Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[Harlette]

metis "What a day! Nurmi saying he doesnt like Jodi is a defense strategy, nothing more. If you were able to see it replayed on split screen, Jodi started to smile before Nurmi got the full sentence out. With Joddi's abandonment issues being as severe as they are, the defense team probably prepared her for days. Otherwise we would see her eyes unlock and show her rage and panic. "

you are right but why would nurmi lie about the gas can be returned? i am sure he knows her testimony and that it was a lie - i don't get it, he isn't dumb and still needs a career after this

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

I had a tough time with the thread today, so I am glad to see a few of you tonight!

For the past few days, Stabby seems even more bizarre than usual. Medicated?

Anyone?

She's acting more squirrely than usual because finally, at long last The End Is Nigh plus they have to be prepping for the mitigation phase if it comes to that.

If there is any justice in this world there will be a mitigation phase. I'd be satisfied with LWOP or the DP.

I didn't understand why she laughed when Nurmi said he didn't like her most of the time. I mean its funny to us that he hates his own client, but I don't see how she could possibly find that funny.

Because she has no idea to have appropriate reactions. She thought it was supposed to be funny she giggled and thought "say cheese" with a big smile. She has no internal gearbox for appropriate behavior. She's missing a chip in her hard drive.

I know! So inspiring. I loved this one too:

"You heard her on the phone, squealing like a cat because she needed two hands." I'm getting misty-eyed just thinking about it...and then there was this one:

"Alyce LaViolette is a liar. Anything she says is contaminated, foul." What a wonderful, touching moment. What a beautiful soul. (sniff)

Then he busts this one out:

"How do I love thee, let me count the lies..." Speechless. Just speechless.

I cannot tell you too much how happy I am that he called Alyce LaViolette out repeatedly. The complete and total utter bullshit she spewed from the stand still makes me angry. Not to mention her approaching Samantha.

If he was lying it was because even he dislikes her 10 out of 10 days.

He tried 10 out 10 ways to ditch her and was forced to stay. I think he was trying get out of it because he didn't want to be tainted by the forged pedo letters but once he was forced to stay then he was all in on the pedo lies. It's his specialty.

One of the things he said in court today was absolutely over the line and beyond disgusting, even for Nurmi. It was he slipped in the comment about "we can hope he never acted on his impulses". What an absolute douche nozzle he is.

I missed who he was. Biggie posted that he was a friend of Travis'. I don't know if that's true or not, because I didn't see his introduction. But, he basically said that Travis was shot in the shower, rather than stabbed, and that he was at the sink because he was looking at the gun shot wound in the mirror. He also said the blood couldn't have come from the chest wound, but had to have been the gun shot to the head; and that Travis then walked down the hall, where Jodi attacked him.

I have an issue with that because while some of the blood could be drops dripping from wounds, there is obvious "spray", which sounds like it was aspirated. Dr Horn mentioned that the lung could have been pierced, which would also add to the aspiration of blood, meaning he was choking on it as it was entering the lung, and so he was coughing it up.

To me, there is not spray from a gun shot to the face. Yes, his sinuses were impacted where the bullet lodged, but there are many things wrong with this way of thinking. The first being the lack of hemorrhaging in the face/head. If there was aspiration, there had to be hemorrhage. Dr. Horn said there was none. Unless Travis was shot at the sink, I don't believe there would have been "spray" of blood. Yes, he was stabbed in the head and neck, but again, those were not fully penetrating wounds and I don't believe that would've caused him to aspirate blood through his nose and/or mouth. Certainly not to the extent that we see on the sink.

Second, it seems as though the doctor on Dr. Drew was saying that no other parts of the attack occurred in the bathroom, but rather in the hall. That doesn't jive with the amounts of blood in the bathroom, and the various locations of the blood.


And thirdly, the bullet casing trajectory does not work if Travis was shot while seated in the shower, from the photo sequence -- which is what this doctor claims. It doesn't work because Travis' body would positioned the wrong way, with his left should against the back of the shower. IF he was shot there, the bullet casing -- which would eject to the right -- would be on the opposite side of bathroom from where it was found.

For a crime scene investigator he's not very good. He neglects the fact that she cleaned some blood in the bathroom. There is also blood spatter on the walls and the ceiling of the bathroom cast off from the knife as she was slashing/stabbing him to death. If she shot him in the head in the shower there would have been blood spatter in the shower - head wounds bleed a lot. No way she could have cleaned up every bit of it. She didn't do that great of a job cleaning up anything else.

She attempted to clean, I believe, areas where she thought she bled.

She wasn't trying to clean his blood, she was trying to clean up her blood

I'm a humanitarian so I'm trying to look at the DP as a cure for those debilitating migraines from which JA suffers.

I am hoping for DP in this case simply because of the conditions she would have to live under, being deprived of being able to have Donavan twitter for her, limited access to phone calls, visits, etc.

I'd settle for LWOP if it came down to it. She should never be free again, she'll kill somebody else.

When she's convicted she won't be able to have any direct contact with Donavan or any of the rest of her convict friends unless they're in jail with her. Donavan is still on parole, so guessing/hoping she's forbidden from any contact with other felons.

Meanwhile, does anyone else these tweets come back to haunt her in mitigation and sentencing? The irony her of her calling anyone else a liar is obviously lost on her. The arrogance of this woman is stunning and still never ceases to amaze.

@Jodiannarias 22m

Hypocrisy bugs. Wish we could shine a spotlight on all of Juan's lies,lies he's made on record over the years in a court of law.

But on the upside she didn't get her commissary order today

@Jodiannarias 17m

Commissary didn't arrive this week. It's like waking up on Christmas morning and discovering that Santa skipped your neighborhood.

[Harlette]

omg she is tweeting again
Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 20m

Commissary didn't arrive this week. It's like waking up on Christmas morning and discovering that Santa skipped your neighborhood.
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Jodi Arias Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 26m

Hypocrisy bugs. Wish we could shine a spotlight on all of Juan's lies,lies he's made on record over the years in a court of law.

[coconut]

Summary of Defense Closing Arguments



Some motherfuckers don't like Kirk Nurmi. Guess what? Nine days out of ten I don't like Kirk Nurmi. I don't like Martinez. I don't like wearing a tie. I don't like how Wilmott's shampoo smells. You know what I do like? CASH. $250 an hour. I named my first sailboat Hung Jury and I'm calling the next one Mistrial once you fine folks do your job.

So don't be afraid! Don't hesitate to get creative in there when you deliberate. Let your freak flag fly! I'm talking about magical thinking. Ever heard of The Arizona Triangle? A zone between Tijauna, Albuquerque, and Salt Lake where batteries, phones, and gas stations go wild. Don't be afraid to be an individual and hang this jury. The truth is out there. And I mean OUT THERE.



Let me talk about the clowns on the other side of the courtroom. "Detective" Flores, and I use that term loosely. Has this guy retired from detective work? Jodi called HIM and left him a camera full of pictures in the washing machine. He thinks he cracked the case on his own. He's taken vacation the last 6 months to sit next to Napoleon with a blank look on his face. Flores, buddy, how many fingers am I holding up? Nope, one finger. Flores you had one important thing to remember, about what wound came first, and you mixed it up. You know why? Cause nobody knows, not even the doctor.

And The Prosecutor (pause for sarcastic applause). I've gone on Priceline and booked you for a week at Laviolette's anger management ranch. Softball, therapy, quiet time, it's gonna be great. Try not to throw any pens or cameras while you're there, ok? You'll come back a bigger man. One last FYI - a gas can is not a murder weapon. Unless you bore someone to death by talking about it every day.

And, I'm sure y'all know, you vibed it off my body language, I don't have much time for Jodi. We used to be friends, we were pretty tight, but then she fired me and replaced me with herself. Then she begged me to come back. Breakup - makeup. It's tough when your client has a higher IQ than you do and won't let you forget it. I felt shame, for real. Stressed out and losing weight.



To compensate I bought this massive fucking watch. Let me have a look at this fine timepiece and see what time it is - oh yeah, it's sex tape o'clock! We're gonna go with a greatest hits package here... I'll just let this play while I walk out of the courtroom... into the sunset...

[Freaktab]

Bellaboo, that was classic!

The unholy trinity!

Thanks for giving me a little chuckle.

[wasthinking]

For the record, I saw someone today suggest transcripts can't be read back ... that is false. Testimony is 'evidence' and the jury can ask to review evidence. There are United States Supreme court cases reversed (one in AZ in fact) when a 'read back' isn't done properly even.

How it usually goes is, the jury requests ... the judge has to meet with attys, hear any objections / arguments, make a ruling. An example would be, jury requests 'JAs Walmart' testimony. Judge meets with attys, Nurmi argues jury be given ALL the Walmart testimony, meaning from both cross and direct and so on. If Judge gives rules against Nurmi and jury only gets JAs testimony from cross, it would be an appels issue.

[AgathaAppleswine]

Nurmi's discussion about the time stamps in the photos didn't make much sense to me. Did he really think it was a good idea to suggest to the jury that Jodi slit Travis's throat while he was laying on the floor and helpless? What was he trying to do there?

[dizzyp]

Nurmi says "it's not about bad haircuts or the sexual orientation of the witnesses...." these are items from Twitter and FB land that the jury knows nothing about... People made fun of Nurmi's buzz-cut and mentioned the obvious (and not hidden) fact that Alyce is a lesbian. The jurors must have been scratching their heads about that...

[wasthinking]

omg she is tweeting again
Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 20m

Commissary didn't arrive this week. It's like waking up on Christmas morning and discovering that Santa skipped your neighborhood.
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Jodi Arias Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 26m

Hypocrisy bugs. Wish we could shine a spotlight on all of Juan's lies,lies he's made on record over the years in a court of law.

ROFLMAO like Donovan, who is too stupid to not be caught in a crime herself would have two brains cells firing to know a lie let alone research for one from JM.

[Iluvsam]

For the record, I saw someone today suggest transcripts can't be read back ... that is false. Testimony is 'evidence' and the jury can ask to review evidence. There are United States Supreme court cases reversed (one in AZ in fact) when a 'read back' isn't done properly even.

How it usually goes is, the jury requests ... the judge has to meet with attys, hear any objections / arguments, make a ruling. An example would be, jury requests 'JAs Walmart' testimony. Judge meets with attys, Nurmi argues jury be given ALL the Walmart testimony, meaning from both cross and direct and so on. If Judge gives rules against Nurmi and jury only gets JAs testimony from cross, it would be an appels issue.

This is great information, I really hope the jury asks for those transcripts

[ShellJett]

If Stabby is convicted of M1 but gets LWOP, what prison will she go to? I am not sure if they determine where she goes simply by her M1 conviction or if there is other criteria. Maximum security? Stayed off the site when it got really bad, so I am going to catch up on reading the posts tomorrow. It was a long and disgusting day in court. Thanks Nurmi, you centered your closing around sleaze, and you bashed the victim unnecessarily knowing that he was not a pedophile in any way, shape, or form. There is a difference in zealous representation of your client and lying about the victim in a sick, twisted way.

[Morticia]

ROFLMAO like Donovan, who is too stupid to not be caught in a crime herself would have two brains cells firing to know a lie let alone research for one from JM.

But wasn't Donovan particularly ravishing today?

[Morticia]

ROFLMAO like Donovan, who is too stupid to not be caught in a crime herself would have two brains cells firing to know a lie let alone research for one from JM.

But wasn't Donovan particularly ravishing today?

[Rachael123]

Coming to the end for our Travis and Justice.We hold his family in prayer.

[dizzyp]

For the record, I saw someone today suggest transcripts can't be read back ... that is false. Testimony is 'evidence' and the jury can ask to review evidence. There are United States Supreme court cases reversed (one in AZ in fact) when a 'read back' isn't done properly even.

How it usually goes is, the jury requests ... the judge has to meet with attys, hear any objections / arguments, make a ruling. An example would be, jury requests 'JAs Walmart' testimony. Judge meets with attys, Nurmi argues jury be given ALL the Walmart testimony, meaning from both cross and direct and so on. If Judge gives rules against Nurmi and jury only gets JAs testimony from cross, it would be an appels issue.

I would say it's a lock that the jury will want a read back of JA's Walmart testimony. Both Nurmi and Martinez pretty much suggested that they check the testimony. It will be devastating to the defense when they do...

[dizzyp]

But wasn't Donovan particularly ravishing today?

that was at least a 3 day old t-shirt

[wasthinking]

This is great information, I really hope the jury asks for those transcripts

They have been reported as very attentive, it is very possible they remember it and don't need to ask for a read back at all. How her lawyer lying to them about it plays out remains to be seen.

Nurmi says "it's not about bad haircuts or the sexual orientation of the witnesses...." these are items from Twitter and FB land that the jury knows nothing about... People made fun of Nurmi's buzz-cut and mentioned the obvious (and not hidden) fact that Alyce is a lesbian. The jurors must have been scratching their heads about that...

He might have been referring to AVL for both. Nurmi, trying to repair the damage Alyce did --- he must have delusions thiking he is a miracle worker.

But wasn't Donovan particularly ravishing today?

I never pay her much attention. It isn't looks as much as she's a criminal herself. THAT is what the Arias family leans on and that speaks volumes to me about them!

[Rockabillychick]

She said that she returned the gas can to the same Walmart on cross AND redirect. So if the jury gets the whole transcript they will see that in both instances she said that she returned it to the same Walmart.

[Rachael123]

Donovan needs to lose weight fast.She has a red face and extra weight and it's not heathy.

that was at least a 3 day old t-shirt

[wasthinking]

I would say it's a lock that the jury will want a read back of JA's Walmart testimony. Both Nurmi and Martinez pretty much suggested that they check the testimony. It will be devastating to the defense when they do...

But if they remember it and don't need a read back would be hysterical. Nurmi all excited he put one over when they had his lying ass in a sling the minute it rolled out of his mouth. :)

[poppym]

I'll bet Stabby isn't too worried about her make-up right now.

I'll bet she is!

I didn't understand why she laughed when Nurmi said he didn't like her most of the time. I mean its funny to us that he hates his own client, but I don't see how she could possibly find that funny.

It seems like she thought it was an endearing moment, like "oh that jodi! can't live with her can't live without her!" kind of thing. I thinks she was also probably just attempting to show off to the jury what a sweet and good humoured person she is to be able to have a little laugh at a comment like that.

^THIS! Exactly! Everyone around her managed to remain grounded in the seriousness of the situation! Her reaction was highly inappropriate, and embarrassing! Mind you, so was Nurmi saying it! It's a Capital Murder Trial for fucks sake, not her graduation ceremony!

[Rachael123]

A given.We now have 8 men and 4 women.I think the men will rule in favor of pre-med.

She said that she returned the gas can to the same Walmart on cross AND redirect. So if the jury gets the whole transcript they will see that in both instances she said that she returned it to the same Walmart.

[Ruthven]

^THIS! Exactly! Everyone around her managed to remain grounded in the seriousness of the situation! Her reaction was highly inappropriate, and embarrassing! Mind you, so was Nurmi saying it! It's a Capital Murder Trial for fucks sake, not her graduation ceremony!

I think ol' Disco Donna was smiling too.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Summary of Defense Closing Arguments



Some motherfuckers don't like Kirk Nurmi. Guess what? Nine days out of ten I don't like Kirk Nurmi. I don't like Martinez. I don't like wearing a tie. I don't like how Wilmott's shampoo smells. You know what I do like? CASH. $250 an hour. I named my first sailboat Hung Jury and I'm calling the next one Mistrial once you fine folks do your job.

So don't be afraid! Don't hesitate to get creative in there when you deliberate. Let your freak flag fly! I'm talking about magical thinking. Ever heard of The Arizona Triangle? A zone between Tijauna, Albuquerque, and Salt Lake where batteries, phones, and gas stations go wild. Don't be afraid to be an individual and hang this jury. The truth is out there. And I mean OUT THERE.



Let me talk about the clowns on the other side of the courtroom. "Detective" Flores, and I use that term loosely. Has this guy retired from detective work? Jodi called HIM and left him a camera full of pictures in the washing machine. He thinks he cracked the case on his own. He's taken vacation the last 6 months to sit next to Napoleon with a blank look on his face. Flores, buddy, how many fingers am I holding up? Nope, one finger. Flores you had one important thing to remember, about what wound came first, and you mixed it up. You know why? Cause nobody knows, not even the doctor.

And The Prosecutor (pause for sarcastic applause). I've gone on Priceline and booked you for a week at Laviolette's anger management ranch. Softball, therapy, quiet time, it's gonna be great. Try not to throw any pens or cameras while you're there, ok? You'll come back a bigger man. One last FYI - a gas can is not a murder weapon. Unless you bore someone to death by talking about it every day.

And, I'm sure y'all know, you vibed it off my body language, I don't have much time for Jodi. We used to be friends, we were pretty tight, but then she fired me and replaced me with herself. Then she begged me to come back. Breakup - makeup. It's tough when your client has a higher IQ than you do and won't let you forget it. I felt shame, for real. Stressed out and losing weight.



To compensate I bought this massive fucking watch. Let me have a look at this fine timepiece and see what time it is - oh yeah, it's sex tape o'clock! We're gonna go with a greatest hits package here... I'll just let this play while I walk out of the courtroom... into the sunset...

I fucking love you!

But wasn't Donovan particularly ravishing today?

She's quite the specimen.

She looks more and more like spawn of Jabba the Hut every day.

I never pay her much attention. It isn't looks as much as she's a criminal herself. THAT is what the Arias family leans on and that speaks volumes to me about them!

She's in charge of pushing Grandma around. You have to wonder about her Mom trusting Grandma to somebody like Donavan. Wonder how much money she's stolen from Grandma's purse already?

Hope they have good fire insurance at home and at their business.

She said that she returned the gas can to the same Walmart on cross AND redirect. So if the jury gets the whole transcript they will see that in both instances she said that she returned it to the same Walmart.

I'm almost hoping they do ask for read back just we can watch Stabby's face when her lies are confirmed. Kind of want to see Nurmi and Willmott squirm as well. Is that wrong of me?

[Ruthven]

^THIS! Exactly! Everyone around her managed to remain grounded in the seriousness of the situation! Her reaction was highly inappropriate, and embarrassing! Mind you, so was Nurmi saying it! It's a Capital Murder Trial for fucks sake, not her graduation ceremony!

I think ol' Disco Donna was smiling too.