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Thread: Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

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    Quote Originally Posted by coconut View Post
    Travis was a manipulator. Maybe not as good as Jodi, but they both have talent for manipulation.

    When Travis wanted Jodi around, she was his friend/fuckbuddy/maid/confidant/rock.

    When Travis didn't want Jodi around, she was a stalker.

    When Travis wanted to convince other women he didn't have a crazy fuckbuddy on the side, Jodi was a stalker.

    You can't have it both ways at the same time. Yes, Jodi was a crazy possessive jealous unstable disturbing horndog diary-filling killer. But not a stalker.
    Wanna bet? he had it THREE ways!
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    I missed about half of Dr. Drew, so not sure if he had a lip-reader or not. Someone had Dave Hall on; I think it might've been Dr. Drew. NG had a woman on, can't recall the first name, but last name was Hiatt. She's the sister of one of Travis' close friends. She talked about Jodi slashing Travis' tires. From what she said, it sounded like it wasn't just 2 incidents with all 4 tires slashed, but continuing slashings of a tire here and there, for a period of time. She said that Travis told her brother that Jodi did it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sheesh View Post
    I'm not down with this.

    Laviolette is proven to be a piss poor witness. Laviolette was given limited information, we find out, and made a bad choice joining this defense -- I've made some bad choices.

    But she has done years of good work educating & counseling around domestic violence, which is a significant problem in our society.

    She goes into a room with abusers and changes some of their ways.

    Alyce has earned a good bit of derision from her association with Arias -- and she's getting it, look at those Amazon reviews. I think that's enough, and hope she'll learn from this mess.

    Just my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnieBelle View Post
    I thought I'd seen ALL the autopsy photos, but I found a few that I hadn't seen yet, on someone's photo bucket account. OMG. One of just his face, probably for identification purposes. The first time I've seen the gunshot wound to his head. His eyes are closed, and his throat wound is covered. How on EARTH could she do that to him? To another human being? It makes me more angry than ever, knowing she is trying to justify that??!!! Plead guilty to first degree MURDER, Jodi. Save your friggin' soul and save his family from any more pain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M Joy View Post
    Dworkin was the computer guy that showed the peen pics that were on JA's hard drive.

    There was another guy that came in for about 5 minutes just prior to JA taking the stand that said he verified the voices, right?
    No clue why the defense would want him back. I could almost see prosecution wanting him back just because I have always felt there was something off with that phone sex tape. Just doesn't sound "natural" to me. Some of it sounded forced in a way.
    Same guy I have always said that sex tape sounded odd, off, unnatural. I've wondered many times if it was not something she cobbled together from other surreptitious recordings. The phone with the recording on it going magically missing and the turning up just in the nick of time (or so it seems) is just too weird.
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    I'm not sure why he emphasized TA's IM where he says he is 'extremely afraid' of Jodi, knowing that TA joked in the same IM about this, and IM'd Jodi several times that same day. Also, the phone sex tape was made just 9 days prior to this.

    Also not sure why Willmott chose to dwell on Jodi's journal entries, arguing that just because she didn't write about TA's 'abuse' doesn't mean it didn't happen. Has the jury seen the journal entries from after the murder where she writes 'OMG I just heard Travis is dead' etc. etc? I don't remember if those were shown at trial or not. If so I wouldn't waste any time on the journals, on either side.

    Last but not least, I think the emails, texts and IMs are a problem...they don't lie, and they show Travis had a nasty temper, even rage on some of them, and was verbally abusive. Does that explain or justify the overkill? Not to me, but suppose there is a JAII type on the jury, or someone who has experienced abuse in their life...could this resonate with someone like that and/or plant that 'seed of doubt' that maybe Jodi was in fear for her life that day? I wonder...someone on hln said that the defense isn't going for a home run here, they are going for punts and singles, chipping away. I agree and it worries me.
    The jokes on the IM don't bother me, we don't know how long the IM session is and even if it was a short convo I've had serious convo's then changed the subject real quick to humor. Also I have heard it described by those who have been stalked that cutting off communication is like being in shark infested water and not knowing where the shark was, so some do keep a close eye on those they are afraid off. I'm also wondering you can be really afraid and at the same time try to ignore your fears. Idk just my thoughts.

    Juan will need to have a great rebuttal and closing to wrap it with a bow though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakers the Wonder Dog View Post
    Wraith like is the word that comes to mind as I read your comments. She scares the fuck out of me just watching her on the live stream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryanwasdrunk View Post
    The bigoted cops who beat Rodney King probably put a lot of real, actual bad guys behind bars during their careers too. Shame on those LA rioters for not admiring them for that back in '92.
    Two of my friends were viciously attacked by some L.A. rioters as we were all running for safety. I wouldn't credit the L.A. rioters for making ANY important statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M Joy View Post
    Dworkin was the computer guy that showed the peen pics that were on JA's hard drive.

    There was another guy that came in for about 5 minutes just prior to JA taking the stand that said he verified the voices, right?
    No clue why the defense would want him back. I could almost see prosecution wanting him back just because I have always felt there was something off with that phone sex tape. Just doesn't sound "natural" to me. Some of it sounded forced in a way.


    Computer forensic examiner Lonnie Dworkin (pictured below) testified that he recovered the photo of the underwear from Arias? camera found by investigators.

    defense witness - and he wasn't very good the first time

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    Quote Originally Posted by dizzyp View Post
    agree with sheesh. Alyce has plotted her own future... Karma, fate, whatever you want to call it will take care of it.
    I still believe that she WAS provided more than enough information to see that JA was NOT abused by Travis but out of greed for fame and fortune decided to twist the information to fit the murdering skanks story!!!!!!! she's made a very, very poor choice for herself in doing this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freethinker View Post
    Did Dr Drew have the lip reader on? He said there would be one for tonight. Wouldn't you know, a visitor arrived just as the program started.
    This case is like crack. My hubby recently became addicted and was looking forward to the lip reader. Sadly, no lip reader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by *crickets* View Post
    Okay, we've pretty much established that Alyce is DESPICABLE, Willmott is OMG SOO ANNOYING and Juan is AWESOME...the last 25 pages or so have been variations of those 3 points. Is anyone interested in talking about where we stand in the trial? Just in case anyone is, here are my humble observations...

    Martinez has continued to maintain admirable self-control, props for that! He has established that ALV is biased in choosing what she believes and what she does not, and bases her conclusions from a biased point of view in favor of Jodi. Aso, she based her BWS dx largely from interviews with Jodi and Jodi's journals, both of which have been shown to be untruthful (to say the least.)

    I'm not sure why he emphasized TA's IM where he says he is 'extremely afraid' of Jodi, knowing that TA joked in the same IM about this, and IM'd Jodi several times that same day. Also, the phone sex tape was made just 9 days prior to this.

    Also not sure why Willmott chose to dwell on Jodi's journal entries, arguing that just because she didn't write about TA's 'abuse' doesn't mean it didn't happen. Has the jury seen the journal entries from after the murder where she writes 'OMG I just heard Travis is dead' etc. etc? I don't remember if those were shown at trial or not. If so I wouldn't waste any time on the journals, on either side.

    Last but not least, I think the emails, texts and IMs are a problem...they don't lie, and they show Travis had a nasty temper, even rage on some of them, and was verbally abusive. Does that explain or justify the overkill? Not to me, but suppose there is a JAII type on the jury, or someone who has experienced abuse in their life...could this resonate with someone like that and/or plant that 'seed of doubt' that maybe Jodi was in fear for her life that day? I wonder...someone on hln said that the defense isn't going for a home run here, they are going for punts and singles, chipping away. I agree and it worries me.
    Didn't the state start out acknowledging Travis wasn't all people thought he was or something like that? I think we will hear a small sentence again like that on closing.
    I agree, from the first time I read his myspace 'who would I like to meet' and blog, I felt he he had 'issues' with women. (ref "whores" as dime a dozen) Hughes' also reflect they thought he had issues which pointed to disrespecting women not anger issues in the full sense of the meanings. Not a shocker for someone from his background. Or like many males that value the piece of ass then call it a whore for getting it.
    But, I still hold firmly, we are all flawed and that doesn't flag us that we will be slaughtered, butchered down for those flaws. Had Travis not been murdered, he could have gone on to change, to work on those issues. I think there is evidence he had become aware he had them and was readying to face them.

    IMs and fear I posted about already so I won't repeat it, but I completely 'get it'. And in this era of electronic communications, I also know it is possible to one minute joke and the next be serious, it's not a complicated point to make to any juror that isn't 'old fashioned' and knows text / IMs and how they can go. No more complicated than how we right here one minute joke and the next cry or are pissed or creeped out.

    Bottom line to me is, verbal abuse, hurt feelings is not a crime. I don't beleive he was ever physically abusive. The anger and rage evidence shows me was in Jodi Arias, the killer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by faq_q View Post
    Katie is here, can't get a picture because it is not allowed but might get autograph. Not used to mobile website.
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    I am waiting with the crowd to get in! Arrived at 11:30 and chances look good. When lunch started there was a stampede. Saw alv and the defense team in huge hall. The 18 yr old and Katie and Stacy, Drew jurors r sitting here too. Took a pic w Katie but my eyes were closed. Decided late last night to just do it!
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    The link to the photos is here. They are the library of a user on photo bucket by the name of "forwinteriscoming" and they are listed for public viewing.
    BE WARNED...VERY DISTURBING AND GRAPHIC PHOTOS

    http://s1352.photobucket.com/user/fo...brary/?page=1:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brillig View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harlette View Post


    Computer forensic examiner Lonnie Dworkin (pictured below) testified that he recovered the photo of the underwear from Arias? camera found by investigators.

    defense witness - and he wasn't very good the first time
    I wonder if he will more 8x10 glossy penis pictures this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakers the Wonder Dog View Post
    Same guy I have always said that sex tape sounded odd, off, unnatural. I've wondered many times if it was not something she cobbled together from other surreptitious recordings. The phone with the recording on it going magically missing and the turning up just in the nick of time (or so it seems) is just too weird.
    two different dudes
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    But I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels that way about the recording. Kinda fits in with the newly surfacing may 2008 journal entries that sound like she's talking to someone besides herself trying to convince someone of something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppycock View Post
    I was there, right after I wrote that and saw faq's post I went over to this guy in a blue shirt, and said are you faq q? It was and we were chatting and some lady over heard and she is an MDS lurker. It was a real adventure for me, I am sure I will go again with a friend who thought I was going tomorrow, I cant go on Thursdays so went ahead and blazed the trail. If anyone wants details on address, courtroom, parking and so on pm me. More later, still unwinding. Got home at 6, traffic was awful. And I got stuck in a stairwell!
    Hey you! It was such a pleasure getting to know you today! I think all the MDSers in AZ need to attend at once! PM me and let me know when you are thinking of going again!


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    I find it hilarious that YOU are acting all high and mighty toward us when you're posting on here just like anyone else and in addition, defending a murderer. A child murderer, at that. Go fuck a Popsicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakers the Wonder Dog View Post
    Same guy I have always said that sex tape sounded odd, off, unnatural. I've wondered many times if it was not something she cobbled together from other surreptitious recordings. The phone with the recording on it going magically missing and the turning up just in the nick of time (or so it seems) is just too weird.
    I read something a month or so ago about JA's brother stating that she recorded it to scare off any girlfriend that Travis may have. I don't know if it's true but if so it would make sense that she would create it to sound the way she wanted it to sound............ we must remember that she is of a superior intelligence........... she's a regular Einstein!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by faq_q View Post
    Hey you! It was such a pleasure getting to know you today! I think all the MDSers in AZ need to attend at once! PM me and let me know when you are thinking of going again!


    i am looking for you, but so far this is all i found , so far they aren't showing the gallery, did you get there when the session started when alyce's phone go off or earlier
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnieBelle View Post
    The link to the photos is here. They are the library of a user on photo bucket by the name of "forwinteriscoming" and they are listed for public viewing.
    BE WARNED...VERY DISTURBING AND GRAPHIC PHOTOS

    http://s1352.photobucket.com/user/fo...brary/?page=1:
    OMG these are brutal...I couldn't get past the first page. More nightmare material. Can't unsee them, or the praying mantis Jodi pic either. Maybe I'll just stay up all night instead and try to think happy thoughts. Or watch YouTube videos of puppies and babies...jeesh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by olgasbunghole View Post
    I still believe that she WAS provided more than enough information to see that JA was NOT abused by Travis but out of greed for fame and fortune decided to twist the information to fit the murdering skanks story!!!!!!! she's made a very, very poor choice for herself in doing this!
    I agree with you. Because of the fact that she did not concede, in the slightest bit, even given the information (even hypotheticals) by JM, today. Witnesses are supposed to testify to the truth, regardless of which side they are testifying for. I lost ALL respect for her opinion when she said that she disbelieved Travis Alexander when he wrote that he was very afraid of his stalker. I just looked at the autopsy photos of Travis.....and, you know what I think? He had a very good REASON to be afraid. It disgusts me to think that Jodi's ugly and distorted face was the last image that his man saw. I am sure that Alyce saw those photos, too. And for her to insist that JODI was the abused party? OMFG!

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    According to this person who posted on twitter, any/all of us could be Jodi. http://jessicaknight82.wordpress.com...vis-alexander/

    She's sure got some issues.

    Social media has condemned Jodi Arias, claiming she is evil, defective and such. I wonder, though, how much of that is actually correct? More likely, any one of us could be Jodi Arias. We?ve all been in unfavorable relationship situations. I myself have plotted the death of a few men in my day. I was sure at the time that they had it coming. However, my plan always stopped in the planning process. Guess that means I had higher impulse control. As for the whole mental problems issue, well, of course she has mental issues. That?s pretty obvious. However, who doesn?t have mental issues? I?m sure if any of us actually sat down with any kind of professional, we would all be diagnosed with something. So really every one is defective in some way. And any one of us could snap in a moment and off someone. It?s not a pretty picture.
    I?ve wished several men dead in my past, thinking of spontaneous things that would cause their death. Friends and I even disconnected what we thought were brake lines on one man?s car (turned out to be the battery, teenage girls, not always mechanical wizards, ya know.) PS that one was not my idea, I just didn?t stop it from going that far and, after how he turned out as an adult, the world might have been a better place if that plan had worked, but wrong still. Fact is, most of us don?t actually carry out the plans to kill the bastard. She did. That?s why we are all now brought together.
    Yep, Jodi fans are definitely unbalanced. The funny thing is, they tell themselves that what they are doing -- be it stalking, or apparently in this girl's case, cutting brake lines -- that that is just something normal to think about and do, and everyone would do it.

    Just, wow.


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    Quote Originally Posted by M Joy View Post
    two different dudes
    But I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels that way about the recording. Kinda fits in with the newly surfacing may 2008 journal entries that sound like she's talking to someone besides herself trying to convince someone of something?
    Whoopsie! LOL They were so unimpressionable that I molded them into one person. Thanks for correcting me. That recording set off my hinky meter right away, first time I heard it.

    Especially the part where she asks "What's a cream pie"

    It sounds sooo fake!
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    Quote Originally Posted by *crickets* View Post
    Okay, we've pretty much established that Alyce is DESPICABLE, Willmott is OMG SOO ANNOYING and Juan is AWESOME...the last 25 pages or so have been variations of those 3 points. Is anyone interested in talking about where we stand in the trial? Just in case anyone is, here are my humble observations...

    Martinez has continued to maintain admirable self-control, props for that! He has established that ALV is biased in choosing what she believes and what she does not, and bases her conclusions from a biased point of view in favor of Jodi. Aso, she based her BWS dx largely from interviews with Jodi and Jodi's journals, both of which have been shown to be untruthful (to say the least.)

    I'm not sure why he emphasized TA's IM where he says he is 'extremely afraid' of Jodi, knowing that TA joked in the same IM about this, and IM'd Jodi several times that same day. Also, the phone sex tape was made just 9 days prior to this.

    Also not sure why Willmott chose to dwell on Jodi's journal entries, arguing that just because she didn't write about TA's 'abuse' doesn't mean it didn't happen. Has the jury seen the journal entries from after the murder where she writes 'OMG I just heard Travis is dead' etc. etc? I don't remember if those were shown at trial or not. If so I wouldn't waste any time on the journals, on either side.

    Last but not least, I think the emails, texts and IMs are a problem...they don't lie, and they show Travis had a nasty temper, even rage on some of them, and was verbally abusive. Does that explain or justify the overkill? Not to me, but suppose there is a JAII type on the jury, or someone who has experienced abuse in their life...could this resonate with someone like that and/or plant that 'seed of doubt' that maybe Jodi was in fear for her life that day? I wonder...someone on hln said that the defense isn't going for a home run here, they are going for punts and singles, chipping away. I agree and it worries me.
    Are people not allowed to become angry over something someone has done? Does that automatically label someone angry as being verbally abusive? If that's the case, everyone I know, including myself has at some point been verbally abusive. It's not a pattern; it's not a character flaw....it's a circumstance. We don't know what set him off. If we do, I missed it. When you look at the whole picture, a day of anger, or even rage as you state, does not make or break the case. And by the way, what is so scary about an IM? It couldn't have been that scary since she still took a trip there. Did he threaten her in those IM's? Since I have not read them (can't find them anywhere), I don't know that he did. It seems folks tend to focus on the testimony last heard. I don't think Miss Alyce is a make-or-break.

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