Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[Sayub]

You didn't actually have to respond back to her, you know that right? It doesn't make you look any better. So stop.

To touch back on your posts a few pages back, but without quoting them, I believe you were adamant in your defense of ALV.

The problem I have with that defense is that she did not try to seek out other resources. The defense gave her a limited amount of information, this is true. But I don't believe she was restricted in her research. There was no indication (that I know of, at least) that suggests that she was forbidden from interviewing people other than Jodi.

If she had done her job -- really and truly done her job -- then she would have interviewed people, especially those close to TA.

The reason why she didn't do that was because (in my opinon) there was a huge risk that she would have found information to the contrary of what Jodi has spoken about. If she had allowed herself to find more information, the results would have been less favorable to Jodi. By restricting herself, she was able to shoehorn Jodi into her Table of Abuse, or whatever she calls her chart thingie.

ALV did not do her job, so she deserves very little sympathy. She chose to defend someone who murdered another human in cold-blood, and she was willing to turn a blind eye to every shred of evidence that proved her theory was not as sound as she wanted it to be.

And one more thing: I saw that you brought up that Travis went and spent time with Jodi, and blah blah, he obviously wasn't that afraid of her. Sorry, but no. Abuse victims often spend time with their abusers, even if that time is miserable and dangerous for them.

Travis was badly abused by his mother. Is it really, really that shocking to you to think that once Jodi had her claws in him, that Travis had a hard time getting away from her, even if he feared her? Fear and love often go hand-in-hand in abuse cases. It isn't always logical which part wins out.

Alyce was the defense's hired gun, not a expert witness.

"Chart thingie" = continuum


JA and Alyce's Continuum:

[brumby]

What does everyone think of the strange look from the Judge following Alyce's response?

(starts from the beginning)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jGdoHiVH7E

[Lady MacBeth]

Anyone else seen that picture of Jodi and bobby Juarez? To the left of them, you can see a table with lines of cocaine!

already been discussed about 20 pages back. But good eye!

[Harlette]

Okay, how's this for a theory.....

Like everyone I've been racking my brain trying to figure out what is going with Alyce and testifying on Mon/Tue - After watching the Judge again in her instructions to Alyce at one point the Judge nearly says "the State" then changes her mind. So the I think the issue is one the State brought up and I don't think it has to do with her approaching Travis' family. I think it's a complaint aimed directly at the witness and something very serious which leaves her under subpoena, unusual as she's finished testifying as the end of juror questions clearly show, and having been told multiple times she must show back up in court unless otherwise instructed.

So this is what I think. I think Juan has threatened to charge her with perjury and the Judge will be holding a hearing to decide if there is a basis for this, hence Alyce having to return to testify to clarify her statements.

from the atty's i talked to, even if it was perjury, they wouldn't do a hearing until after this trial is done, if they did it during the trial it could cause a mistrial or a winnable appeal - but i don't think she is done w/ testimony, wilmontt gets one more crack at her now that martinez is done - just like nurmi got w/ jodi - so i bet the other thing is having to do w/ samantha or possibly the social media attacks on alyce

[Lady MacBeth]

That issue is low priority. The priority is proving she stalked and it was premeditated. Finding out how many times she had anal sex is not the main point.

Freethinker, im pretty sure coconut was being sarcastic

[Harlette]

[QUOTE=dizzyp;3389909]

I know he's NOT dead... that story, is one of a few recklessly regurgitated @ The State vs Jodi Arias ~ Travis Alexander murder trial FB page... but, to their credit, they retracted it in Feb. of this year:

quote: February 28 at 7:47pm: "I've taken the Bobby Juarez post down. It appears he may not be Arias' ex (Bobby Juarez)"
link: https://www.facebook.com/Justice4Tra...36805213062293

and BTW it's not even that it "may not be Arias' ex" (Bobby Juarez) it's really "a (possible) gang member in San Diego named Bobby Juarez was shot and killed and we just assumed, without doing due diligence, that it was Arias' ex, Bobby Juarez."

San Diego Bobby:
"On July 10, 2008, Robert Juarez (see photo) was shot and killed by a man who approached him on foot..."
link: http://www.utsandiego.com/photos/2010/jul/09/193763/

this is "San Diego Bobby Juarez"
Robert David "Bobby" Juarez
Born: 18 Apr 1980
Died: 10 Jul 2008




"Jodi's Bobby"
Robert Joseph "Bobby" Juarez born 12 Jul 1977 was living in Weed, Calif. (20 miles from Yreka) in 1996 when he met Jodi Arias, and was Matt McCartney's roommate in Medford Oregon (that's how Jodi met Matt, while visiting Bobby). The best evidence I've seen is that Bobby Juarez is living/hiding out on the island of Kauai, HI. but there is no doubt he is alive.

yep! this is jodi's bobby - and san diego isn't near yreka - its a about 7 hrs away

[Sayub]

Those matches turned into matches because of ALV avoiding any answers. Anything she said hardly pertained to what JM asked in the first place. Her favorite statements were the question is not a yes or no. Look at the part when he asked if the word stalking was on her continuum paper. All he asked was if it was printed there. What a three ring circus that turned out to be. Every answer contained a Travis bash, even though it had nothing to do with JM's question. I'm sure the jury must have picked up on this.

Some other lawyer might not have grilled ALV as much as Juan, but he eventually got his points across. Alyce herself caused those grill sessions.

Alyce:

Yes, her parents told me she was a liar & manipulator, but I don't believe them.

Yes, she lied, & acted out but she was a teenager

Yes, she manipulated men, but that was before the homicide

Yes, she tried anal sex, but only once because it hurt

Yes, I know a gun was stolen from her grandparent's but she told me she had nothing to do w/it

Yes, I know Travis' ex-girlfriends testified that they never felt threatened or abused but I don't believe them

Travis had a rough childhood - he's a perpetrator



Jodi: "Yada, yada, yada"

Friends / family / coworkers / friends of Travis' / journal entries / text messages / emails / TV interviews / forensic specialists: "Jodi is lying"

Alyce: "I believe Jodi"

[DenverClipper]

I think this is going to be an exciting week for us trial watchers!

[DenverClipper]

Well, IMO, I think her attorneys are sub par. I think some evidence was let in that her attorneys never even objected to.

One example would be the kool-aid stained car. Why did they let JM bring that up? Why didn't they ask the state if they even tested the kool aid stain? They (the def) just let the Budget guy bring it up and once he did-nothing was ever said about the kool aid stain again. So in some weird way-they let the kool aid just float around without disputing it. If I was a juror, I would assume the kool aid was blood.

The budget guy said there was no floor mats in the car. The attorneys never even bought up the fact that the "check in" sheet doesn't list that it's missing floor mats. Jodi was never charged for missing floor mats (unless there is a sheet that I haven't seen)

The hair color argument is shaky at best. JM can't really prove it, and Nurmi hasn't disproved it. It's just floating around.

Those are a few right off the top of my head. Don't get me wrong, I believe Jodi planned to kill Travis. I think she dyed her hair, rented a plain car, and drove to kill Travis. Then I think everything she did afterwards was to provide herself with an alibi. We all know Jodi killed Travis. Brutally! The overkill of Travis proves it was not self defense. IMO, I believe this trial is about the life or death of Jodi....not the innocent or guilt of Jodi.

The state has a great case with a lot of proof (most would call it a slam dunk kind of case). BUT, the state has to prove everything they say. I know premeditation can come at anytime, but the issue the state *may* have with the jury is the photos of the "fun" Jodi and Travis had before he died. From some of the jury questions-there is somebody that thinks Jodi just snapped.

The bad things about Jodi's attorneys....they are way to worried about getting a mistrial instead of defending their client. They are so busy watching the jury, news, gallery...they don't pay attention to some of the things that the state says.

Those are just some of the reasons I think Jodi has a good case for an appeal (if she is found guilty) I don't think it will do any good-and I think if that happens it will be well in the LONG away future.
Hope that made sense?

Hi Berm - thanks for posting this.

I am not sure if the rental car missing floor mats and/or the cool aid stains rise to the level of being issues for appeal but we will see. I wonder if Juan intends to revisit this on rebuttal.

Thanks again. Always enjoy your posts!

[Sayub]

[QUOTE=dizzyp;3389909]

I know he's NOT dead... that story, is one of a few recklessly regurgitated @ The State vs Jodi Arias ~ Travis Alexander murder trial FB page... but, to their credit, they retracted it in Feb. of this year:

quote: February 28 at 7:47pm: "I've taken the Bobby Juarez post down. It appears he may not be Arias' ex (Bobby Juarez)"
link: https://www.facebook.com/Justice4Tra...36805213062293

and BTW it's not even that it "may not be Arias' ex" (Bobby Juarez) it's really "a (possible) gang member in San Diego named Bobby Juarez was shot and killed and we just assumed, without doing due diligence, that it was Arias' ex, Bobby Juarez."

San Diego Bobby:
"On July 10, 2008, Robert Juarez (see photo) was shot and killed by a man who approached him on foot..."
link: http://www.utsandiego.com/photos/2010/jul/09/193763/

this is "San Diego Bobby Juarez"
Robert David "Bobby" Juarez
Born: 18 Apr 1980
Died: 10 Jul 2008


above: "San Diego Bobby Juarez"


You're right Dizzyp, I'm in a slight fog. I remembered reading that he died but to be sure I searched his name before posting - there's a lot of sites that need to update their info, there was also no resemblence to the pictures released this weekend.
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________

"Jodi's Bobby"
Robert Joseph "Bobby" Juarez born 12 Jul 1977 was living in Weed, Calif. (20 miles from Yreka) in 1996 when he met Jodi Arias, and was Matt McCartney's roommate in Medford Oregon (that's how Jodi met Matt, while visiting Bobby). The best evidence I've seen is that Bobby Juarez is living/hiding out on the island of Kauai, HI. but there is no doubt he is alive.

allegedly this is a relatively recent photos of Jodi's Bobby Juarez

[QUOTE=Harlette;3389922]

[B]



yep! this is jodi's bobby - and san diego isn't near yreka - its a about 7 hrs away

They almost look like twins but he has longer & thicker eyelashes.

[dizzyp]

[QUOTE=Sayub;They almost look like twins but he has longer & thicker eyelashes.[/QUOTE]

I updated my original post with more photos. If you're saying "San Diego Bobby" and "Jodi's Bobby" "almost look like twins" I disagree...

[Freethinker]

I think this is going to be an exciting week for us trial watchers!

Except the cameras will likely not be for viewing at times today, possibly parts of tomorrow due to the nature of these mysterious hearings.

If the court is in session as originally stated, we on the east coast will have to wait till 4:30 for anything. I know other things are going on, but wonder if they'll be televised at an earlier time. Tomorrow will be the mystery of Alyce being there for "other matters".

[Sayub]

Thanks oh right, as soon as I hit reply I realized it was the wrong one.

[Tia111]

I wonder what the color of the day will be. I think following that horrible performance by AL that red would be an amazing choice. These trial days will turn into the good old days for Jodi very soon. She will think back to these days of everyone watching her, how Jen brought her the librarian clothes each day, seeing her family without plexiglass, eating her peanut butter sammy with a nice view of Nurmi, having several people argue her lies on her behalf, she will definitely miss chatting with Disco Donna. I have a feeling she will not miss those fake eyeglasses. You can tell they drive ber nuts and she wants to take them off!

[dizzyp]

I wonder what the color of the day will be. I think following that horrible performance by AL that red would be an amazing choice. These trial days will turn into the good old days for Jodi very soon. She will think back to these days of everyone watching her, how Jen brought her the librarian clothes each day, seeing her family without plexiglass, eating her peanut butter sammy with a nice view of Nurmi, having several people argue her lies on her behalf, she will definitely miss chatting with Disco Donna. I have a feeling she will not miss those fake eyeglasses. You can tell they drive ber nuts and she wants to take them off!

Maybe "LWN" would be the most severe punishment--- "Life With Nurmi"

[Sylvian]

Hey, been busy over the weekend so just catching up. So will Alyce no longer be on the stand as of today? Are we expecting to hear from the computer forensic guy?

[Tia111]

Maybe "LWN" would be a the most severe punishment--- "Life With Nurmi"

Talk about crime prevention! He really needs to attend some court ettiquette classes. I keep holding out hope that he and Jen are paying attention to Juan. After this trial, jen really should watch the utube videos and learn how to properly ask questions. Her current method is beyond painful. Something tells me that after this trial these 2 will have lotsof time for reflection.

[wasthinking]

Hey, been busy over the weekend so just catching up. So will Alyce no longer be on the stand as of today? Are we expecting to hear from the computer forensic guy?

It's not defined yet . She might be back tomorrow, unless the judge release her from her subpeona. We don't know more than what the judge hinted at as 'other issue'.
Def hasn 't rested yet, so Rebuttal hasn't started. We most likely will open with the prosecutor misconduct motion and Grace Wong from HLN testifying, she was ordered to be there.

[Shahoolie11]

Just my little observation and COMPLETELY irrelevant...but I think if:

Fred Armisen



and George Zimmerman:


had a lovechild - it would be San Diego Bobby Juarez:

[wasthinking]

Court PIO doesn't say it is a closed door hearing or not.

MC Superior Court‏@courtpio
Hearings in #JodiArias begin on Monday at 9:30 without jury. Jury told to come in at 1:30 pm.



next 2 wks court schedule for anyone that might have missed it

4/15/2013 9:30 hearings 1:30 Trial
4/16/2013 9:30 Trial
4/17/2013 9:30 Trial
4/18/2013 9:30 Trial

No Trial Monday 4/22/2013
4/23/2013 9:30 Trial
4/24/2013 9:30 Trial
4/25/2013 9:30 Trial

[elamir]

What does everyone think of the strange look from the Judge following Alyce's response?

(starts from the beginning)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jGdoHiVH7E

I thought it was because the question was quite clear (and so did the Judge by the look of it) yet Alyce preceded to waffle then say I don't really know what you mean and totally did not answer the question that was posed. I thought the Judge's look was priceless.

[elamir]

That's a good guess. My guess is that it has something to do with Alyce approaching Sam, or the HLN people.

Of course, it would be funny as hell if JM plans on calling Alyce as a rebuttal witness. Maybe JM knows Alyce wants to leave bad, and JM told the judge that as soon as the defense rest...he plans on calling Alyce. There were a few questions he tried to ask her-but Palin objected b/c they were beyond the scope of the jury questions. Maybe he wants to call her to ask her a few of those questions.

Just had another thought, that computer guy is testifying today, maybe defence is trying to get the other 6 phone recordings into evidence, and Alyce will be called back to testify to more Jodi abuse?

[Brillig]

Freethinker, im pretty sure coconut was being sarcastic

Perish the thought! Our sweet, serious coconut would never be sarcastic!!

They almost look like twins but he has longer & thicker eyelashes.

That's because Bobbi is wearing mascara and Jodi is natural.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

OK another observation as I sit here rewatching ALV on the stand......she refers to Travis as a liar and being deceptive to family, friends and church about his virginity.
BUT wasn't ALV being deceptive to HER friends and family before she "came out"?

I'm sure Alyce would have a very convenient story to explain that away.

Personally, I don't care if she gets LWOP or DP, whether she's happy or miserable...as long as she is locked away from society. She would do this again. No human being with half a heart or half a brain would do what she has done. She's a lethal, cunning predator and should be caged like the rabid animal she is.

The thought of JA getting love letters and (almost certainly) marriage proposals and gifts (maybe money) while sitting in jail with LWOP is almost enough to make me pro-death penalty

If she gets the DP she will live under harsher conditions and be deprived of many things and I have to admit that thought is pleasing. What is not pleasing is the thought that if given the DP she will further torture TA's family through the appeals process for the next 20+ years.

She has Gollum fingers.

She totally does, and they are creepy.

Her precious is her journals

Okay, how's this for a theory.....

Like everyone I've been racking my brain trying to figure out what is going with Alyce and testifying on Mon/Tue - After watching the Judge again in her instructions to Alyce at one point the Judge nearly says "the State" then changes her mind. So the I think the issue is one the State brought up and I don't think it has to do with her approaching Travis' family. I think it's a complaint aimed directly at the witness and something very serious which leaves her under subpoena, unusual as she's finished testifying as the end of juror questions clearly show, and having been told multiple times she must show back up in court unless otherwise instructed.

So this is what I think. I think Juan has threatened to charge her with perjury and the Judge will be holding a hearing to decide if there is a basis for this, hence Alyce having to return to testify to clarify her statements.

The Judge clearly says that she has not completed her testimony and based on the comings/goings of Stabby and her defense team from the Judge's chambers without the presence of JM on so many occasions something is rotten in the state of Denmark. I doubt JM would suggest he'd charge her with perjury unless what she said/did was really egregious like altering her notes or with holding some evidence

ETA: this may be the same nutjob that that wrote she's been checking out all the forums & message boards, taking screenshots of negative JA comments & sending them to the FBI

I'm sure the FBI is jumping right on it

Alyce:

Yes, her parents told me she was a liar & manipulator, but I don't believe them.

Yes, she lied, & acted out but she was a teenager

Yes, she manipulated men, but that was before the homicide

Yes, she tried anal sex, but only once because it hurt

Yes, I know a gun was stolen from her grandparent's but she told me she had nothing to do w/it

Yes, I know Travis' ex-girlfriends testified that they never felt threatened or abused but I don't believe them

Travis had a rough childhood - he's a perpetrator



Jodi: "Yada, yada, yada"

Friends / family / coworkers / friends of Travis' / journal entries / text messages / emails / TV interviews / forensic specialists: "Jodi is lying"

Alyce: "I believe Jodi"

Shorter Alyce "Even if I had video of her slashing tires, sneaking in the doggie door, peeping through windows, slapping and kicking her mother I would still say Stabby farts rainbows and unicorns"

[grasee]

Just had another thought, that computer guy is testifying today, maybe defence is trying to get the other 6 phone recordings into evidence, and Alyce will be called back to testify to more Jodi abuse?

I don't think the defense team want her back up. She was pretty much impeached.