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    kind of teaser was that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DenverClipper View Post
    We're back
    I love it when the judge teases everyone like that. Now everyone's back in chambers

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    Twitter is saying Travis' family is also in the judge's chambers.

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    Something I don't understand....how come things that are deemed "too prejudicial" to the defendant are not allowed in evidence...however it seems that things that are "too prejudicial" toward the victim are allowed in eveidence....I don't understand this...can on of you legal experts give me a little education on this...Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by royals02 View Post
    Something I don't understand....how come things that are deemed "too prejudicial" to the defendant are not allowed in evidence...however it seems that things that are "too prejudicial" toward the victim are allowed in eveidence....I don't understand this...can on of you legal experts give me a little education on this...Thanks
    Less info for appeal later.


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    I find it hilarious that YOU are acting all high and mighty toward us when you're posting on here just like anyone else and in addition, defending a murderer. A child murderer, at that. Go fuck a Popsicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coconut View Post
    Slow day at court. Just daydreamin'



    What am I gonna do when they set me free?

    I am too famous to live in the USA, and too smart to live in Canada. I like Australia. It's huge and I can get a Range Rover with plenty of gas cans in the back. Koalas are cute. Maybe if I ask Gus he will buy me a ticket to go there. We can put together a dream team and move the whole gang to Sydney. Me, Gus, Alyce, Samuels, Donovan, the twins, Doggyboy. Abe you wanna come with, hotti biscotti?

    I will open a theme restaurant/cafe in Sydney. With all my artwork and photography on the walls. How amazing would that be? Jodi's Art Cafe! I will retire as a waitress because of my finger injuries. Donovan can be the manager and my bodyguard. I'm sure the Aussies will love her spirit and she's really good at rugby. Gus can be my sugar daddy and we will probably do a reality show so everyone can keep up with my life after the trial. Nurmi already said he will rep me in Hollywood so he must stay behind in Phoenix. Sad face!

    We will have karaoke contests and serve coffee and Cinnabons. I already have the recipe. And best of all I can do my LDS mission at the same time. After a couple years of teaching Australians how to be good Mormons, my sould will be clean and I can take a freaky Australian Mormon for my husband... whoa, both my hands were sinking down into my lap! Stop it Jodi, trial is back on silly girl!
    Bwahaha

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    Counsel as well as Samantha and Travis' brother and #JodiArias are called back to chambers. Stay tuned.
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    That sucks. Wonder if it's a major problem or just a question about a jury question?

    That jury must get so mad waiting all the time.

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    So, Travis' brother and sisters are back in judge's chambers with counsel and Jodi.

    Can you imagine how it must feel for them, standing right next to her in such close quarters - much closer to her than they ever are DURING court (and the court room is rather large)?! I can't imagine the restraint to stand so close to her and not act out at her. Not to mention, she is probably smirking at them knowing they've been listening to their brother's name and character being dragged through the mud. So many prayers for them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bermstalker View Post
    Twitter is saying Travis' family is also in the judge's chambers.
    JM includes them in jury questions
    "Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are" --- Benjamin Franklin

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    Quote Originally Posted by coconut View Post
    Slow day at court. Just daydreamin'



    What am I gonna do when they set me free?

    I am too famous to live in the USA, and too smart to live in Canada. I like Australia. It's huge and I can get a Range Rover with plenty of gas cans in the back. Koalas are cute. Maybe if I ask Gus he will buy me a ticket to go there. We can put together a dream team and move the whole gang to Sydney. Me, Gus, Alyce, Samuels, Donovan, the twins, Doggyboy. Abe you wanna come with, hotti biscotti?

    I will open a theme restaurant/cafe in Sydney. With all my artwork and photography on the walls. How amazing would that be? Jodi's Art Cafe! I will retire as a waitress because of my finger injuries. Donovan can be the manager and my bodyguard. I'm sure the Aussies will love her spirit and she's really good at rugby. Gus can be my sugar daddy and we will probably do a reality show so everyone can keep up with my life after the trial. Nurmi already said he will rep me in Hollywood so he must stay behind in Phoenix. Sad face!

    We will have karaoke contests and serve coffee and Cinnabons. I already have the recipe. And best of all I can do my LDS mission at the same time. After a couple years of teaching Australians how to be good Mormons, my sould will be clean and I can take a freaky Australian Mormon for my husband... whoa, both my hands were sinking down into my lap! Stop it Jodi, trial is back on silly girl!
    coco, you are the best! too bad she needs two hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wishmich View Post
    Of course a defendant has a right to participate in their own defense. However, JM doesn't give a list of questions in advance. Just sayin'
    Not sure what you mean. JM sees them, can share them with the victims family too. Both sides get to review and or object to the questions.
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    Listening to Alyce repeat this crap about how much TA had to lose. She seemingly forgets that it's TA that's dead. Not Stabby.

    TA didn't drive 1000 miles to lure Stabby into a seated naked defenseless position in a shower so he could stab her to death, slit her throat and shoot her in the head. If he had it would all be over but the crying by now, he'd be on death throw, probably half way through the appeals process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LurkerGirl View Post
    Brillig, while I understand legally these texts (making jodi look bad) may be too prejudicial to be admitted. It still is kind of rediculous that her portion can't be shown no matter what it looks like, because it is part of the case, these messages. Seems like if they can use travis's words in these texts to make him look bad, the jury should be able to see what she said, no matter how it makes her look.
    Just sucks, it's not complete information.
    I would also be fascinated to know what is in there, presumably a huge bombshell, or it would not have been kept out.

    In general, I am glad we have court rules that attempt to keep things fair. I believe that while there are instances where the result seems unfair, that the rules in general are a good thing, and part of what distinguishes America from, say, Saudi Arabia or some other country where an accused person has no rights at all and there is little or no justice.

    However, in this particular instance, I think that whatever Jodi said in those texts should have been allowed in, particularly since the defense is using the "trash Travis" defense and relying so heavily on his half of the conversation to try and make Jodi look like a victim and Travis look like an abuser. Sadly, they don't let me make the decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by royals02 View Post
    Something I don't understand....how come things that are deemed "too prejudicial" to the defendant are not allowed in evidence...however it seems that things that are "too prejudicial" toward the victim are allowed in eveidence....I don't understand this...can on of you legal experts give me a little education on this...Thanks
    Travis isn't on trial--in spite of it seeming that way. His reputation doesn't matter as far as the law goes in this trial. But you can't bring in history of other crimes committed by defendant for fear she'll be convicted on the theory that she is a bad person rather than she committed this crime.

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    Hey guys. Just got back from my courthouse. Did juror questions start yet??

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasthinking View Post
    Not sure what you mean. JM sees them, can share them with the victims family too. Both sides get to review and or object to the questions.
    I think they were saying that he doesn't GIVE the defense witness (whether it be Jodi or someone else) a list of the questions HE is going to ask, so we get the "caught unawares" factor on Juan's cross even if we don't get it on the jury questions. I believe that is what they were getting at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartyT View Post
    Can anyone tell me why everybody under the sun seems to preview to jury questions? Doesn't this diminish their impact? Surely only the judge should edit duplicates? Rehearsing answers and attorney questions seems against the spirit of jury probing.
    Not entirely sure, but I think that some questions cannot be asked for legal reasons. And the defense and prosecution argue over whether some of them are legal (prejudical or something???). Just guessing really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bete noire View Post
    Well he did lie too and he did lead a double life...the evidence of the case minus Jodi Arias, mind you...testimony proves this. No one is perfect not even Travis.

    Lots of people lie.He absolutely DID lead a double life when you talk about sex... but when you really think about it, is keeping your sex life a secret from people really living a double life? Maybe he just wanted to keep his personal life, ya know, PERSONAL? I know I would. There are lots of scenarios where people have led double lives, i think keeping ones PRIVATE sex life a secret is not really that bad... don't you think? I know it's frowned on in the church and whatnot, and would effect a lot of things in his life... but I don't see that as being really too awful. Maybe it's just me?
    Sure, privacy is sacred, no doubt....BUT Travis made a commitment to a sect of organized religion that prohibited this kind of behavior. Had he not been affiliated with Mormonism and trumpeted its benefits and morals etc, it would have been a different story for him. Remember, at least 2 of the women, he had romantic interest in, he challenged them to read the Book of Mormon. The bottom line is, yes...a private sex life is completely acceptable as long as that person does not adhere to the dogma of organized religion in a very public way. Travis was very visible spokesman for his beliefs. Great. Its OK to believe what you believe but if you are a public figure on any level then....the risk is obvious. Either don't do it, or don't get caught or ....the best scenario : confess ones weaknesses with the intent towards healing . You can't have it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brillig View Post
    I would also be fascinated to know what is in there, presumably a huge bombshell, or it would not have been kept out.

    In general, I am glad we have court rules that attempt to keep things fair. I believe that while there are instances where the result seems unfair, that the rules in general are a good thing, and part of what distinguishes America from, say, Saudi Arabia or some other country where an accused person has no rights at all and there is little or no justice.

    However, in this particular instance, I think that whatever Jodi said in those texts should have been allowed in, particularly since the defense is using the "trash Travis" defense and relying so heavily on his half of the conversation to try and make Jodi look like a victim and Travis look like an abuser. Sadly, they don't let me make the decisions.
    I have to believe there are smart enough people on this jury to know the reason they don't get to see all of Jodi's texts are because they aren't good for her.

    Also the US has the best legal system in the world. It isn't perfect, but it is the best there is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakers the Wonder Dog View Post
    Listening to Alyce repeat this crap about how much TA had to lose. She seemingly forgets that it's TA that's dead. Not Stabby.

    TA didn't drive 1000 miles to lure Stabby into a seated naked defenseless position in a shower so he could stab her to death, slit her throat and shoot her in the head. If he had it would all be over but the crying by now, he'd be on death throw, probably half way through the appeals process.

    I despise Alyce Laviolette.
    ditto...ah but we know via Jodi that Travis would smile for his mug shot....
    Jodi ruins everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChelseyDawn View Post
    I think they were saying that he doesn't GIVE the defense witness (whether it be Jodi or someone else) a list of the questions HE is going to ask, so we get the "caught unawares" factor on Juan's cross even if we don't get it on the jury questions. I believe that is what they were getting at.
    I must be having an off day, what would JMs cross have to do with jury questions? JM is a icensed attorney and would know what he could ask, jurors a lay people so their questions have to be reviewed for the same standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coconut View Post
    Slow day at court. Just daydreamin'



    What am I gonna do when they set me free?

    I am too famous to live in the USA, and too smart to live in Canada. I like Australia. It's huge and I can get a Range Rover with plenty of gas cans in the back. Koalas are cute. Maybe if I ask Gus he will buy me a ticket to go there. We can put together a dream team and move the whole gang to Sydney. Me, Gus, Alyce, Samuels, Donovan, the twins, Doggyboy. Abe you wanna come with, hotti biscotti?

    I will open a theme restaurant/cafe in Sydney. With all my artwork and photography on the walls. How amazing would that be? Jodi's Art Cafe! I will retire as a waitress because of my finger injuries. Donovan can be the manager and my bodyguard. I'm sure the Aussies will love her spirit and she's really good at rugby. Gus can be my sugar daddy and we will probably do a reality show so everyone can keep up with my life after the trial. Nurmi already said he will rep me in Hollywood so he must stay behind in Phoenix. Sad face!

    We will have karaoke contests and serve coffee and Cinnabons. I already have the recipe. And best of all I can do my LDS mission at the same time. After a couple years of teaching Australians how to be good Mormons, my sould will be clean and I can take a freaky Australian Mormon for my husband... whoa, both my hands were sinking down into my lap! Stop it Jodi, trial is back on silly girl!
    This is rich! great insight into her thoughts

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    Quote Originally Posted by VioletPlanet View Post
    Sure, privacy is sacred, no doubt....BUT Travis made a commitment to a sect of organized religion that prohibited this kind of behavior. Had he not been affiliated with Mormonism and trumpeted its benefits and morals etc, it would have been a different story for him. Remember, at least 2 of the women, he had romantic interest in, he challenged them to read the Book of Mormon. The bottom line is, yes...a private sex life is completely acceptable as long as that person does not adhere to the dogma of organized religion in a very public way. Travis was very visible spokesman for his beliefs. Great. Its OK to believe what you believe but if you are a public figure on any level then....the risk is obvious. Either don't do it, or don't get caught or ....the best scenario : confess ones weaknesses with the intent towards healing . You can't have it all.
    I don't get your point. I don't know of any religion that condones sex outside of marriage. Or thinks that anyone is without sin. So Travis slipped up like about 90 % of young men his age in his generation.

    Beside Jodi was in this religion too, so just as guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brillig View Post
    I would also be fascinated to know what is in there, presumably a huge bombshell, or it would not have been kept out.

    In general, I am glad we have court rules that attempt to keep things fair. I believe that while there are instances where the result seems unfair, that the rules in general are a good thing, and part of what distinguishes America from, say, Saudi Arabia or some other country where an accused person has no rights at all and there is little or no justice.

    However, in this particular instance, I think that whatever Jodi said in those texts should have been allowed in, particularly since the defense is using the "trash Travis" defense and relying so heavily on his half of the conversation to try and make Jodi look like a victim and Travis look like an abuser. Sadly, they don't let me make the decisions.
    I totally agree on this one. Something made Travis react in the way he did, in those messages. The jury should be allowed to see the context of why he said what he did. The defense is saying "read THIS and see? He calls Jodi a sociopath, and the worst thing that ever happened to him! See how ABUSIVE he was to her?" But, just like the infamous sex tape, revealing only part of the conversation can make the situation appear far different than it actually is. I want to see what it was that he was replying to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasthinking View Post
    Not sure what you mean. JM sees them, can share them with the victims family too. Both sides get to review and or object to the questions.
    What I mean is that JM does not have to give the defendant a list of his questions in advance. She has the evidence and knows what he will probably ask. The jury will ask questions based on ALV's testimony. It should be the same thing. Does that make sense?

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