Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[Jillee]

Going over their messages (Metis, if you know of how we can find the slashed tires quote from their text messages, please tell us where we can find it. Thank you!!)
I thought this was interesting. She sent him this message in that Feb. 14th email;

"OK, I'm going to go now before you start calling me Esther Hicks. I might otherwise take it as a compliment, but coming from you, I know it wouldn't be. (smiley face)"

That's funny. It appears that Travis doesn't like Esther Hicks.... She wrote 'the law of attraction' and 'The Secret' yet Jodi said thatTravis had her tear pages from her journal because of the law of attraction.

I had a feeling that Travis wouldn't be into these types of ideas as they're kind of like false Gods. ( like astrology or superstition ) I know, I know, he wasn't supposed to believe in sex before marriage either; but that's more of a biological response that one can't help. Believing in The Secret is a whole other blasphemy.

Didn't she say that he was into The Secret/Law of Attraction too?

[wasthinking]

Poppy, faq, why do people in the gallery look up toward the ceiling at their right? What is up there?

not poppy or faq .. but it's the big screen

[Mochachino]

Quickly off topic now but thanks for your gunshot thoughts!

You ALL have such great info. It's like the JA Trial CIA in here. It's why I'm hooked here!

[olgasbunghole]

Here is the linebacker pose again. Would a bullet fired at this person go from above left eyebrow to right cheek? Impossible.

I rest my case.

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but if it's at the beginning of the linebacker pose............ it could work?

[wasthinking]

Going over their messages (Metis, if you know of how we can find the slashed tires quote from their text messages, please tell us where we can find it. Thank you!!)
I thought this was interesting. She sent him this message in that Feb. 14th email;

"OK, I'm going to go now before you start calling me Esther Hicks. I might otherwise take it as a compliment, but coming from you, I know it wouldn't be. (smiley face)"

That's funny. It appears that Travis doesn't like Esther Hicks.... She wrote 'the law of attraction' and 'The Secret' yet Jodi said thatTravis had her tear pages from her journal because of the law of attraction.

I had a feeling that Travis wouldn't be into these types of ideas as they're kind of like false Gods. ( like astrology or superstition ) I know, I know, he wasn't supposed to believe in sex before marriage either; but that's more of a biological response that one can't help. Believing in The Secret is a whole other blasphemy.

Didn't she say that he was into The Secret/Law of Attraction too?

Where did you get he wasn't in to it? Chris Hughes teaches it holds seminars for it.

Law of Attraction LOL

June 26 Memorial for Travis Alexander. His killer attended.
LOW - same day DNA, Hair, bloody palm print identified

July 9 2008- Arias' 29th birthday
LOW Grand Jury indicted

Sept 12, 24- Arias 'glory' interviews with Arizona Republic and Inside Edition
Maricopa County Oct 31 notice they will ask for the Death Penalty

[sheesh]

The nutters are out in full force:

But a transcript of another voice mail to Willmott, which was obtained by The Arizona Republic, said, “You don’t have to return my call, but I’m just telling you: If Jodi, if you get her off of the death penalty, we will find you, we know where you’re at, we will kill you. I told Alyce the same thing, and we’re tired, and we’re sick and tired of you defending this person, and we will get you.”

http://www.azcentral.com/community/m...nclick_check=1

So either somebody with too much time on their hands or a JAII supporter trying to cause a mistrial.

This isht is just wrong. I hope they find this knucklehead and put 'em in the license plate factory.

[AnnieBelle]

I agree. Way too many coincidences for it not to be premed. I think the upside down license plates are pretty damning also, along with her phone charger disappearing, then magically, she finds it when she's out of Arizona. I think deliberations won't be long based on really strong evidence and the jurors own questions.I think Murder 1, LWOP...but maybe not...eek!

I do think that the photos of his wounds, the swiftness and vicious nature of the killing (within seconds, she had completed the multiple stabbings, gunshot, slashing of throat....and was dragging his body around) will nudge them toward the DP.

[carnee]

Quickly off topic now but thanks for your gunshot thoughts!

You all have such great info. It's like the JA Trial CIA in here. It's why I'm hooked here!

This is really a great board. I came in kind of late to the trial and I got links and so much info here. I am thoroughly addicted..

[tiggrrl72077]

anybody notice the little tyke's head behind the poinsettia plant? or the diet Pepsi, can't tell if it is the decaf version. Deanna is such a class act, she does not seem bitter in the least that she spent so long with Travis and he did not marry her.

This isht is just wrong. I hope they find this knucklehead and put 'em in the license plate factory.

Would that be the upside down license plate factory? I think only ninjas can work there

[Jillee]

Where did you get he wasn't in to it? Chris Hughes teaches it holds seminars for it.

Law of Attraction LOL

June 26 Memorial for Travis Alexander. His killer attended.
LOW - same day DNA, Hair, bloody palm print identified

July 9 2008- Arias' 29th birthday
LOW Grand Jury indicted

Sept 12, 24- Arias 'glory' interviews with Arizona Republic and Inside Edition
Maricopa County Oct 31 notice they will ask for the Death Penalty

I was getting it from her email to him. She says that he'll start calling her Esther Hicks and coming from him it wouldn't be a compliment. Maybe she meant appearance? Why wouldn't he like Esther Hicks then? Confusing.

[Metis212]

Nurmi's cross exam of Deanna was exactly what you would expect from an atty who specializes in defending pedophiles and rapists. Was it really necessary to drag her thru the muck with him and humiliate her in open court to make his point about Travis's different behaviors with Jodi? And why would anyone choose that area to specialize in?

Crickets, there really are people who are innocent of sexual offenses. What is wrong with working to avoid a trial that would further traumatize a child who has been sexually assaulted? What about the cases in which a woman says she was raped and she wasn't? It happens.

I never understood the desire to be a critical care anything...all those alarms! To each his/her own, right?

I think Nurmi at this point just doesn't give a shit anymore. He's looked totally checked-out for weeks, just slouching in his chair collecting that $250/hour and filing motions.

My take on Nurmi is he is psychologically/emotionally defending himself against Jodi. Jodi-persons are emotionally draining. He is NOT making that much money...I would be offended if he was making 750/hr. Imagine being Nurmi and being unable to step away.

I think, and I don't know if this has been mentioned, this feed flies... that cancun trip. It sounds sooo nonsensical that she would KILL because of this or Marriage even, and the camera dropping thing, please, but the travelling stabby and Travis did was based on that book, 1001 places to see before you die... Cancun is IN that book. I find it hugely important, IMO, that Travis was going there with Mimi... and stabby, I believe knew way before the inconsistent times she has said, like spring of 2008 knew Travis was going there and NOT taking her.
She and Travis I think actually DID spend quality time on those trips, and to that point, it had been exclusively theirs. Travis was going with someone else, and I think this was massively devastating for her bizarro mind to handle.

Agreed, that cancun and its specialness had to bother her. Goes toward premeditation.

yes! and the kind of shrug and smirk by JA when he said it... she is somewhat inscrutable to me (avowed layman) I can never really tell what's going on behind those eyes...

first layer is How do I get out of this mess. Second layer is how bad would the shock hurt if I took Deanna down. Deepest level is darkness...nothingness.

Could also have been JA and something made her freak the fuck out.

I'm imagining all the other hearings where Nurmi has asked for a mistrial and has been subsequently denied. I imagine today's hearing will go in a similar fashion. If the prosecution has legit rebuttal material, they should be able to show it to the jury.
Nurmi is the guy that tried to get in the zoomed Travis eye photo and he wants to prevent testimony about shelves that would collapse under weight? Ok.
I have a feeling they will get their surrebuttal for sure though, especially if the judge allows the rebuttal testimony today.

Such is the life of a defense attorney.

It would be soooooo much fun to get a demonstration of how these stun belts work in taking down an out of control inmate (JODI)....inquiring minds want to know! Then you can come in with a few of those syringes, Metis. I can picture you waving to all your fans, just before you stick it Jodi!

She does have a lot of veins popping out on her arms. Should be an easy stick Metis? Oh we can only wish for a demo!

If she gets less than M1, I'm gonna need a syringe full of whatever benzos you got!

OMG, this means I need a new outfit!

I'm 100% with you on that wt, but I have been reading up about BPD and there are several features of psychopathy that overlap with BPD in women. In fact one of the studies on that was an article you linked to, several days ago iirc...been meaning to thank you for that. It's fascinating stuff!

Cluster B, the dramatic personality disorders ALL overlap. They all have common symptoms!

To me she displayed a lot of "executive thinking" by deleting only the naked photos and the ones of her dragging TA, locking the bedroom door, putting up Napoleon's dog gate so he couldn't get upstairs, attempting to clean up, disposing of the weapons, throwing stuff in the wash, making sure she was gone before the room mate came home, etc.

I don't see Flight or Fright there at all but I'm not an expert and neither are the jurors (that we know of). I'm sure that JM is going to point all of this out in his closing argument and then again in his rebuttal to defense's closing argument.

Agreed!

One thing about Borderline Personality Disorder and the broad brush some are painting related to Jodi Arias...

The vast majority of BPDs don't go around killing people.

The most likely person a BPD will harm is themselves. Self-harming and suicide rates are very high in the BPD population.

I've picked up fear in the BPD community that they are perceived equal to Arias.

Arias is a killer who happened to have BPD traits, along with other cluster B traits that may have contributed to this.

Her BPD did not cause her to kill.


As with everything she touches, Jodi ruins everything. God bless those with BPD and PTSD.

Exactly!

Hmmm Mr. DeCoste is Director of Security for the court. Wonder what he's doing in that meeting? Maybe the defense team is claiming death threats again or something? Although I do remember Sheriff Joe having an issue with Jodi wandering around and being somewhat unsecured there, a few weeks/months back. I believe he cleared some kind of meeting room for them to keep her in when her attorneys were not able to babysit her.

Of course, i'm secretly hoping that Jodi has changed her plea and will beg for mercy, and that the head of security is there to prevent mayhem/celebration from breaking out.

Hey, a girl can hope, right?!

She can!

It could have been damp from where she was hiding the gun!?

It could have been damp or it was old and rarely used.

The ME testified that the shot would have been almost immediately incapcitating. So how would Travis have defensive wounds on his arms if he was unconscious at the very least? The shot came last. There was only one shot because she only shot at him once... Either because she needed her two perpetrator story to add up, or, in my opinion, because Travis was either gurgling or twitching or both and it was a 'put him down now' shot.

Will always believe the first stab was to the heart cause it was so symbolic.

Whatever I did to bring that on, I'll try to keep doing it. Husband ought to have no concerns. I'm well into my Grandpa years. I don't know what I'm going to do without my MDS family when this Trial is over and Order is restored. Perhaps we will have brought something good to someone's life.

I love you too!

I don't believe she needed/tried for more than one shot. But if the gun was a bit older, and being a .25 caliber automatic, it's likely the gun just jammed on its own. .25ACP guns tended to be poorly made, cheap guns. They sometimes didn't have even blowback to fully cycle the slide for a rechambering. Oftentimes these tiny guns were so difficult to get a tight grasp on that the gun moving in the shooter's hand absorbed too much recoil for the discharge to cycle a rechambering. Dangerous little automatics, in my experience, that easily jammed.

I firmly believe she carried a knife. You wouldn't believe the number of knives the security guards confiscated in the ER.

[Mochachino]

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but if it's at the beginning of the linebacker pose............ it could work?

great comparison!

[denn]

It just occurred to me that Stabby had to use the gas cans on the way back to CA to stay consistent with her theory of driving alone at night. I just heard that she also had receipts for 2 of the gas purchases, but not for the last one. Meaning she did not realize that if she were accused of the murder, they would get all her bank records.

Another point made was she withdrew cash to also cover any purchases she made to AZ and out of AZ. Very calculating.

[NCBlonde]

By Michael Kiefer



nuff said

Hmm, do you think this could be the reason for the security guy being involved in that meeting from the other day?

[M Joy]

I do think that the photos of his wounds, the swiftness and vicious nature of the killing (within seconds, she had completed the multiple stabbings, gunshot, slashing of throat....and was dragging his body around) will nudge them toward the DP.

Thats what I'm not sure about. I wonder if some of the jurors will say "Well at least it was quick". As in under 2-3 minutes based on photos. I've heard of so many cases where the person was tortured for hours, or raped, etc prior to finally dying. I fully believe Travis suffered a great deal. But I wonder if the jury will think it was fast so there wasn't much time for suffering.
Then again, when she was in her interview with Det. Flores, she told him if she WERE to kill someone, she would make it quick by shooting them until they are dead. and she also told him if she hurt Travis, she would beg for the death penalty. So there's that.

[wasthinking]

OMG. People baffle me. People that make death threats are complete morons. I am not a fan of either of the defense attorneys. Not because of who they represent but the tactics they're going to to try to get her off.
But to make a death threat against them is like being on the same level as the defendant IMO. These people need to get some help.

This isht is just wrong. I hope they find this knucklehead and put 'em in the license plate factory.

That reporter is the same idiot that
Has a real hard on against Juan Martinez
Did the article on "poor Alyce" went to ER

[Brillig]

Test, test...
Greetings All...newbie here, first post.

Welcome, devilsangeldoc!

Too prejudicial? In what way? This IS what Jodi did to him. Plain and simple. They will have access to whatever has been entered into evidence, and they were shown the graphic photos...they just didn't always show a close-up of the monitor when they had them up.

When deciding what is and isn't prejudicial, the judge has to weigh the probative value against the potential prejudice it could cause.

So, for example, gruesome pics of Travis dead... the probative value is high, because they are showing the details of the victims murder, which is the crime being charged. It is very direct evidence of the crime.

On the other hand, more details about what was revealed during the Purple Plum interviews were kept out. We don't know what those details are, but let's go with the theory mentioned on this forum that they would reveal that Jodi was turning tricks with male customers from the restaurant. While we would all be fascinated to hear something like that, does it have much probative value about the murder? No, it does not show anything about the murder itself, or premeditation, but the jury could tend to think less of Jodi is they found out she was hooking. So in that case the judge would keep it out because the prejudice would out weigh the probative value.

Both of those examples are very clear cut. Many others would fall somewhere in between, and the judge would have to do her best to make a fair decision balancing probative value and potential prejudice.

We are in line now I am sitting next t to cane lady. Does not look good about 40 ahead of us. Saw Steven and Beth I think chatting on steps on east side. Got here at 11. 18 yr old went out the door as we came in. Booooo.

Good luck, Poppycock!

The nutters are out in full force:

A Maricopa County chief deputy sheriff said the Sheriff?s Office looked into two matters regarding Arias defense attorney Jennifer Willmott and confirmed that at least one of them was a death threat made from out of state.
So either somebody with too much time on their hands or a JAII supporter trying to cause a mistrial.

Some people are nuts. But if it is a JAII supporter, they are wasting their time, that is not going to cause a mistrial.

[wasthinking]

Hmm, do you think this could be the reason for the security guy being involved in that meeting from the other day?

I doubt it, it happened outside of court apparently. Besides 'Status Conf" are normal and usually scheduled, that one was on the calendar for Friday.

3 clues
1. ?It was not even credible,? said Deputy Chief Jack MacIntyre, and he said that Willmott did not want to aid in prosecution, so there would be no ongoing investigation.
2. Willmott doesn't want it investigated
3. story by Kiefer

[TMY1]

Shame you are showing signs of joditis. Grow up, imaginary gifs aren't reality.

I can't help it, this trial is making me fucking crazy! No offense meant!

[AlisonL]

Checked out a link about a spectator selling her seat in the JA trial.... this is the pic used. Derp.

[NCBlonde]

I doubt it, it happened outside of court apparently. Besides 'Status Conf" are normal and usually scheduled, that one was on the calendar for Friday.

3 clues
1. ?It was not even credible,? said Deputy Chief Jack MacIntyre, and he said that Willmott did not want to aid in prosecution, so there would be no ongoing investigation.
2. Willmott doesn't want it investigated
3. story by Kiefer

Okay, I thought maybe it might be a reason to explain that, but the it seems it just might not be out of the ordinary. I don't usually keep up on the conference stuff, so good to know.

LOL@ story by Kiefer though. He is claiming we will see Det. Flores today -- despite the fact that I don't recall it being mentioned that he was a rebuttal witness? -- so I actually hope he is right in that regard. I would love for information about the shelves to come in.

[HelloItsMe]

I do think that the photos of his wounds, the swiftness and vicious nature of the killing (within seconds, she had completed the multiple stabbings, gunshot, slashing of throat....and was dragging his body around) will nudge them toward the DP.

I certainly would vote for DP if I was on the jury. And I don't take that lightly. I just think it is truly merited in this case. Premedication is there and the manner in which she killed him was brutal. I feel no sympathy for Jodi Arias and I hope the jury doesn't either.

[aaronsmommy]

It just occurred to me that Stabby had to use the gas cans on the way back to CA to stay consistent with her theory of driving alone at night. I just heard that she also had receipts for 2 of the gas purchases, but not for the last one. Meaning she did not realize that if she were accused of the murder, they would get all her bank records.

Another point made was she withdrew cash to also cover any purchases she made to AZ and out of AZ. Very calculating.

Along with her saying there were only 2 5gallon gas cans - wouldn't get her far enough - but the 3rd gas can would complete the trip through AZ for her. Which she is just a moron - why not just pay cash for the gas the whole way through. There would have been no receipts for any of it. No proof she was in AZ, or around the country anywhere.

[Mochachino]

I can't help it, this trial is making me fucking crazy! No offense meant!

I'm gunna have major withdrawl symptoms when it's over tho!

[Sassyblue]

Going over their messages (Metis, if you know of how we can find the slashed tires quote from their text messages, please tell us where we can find it. Thank you!!)
I thought this was interesting. She sent him this message in that Feb. 14th email;

"OK, I'm going to go now before you start calling me Esther Hicks. I might otherwise take it as a compliment, but coming from you, I know it wouldn't be. (smiley face)"

That's funny. It appears that Travis doesn't like Esther Hicks.... She wrote 'the law of attraction' and 'The Secret' yet Jodi said thatTravis had her tear pages from her journal because of the law of attraction.

I had a feeling that Travis wouldn't be into these types of ideas as they're kind of like false Gods. ( like astrology or superstition ) I know, I know, he wasn't supposed to believe in sex before marriage either; but that's more of a biological response that one can't help. Believing in The Secret is a whole other blasphemy.

Didn't she say that he was into The Secret/Law of Attraction too?

Could this be "Astroglide Esther"?