to be part of a forum with all of you who attended trial and filled us in on the things we couldn't see or hear. Thank you!

BTW, welcome NazyNoodle. I meant to say that earlier but signed off for awhile.

I smell an Emmy! Daytime TV's... Freshest new faces! Fuck off Susan Lucci!

"Faq_Q Ian Denver!" The hottest new show on the waves! Pronounced "Fuck you in Denver" really hot, edgy topics brought to you the only way Faq, Ian and Denver know how...with style!

[gigiann]

I know I am way behind on this today.....just getting caught up with testimony from today. I just got the the 2 minute pause. Whewww that was incredible. Sooooo emotional. I got goosebumps and teary eyed watching and staring, I think those 2 minutes are going to go down in trial history. Juan is amazing.

@ ian, faq, brillig & denver......i haven't seen your comments on it yet. It must have been an incredible moment.
Whewwwwwwwwww amazing.