Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[wasthinking]

I was getting it from her email to him. She says that he'll start calling her Esther Hicks and coming from him it wouldn't be a compliment. Maybe she meant appearance? Why wouldn't he like Esther Hicks then? Confusing.

Are you going behind the words? :) joke

It was JA words, not TA's. JA was adding in a dark tone, not Travis. She could add darkness to sunlight! bitch is crazy

[Jinkasaurus]

Travis would not be the first male to have madonna/whore issues with women. And I think for highly religious men, this can be even more of an issue - because they struggle to find a bridge between that outward religious persona and then wanting to get super freaky in the bedroom.

I think Jodi offered herself up on a silver platter and basically gave Travis the green light to do anything sexually he wanted with her.

A woman cannot act this way and then later criticize the man for taking the bait, or assume that it will make him want to commit to her. That is an error that many, many women make, and Jodi was one of them.

[HelloItsMe]

I certainly would vote for DP if I was on the jury. And I don't take that lightly. I just think it is truly merited in this case. Premedication is there and the manner in which she killed him was brutal. I feel no sympathy for Jodi Arias and I hope the jury doesn't either.

LOL!!!! Sorry, of course I meant premeditation....not premedication.

[elamir]

The nutters are out in full force:

A Maricopa County chief deputy sheriff said the Sheriff?s Office looked into two matters regarding Arias defense attorney Jennifer Willmott and confirmed that at least one of them was a death threat made from out of state.

?It was not even credible,? said Deputy Chief Jack MacIntyre, and he said that Willmott did not want to aid in prosecution, so there would be no ongoing investigation.

But a transcript of another voice mail to Willmott, which was obtained by The Arizona Republic, said, ?You don?t have to return my call, but I?m just telling you: If Jodi, if you get her off of the death penalty, we will find you, we know where you?re at, we will kill you. I told Alyce the same thing, and we?re tired, and we?re sick and tired of you defending this person, and we will get you.?

http://www.azcentral.com/community/m...nclick_check=1

So either somebody with too much time on their hands or a JAII supporter trying to cause a mistrial.

I'll just bet Willmutt doesn't want it investigated, as you said above.

[I doubt it]

Nurmi's cross exam of Deanna was exactly what you would expect from an atty who specializes in defending pedophiles and rapists. Was it really necessary to drag her thru the muck with him and humiliate her in open court to make his point about Travis's different behaviors with Jodi? And why would anyone choose that area to specialize in?

And I think there were ways he could have undermined the Walmart lady. She went through a stack of receipts the size of a phone book HERSELF...I don't think I've ever seen a witness doing something like that! That's something for LE or the DA's office to do. It must have taken hours if not days. Was she paid for this? Did Walmart at least give her some paid time off? Martinez should take her out for dinner at the very least.

I think Nurmi at this point just doesn't give a shit anymore. He's looked totally checked-out for weeks, just slouching in his chair collecting that $250/hour and filing motions...

Did anyone else catch the look on JA's face when Nurmi started the cross of Deanna? To me it looked like "You're gonna get it now."
He didn't have to go into all those filthy details. He was practicing for his private practice. He's also adding to his contact list with the expert witnesses the DT calls. If it looks like a perv, and acts like a perv, it is a ....

The Wal-Mart lady was on Wal-Mart's payroll, same as the Tesoro lady being on her company's payroll. I assume they have people to deal with the authorities when they are hit by a crime and co-operate when they are only witnesses to a crime.

[Mochachino]

He is claiming we will see Det. Flores today -- despite the fact that I don't recall it being mentioned that he was a rebuttal witness? -- so I actually hope he is right in that regard. I would love for information about the shelves to come in.

Ah would love to see Flores my other hero!

[TheHamburglar]

Along with her saying there were only 2 5gallon gas cans - wouldn't get her far enough - but the 3rd gas can would complete the trip through AZ for her. Which she is just a moron - why not just pay cash for the gas the whole way through. There would have been no receipts for any of it. No proof she was in AZ, or around the country anywhere.

She was probably worried about video footage of her pumping gas in Arizona.

[wasthinking]

Okay, I thought maybe it might be a reason to explain that, but the it seems it just might not be out of the ordinary. I don't usually keep up on the conference stuff, so good to know.

LOL@ story by Kiefer though. He is claiming we will see Det. Flores today -- despite the fact that I don't recall it being mentioned that he was a rebuttal witness? -- so I actually hope he is right in that regard. I would love for information about the shelves to come in.

Think of Status Conferences as trial managment meetings. Whats up, where we at, how many witnesses will you have, how long do you think you'll need, discovery issues, planning meetings really.

Kiefer is the same reporter that blasted out the tweet about the gun was found the other day from bait on an old board from March.
EGGonFace should be his handle.

[I doubt it]

She was probably worried about video footage of her pumping gas in Arizona.

She mentioned that. She thought she was covering her tracks, but she's not really as smart as Einstein.

[dizzyp]

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a 17 multi-quote... that could be a record.. impressive!

[PopRocks]

She was probably worried about video footage of her pumping gas in Arizona.

that, and she probably didnt want to carry tons of cash around

[coconut]

Ah would love to see Flores my other hero!

I don't understand why he has been sitting in court for months watching testimony. Shouldn't he be out doing detective work?

[aaronsmommy]

She was probably worried about video footage of her pumping gas in Arizona.

but that's the thing - cash transactions aren't tracked like credit card purchases are. Her own bank statement would tell them where to look for those credit card gas purchases... where if she used cash - take your pick of one of the 1,000's of gas stations - and go through HOURS of film. It's highly unlikely she would have been found at all.

[wasthinking]

Did anyone else catch the look on JA's face when Nurmi started the cross of Deanna? To me it looked like "You're gonna get it now."
He didn't have to go into all those filthy details. He was practicing for his private practice. He's also adding to his contact list with the expert witnesses the DT calls. If it looks like a perv, and acts like a perv, it is a ....

The Wal-Mart lady was on Wal-Mart's payroll, same as the Tesoro lady being on her company's payroll. I assume they have people to deal with the authorities when they are hit by a crime and co-operate when they are only witnesses to a crime.

some objectivity should be entered here. Nurmi is over the line, but, its his job to fight for her life. If he loses, she could die. Juan has nothing to lose because he is the one that wants to take that life.

BUT lets not pretend JM didn't jump out blasting Deanna about Jizz facials. Or objecting to get Nurmi to be specific encouraging Nurmi to have to ask Deanna about anal, or oral sex.

[sheesh]

I don't understand why he has been sitting in court for months watching testimony. Shouldn't he be out doing detective work?

This is a good question and one I've been asking.

I've never seen a police investigator sit as second chair in a trial???

[wasthinking]

a 17 multi-quote... that could be a record.. impressive!

Kids have to play ya know. Reminds me of 12 yrs old boys seeing who can piss in the snow the farthest.

[starfishy]

Hey newbie here, lurking for far too long and finally decided to register. I've been completely obsessed with the trial and I.T. told me to stop streaming at work (using too much bandwith my booty!). Following via the live blogs at HLN and Huffington post and feel like I've been missing a lot. So glad you guys are around to keep me up to date!

[zeebee]

Astonished that apparently no one from the defense team (as moronic as those tools are) long ago informed Arias that her demeanor is a turnoff and she isn't doing herself any favors.

Honestly? I don't think she would listen. She had to have been told to tone it down on the stand when she was being all smug and snarky, but I don't think she can. Remember, she thinks she's the smartest person in the room.

Ugh...Travis should have married Deanna Reid. She was great on the stand, even answering those awkward questions. You can tell that she really cared about him.

I think so too. She was lovely and made a great witness... would probably have made him a great wife.

My favorite Juan quote will ALWAYS be "are you done with your answer. Good, now answer my question" it never gets old!

Nobody does it, and I never believed it. Most long time married people don't even exchange that info, so I never bought that Travis and Jodi exchanged passwords voluntarily.

I know people who have done it, but they were in a terrible relationship and I think one of them was a psychopath who talked the other into doing it. IMHO, it was just so that the male (the psychopath) could spy on the female. The "trust" excuse was just that, an excuse (also the female was also quite young).

Talk about a joke of a trial. I watched that one from start to finish as well. George and Cindy were suspect right along with Casey. That was one where you knew something more must have happened but will never know what. The jury could have at least given CA child abuse charges but I suppose she would be walking today either way.

I felt bad for George and Cindy. I don't think either of them is very smart and had no idea what to do with Casey. I don't believe either of them had anything to do with Caylee's death. I think Casey ran roughshod over them both.

It would be soooooo much fun to get a demonstration of how these stun belts work in taking down an out of control inmate (JODI)....inquiring minds want to know! Then you can come in with a few of those syringes, Metis. I can picture you waving to all your fans, just before you stick it Jodi!

And then the crowd would cheer!!!!

I have tried to use it!!! When I think I am using it, the damn thing goes to one comment. I click reply w quote, and then it goes to one damn single comment. I am SOOO frustrated. I do not pay for this site, so I began to think that it must be the reason. ANY help is welcomed.

If you are having trouble multiquoting, you can always "reply with quote" and copy what is in the box. Go to the next person you want to reply to, hit "reply with quote" again, paste in the first quote in front of the second quote, then copy the whole thing (both quotes). Continue on with all the peeps you want to quote. It's what I used to do before I figured out there was a multiquote function.

But a transcript of another voice mail to Willmott, which was obtained by The Arizona Republic, said, ?You don?t have to return my call, but I?m just telling you: If Jodi, if you get her off of the death penalty, we will find you, we know where you?re at, we will kill you. I told Alyce the same thing, and we?re tired, and we?re sick and tired of you defending this person, and we will get you.?

http://www.azcentral.com/community/m...nclick_check=1

So either somebody with too much time on their hands or a JAII supporter trying to cause a mistrial.

That is disgusting.

Along with her saying there were only 2 5gallon gas cans - wouldn't get her far enough - but the 3rd gas can would complete the trip through AZ for her. Which she is just a moron - why not just pay cash for the gas the whole way through. There would have been no receipts for any of it. No proof she was in AZ, or around the country anywhere.

I wondered the same thing, but others pointed out to me that she may have been afraid to get caught on camera at gas stations. So if she wanted to use gas cans, she should have bought them with cash and paid cash for the gas she got in CA and UT. I don't know, maybe she didn't have enough cash. She should have consulted "How To Plan A Murder On A Budget".

[TMY1]

Shame you are showing signs of joditis. Grow up, imaginary gifs aren't reality.

Holy crap! Can you catch "joditis" just by watching? I assumed I'd be safe from a distance...away from direct contact with her tootsie pops and such! My wife is going to be so pissed!

[dizzyp]

Ah would love to see Flores my other hero!

is their no problem with Flores as a witness since he has sat at the Prosecution table throughout the trial?

[I doubt it]

This is a good question and one I've been asking.

I've never seen a police investigator sit as second chair in a trial???

He's not really second chair, they say Martinez works alone. Is it customary in AZ for the primary investigator to be present for the whole trial?

I've heard of trials being postponed because the arresting officer wasn't available. Det. Flores has been there for months. Maybe he's gathering evidence for other cases/charges? I've also wondered about the people who are there sometimes near the Mitigation Specialist.

[dizzyp]

This is a good question and one I've been asking.

I've never seen a police investigator sit as second chair in a trial???

I missed your posts.. I just made the same point. How can he testify?

[Harlette]

To me she displayed a lot of "executive thinking" by deleting only the naked photos and the ones of her dragging TA, locking the bedroom door, putting up Napoleon's dog gate so he couldn't get upstairs, attempting to clean up, disposing of the weapons, throwing stuff in the wash, making sure she was gone before the room mate came home, etc.

I don't see Flight or Fright there at all but I'm not an expert and neither are the jurors (that we know of). I'm sure that JM is going to point all of this out in his closing argument and then again in his rebuttal to defense's closing argument.

that is one thing the defense never even tried to explain, how in her "fog" she could do all the things she did, delete certain pics, do the wash, clean the bannister, set up the doggy gate - there isn't away to do that w/ what they claim she was experiencing

[QUOTE=aaronsmommy;3399905]

Definitely do not remember that??

me either - hunky md said he would have been incapacitated - here is his testimony
Q: The issue of the gunshot wound. Did the gunshot wound go to the.. go through the frontal lobe or not?
Dr. Horn: It did
Q: If it goes through the frontal lobe, what does the human body do when a gunshot goes through a frontal lobe?
Dr. Horn: Well there's a shock delivered to the entire brain as a projectile is passing through, so its not just like an arrow or a nail. You've also got expansing expanding gases, you've got a tumbling projectile, so generally you're going to have a shock situation, neurologic shock and those people are incapacitated.

The nutters are out in full force:

A Maricopa County chief deputy sheriff said the Sheriff’s Office looked into two matters regarding Arias defense attorney Jennifer Willmott and confirmed that at least one of them was a death threat made from out of state.

“It was not even credible,” said Deputy Chief Jack MacIntyre, and he said that Willmott did not want to aid in prosecution, so there would be no ongoing investigation.

But a transcript of another voice mail to Willmott, which was obtained by The Arizona Republic, said, “You don’t have to return my call, but I’m just telling you: If Jodi, if you get her off of the death penalty, we will find you, we know where you’re at, we will kill you. I told Alyce the same thing, and we’re tired, and we’re sick and tired of you defending this person, and we will get you.”

http://www.azcentral.com/community/m...nclick_check=1

So either somebody with too much time on their hands or a JAII supporter trying to cause a mistrial.

these ppl are just cray cray - i am sure they are getting death threats - i worry for every one who ends up in the media because of this trial - and the nutters do not even realize it puts them on the same level as jodi

Thats what I'm not sure about. I wonder if some of the jurors will say "Well at least it was quick". As in under 2-3 minutes based on photos. I've heard of so many cases where the person was tortured for hours, or raped, etc prior to finally dying. I fully believe Travis suffered a great deal. But I wonder if the jury will think it was fast so there wasn't much time for suffering.
Then again, when she was in her interview with Det. Flores, she told him if she WERE to kill someone, she would make it quick by shooting them until they are dead. and she also told him if she hurt Travis, she would beg for the death penalty. So there's that.

i worry about that - especially if you think when something bad happens like a terrible earthquake, or you need to aid some one in a medical crisis - you think it lasts for ever, then you realize it was only 60 seconds

[dianalyn]

I wonder if LE dusted that check for TA's prints. That could show more premed/cover-up/lies.

Is it possible that the Jp Morgan/Chase person is there to testify that Travis' account was accessed AFTER the time we know he had been killed? I have seen so many people posting about how her money situation and what she spend on that trip does not add up, did she transfer funds to herself after she killed him?

[M Joy]

is their no problem with Flores as a witness since he has set at the Prosecution table throughout the trial?

He was called quite a bit in the prosecution's main case. I think his presence at the prosecution table just shows how much he wants justice for Travis, IMO.
I think the defense just doesn't want him talking about the shelves.