It was also mentioned that JM is trying to get the tape that was played on Dr. Drew with respect to Travis and Stabby (she was sitting in his lap), to prove that she as not a dirty little secret. I hope he succeeds. Of course, he was talking about getting killed, so they said she may just allow photos and not the actual recording. Might be too prejudicial for defense.
I agree. She had to assume that the roommate would find him that night. I cannot believe no one ever tried to see him for 5 days! I know he was supposed to on a trip, but the smell in that house had to be awful. I have smelled a body decomposing and it is one you don't forget.Originally Posted by Sneakers the Wonder Dog
I think whoever asked that question was being a smart ass.
Michael Kiefer @michaelbkiefer 2m
The Maricopa County Attorney's Office denies the recurring (and elaborate) rumor that the Jodi Arias murder weapon gun has been found.
Michael Kiefer @michaelbkiefer 43s
The latest buzz the gun had been found was fueled when Arias' grandfather was questioned as to its serial number last week by Yreka Police.
This just makes me want to cry. Seriously.According to HLN, defense is asking court to include "heat of passion" or manslaughter by sudden quarrel in jury instructions...
Also asking for a sur-rebuttal case. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I really don't want either of these to come in at all.
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Chris Hughes tweeted that the reason for the headstand was to get some color in her cheeks for her mugshot. They wouldn't let her have her makeup.
Jeffrey Gold on Twitter says JA defense has filed a motion to call Dr. Robert Geffner, PhD as a surrebuttal witness on BPD diagnosis.
Thanks. I try. Always learning. I have serious artist angst. I also think her photography is pretty "normal" stuff. But Jodi is Jodi's biggest fan. I still laugh when I think about her artwork hanging next to Van Gogh. Silly girl.
We're in the beginning of the rebuttal stage. The only deliberations happening are the deliberations here.
I'm going with RAGE. And lots of it! Hatred and rage. It comports with her BPD. Seething rage.
Sur-rebuttal?!?!?!? uh, NO! no no no no!! Just so they can bring in Dr. Karp (the tester) to say that Jodi has PTSD?! I can't imagine that the court would allow it. The defense has been allowed so much leeway in this case already. No, their case is DONE! They've taken more than enough time. The judge has to think of the jury and what's best for them. Surely juror fatigue is a concern. I don't care if this is a DP case. She has to try and keep this jury intact or else the whole case gets thrown out. I'd be SHOCKED if the judge allows this. Besides, after we hear from all of the pre-meditation witnesses, shlepping in a psychologist to quibble on whether or not Jodi has mental problems will seem silly and moot.According to HLN, defense is asking court to include "heat of passion" or manslaughter by sudden quarrel in jury instructions...
Also asking for a sur-rebuttal case. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I really don't want either of these to come in at all.
correction:Dr Robert Geffner
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Makes sense with all the beating over the head Palin did with DeMarte. Trauma, Trauma....Trauma!
http://www.ivatcenters.org/AboutUs.htm
The voice was bothersome, but tolerable earlier in the trial. Now, she's brought it up a notch and is soooooooooooooooo sarcastic and desperate.
She'll probably rip the Walmart guy apart because his expertise isn't reading return slips.
Yes!!! That's an old trick used in beauty competitions way back in the day. Not sure why they didn't have makeup on the ready in beauty competitions... but that's where it originated, I believe.
My gosh, you have amazing talent.
Could the surrebuttal have something to do with the gas cans and the shelving in the closet? Could those be considered 'new', even though they've known about them since the prosecution case?
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You go with RAGE?? So you are on the defense team then. So much for premeditation.Thanks. I try. Always learning. I have serious artist angst. I also think her photography is pretty "normal" stuff. But Jodi is Jodi's biggest fan. I still laugh when I think about her artwork hanging next to Van Gogh. Silly girl.
We're in the beginning of the rebuttal stage. The only deliberations happening are the deliberations here.
I'm going with RAGE. And lots of it! Hatred and rage. It comports with her BPD. Seething rage.
Sur-rebuttal?!?!?!? uh, NO! no no no no!! Just so they can bring in Dr. Karp (the tester) to say that Jodi has PTSD?! I can't imagine that the court would allow it. The defense has been allowed so much leeway in this case already. No, their case is DONE! They've taken more than enough time. The judge has to think of the jury and what's best for them. Surely juror fatigue is a concern. I don't care if this is a DP case. She has to try and keep this jury intact or else the whole case gets thrown out. I'd be SHOCKED if the judge allows this. Besides, after we hear from all of the pre-meditation witnesses, shlepping in a psychologist to quibble on whether or not Jodi has mental problems will seem silly and moot.
I just heard on HLN that the DT is wanting to bring on a Dr. Caffner, not sure about the spelling. It seems to be to rebute Dr. Demate's diagnosis of BPD. If approved they could have more witnesses too. Ugh!!!! This could go on forever!
I have to wonder if the defense was aware of Dr. DeMarte's diagnosis prior to the trial... one would assume that they WERE--and if so, there is no grounds for a sur-rebuttal (since this evidence was therefore not new).
UNCONFIRMED : The proposed surrebuttal witness is Dr Robert Geffner [colleague of LaViolette] to rebut Dr Janeen Demarte on BPD.
[Supplied by Paula Feese, with thanks]
Institute on Violence, Abuse and Trauma (IVAT) Domestic Violence Prevention Treatment Training Confe
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Dr. Robert Geffner, PhD founded the Family Violence and Sexual Assault Institute in 1984. He is a Diplomate in Clinical Neuropsychology and Family Psychology. He is the immediate past president of the Trauma Psychology Division of the American Psychological Association (APA)
Dr. Geffner is an editor of 3 internationally disseminated journals: the Journal of Child and Adolescent Trauma, the Journal of Child Sexual Abuse and the Journal of Aggression, Maltreatment and Trauma.
another one bites the dust :) Considering all things, Jodi can ruin a career faster than a barrel of vodka. Everything she touches turns to shit. So if she doesn't have BPD, what big win is that?
Does it take of 2 stab wounds off the total and turn this overkill into 25 stabs, slit his throat and shot in the head. Hey maybe as a violence pusher, he can say liars panic easily?
"Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are" --- Benjamin Franklin
The State vs Jodi Arias ~ Travis Alexander murder trial shared a link.
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CONFIRMED - As reported here earlier, Dr Geffner is the proposed surrebuttal witness for the def. He is a colleague of Alyce LaViolette and will rebut Dr DeMarte's claims of BPD.
570. Voluntary Manslaughter: Heat of Passion - Lesser Included Offense
A killing that would otherwise be murder is reduced to voluntary manslaughter if the defendant killed someone because of a sudden quarrel or in the heat of passion.
The defendant killed someone because of a sudden quarrel or in the heat of passion if:
1. The defendant was provoked;
2. As a result of the provocation, the defendant acted rashly and under the influence of intense emotion that obscured (his/her) reasoning or judgment;
AND
3. The provocation would have caused a person of average disposition to act rashly and without due deliberation, that is, from passion rather than from judgment.
Heat of passion does not require anger, rage, or any specific emotion. It can be any violent or intense emotion that causes a person to act without due deliberation and reflection.
In order for heat of passion to reduce a murder to voluntary manslaughter, the defendant must have acted under the direct and immediate influence of provocation as I have defined it. While no specific type of provocation is required, slight or remote provocation is not sufficient. Sufficient provocation may occur over a short or long period of time.
It is not enough that the defendant simply was provoked. The defendant is not allowed to set up (his/her) own standard of conduct. You must decide whether the defendant was provoked and whether the provocation was sufficient. In deciding whether the provocation was sufficient, consider whether a person of average disposition would have been provoked and how such a person would react in the same situation knowing the same facts.
[If enough time passed between the provocation and the killing for a person of average disposition to "cool off" and regain his or her clear reasoning and judgment, then the killing is not reduced to voluntary manslaughter on this basis.]
The State has the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant did not kill as the result of a sudden quarrel or in the heat of passion. If the State has not met this burden, you must find the defendant not guilty of murder.
Instructional Duty:
The court has a sua sponte duty to instruct on voluntary manslaughter on either theory, heat of passion or imperfect self-defense, when evidence of either is "substantial enough to merit consideration" by the jury.
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If he's so wonderful, why didn't they hire him in the first place?
To find anything in this case he's going to have to read his own journals because it's already established, he won't have anything here but a liars version 4.0 fabrication.
"Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are" --- Benjamin Franklin
I think that rage was seething since the May 26?th 2008 email. Then it got bigger and bigger, and she stole the gun, and it got bigger and bigger..totally rage AND totally premeditated IMO.
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I dunno...I just googled him b/c I saw the defense wanted to call him as a witness...
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