Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[Peace Corpse]

We now have two separate people that you see as credible because of their connection to the prosecution (Flores & Huges) saying that Travis was a player/user when it came to women. Mimi rejected him for this reason as well. All prosecution witnesses or contributors.

Rather than accept that, now you try to say that Jodi hacked the Hughes email to forge the email, and Flores was lying. I guess Jodi is not alone in her deep denial in the face of overwhelming evidence.

And the blonde girl ( Travis dated) who took the stand also said she felt uncomfortable with Travis's overly sexual emails so soon into the relationship? Right?

[faq_q]

Night peeps, so looking forward to tomorrow morning at 9:30 my time

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Here's an interesting point of view on the "stolen" dvd player and why she went back to OG's house to give him the remote

[Jillee]

VPlanet. I think you should watch Lisa's whole testimony so that you can get a better understanding of what she meant. She was pretty clear during cross.

[Brillig]

LOL.... a real life judge on HLN just referenced the movie Chicago and said that what the defense in the Arias case was doing is trying to "razzle dazzle 'em" (in other words, just throwing out any dang thing to try and distract the jury). Interestingly, a couple posters, including me, said exactly that hundreds of pages ago on the original thread.

[*crickets*]

LOL.... a real life judge on HLN just referenced the movie Chicago and said that what the defense in the Arias case was doing is trying to "razzle dazzle 'em" (in other words, just throwing out any dang thing to try and distract the jury). Interestingly, a couple posters, including me, said exactly that hundreds of pages ago on the original thread.

That's not the first time this sort of thing has happened. I'm convinced HLN has someone reading this thread.

[Ian 1]

VPlanet. I think you should watch Lisa's whole testimony so that you can get a better understanding of what she meant. She was pretty clear during cross.

I won't reply to VP and hope to not receive a response from him/her. You are right to question the assertion. Lisa (Andrews) wrapped up her testimony by emphatically stating that her impression of Travis's overtly sexual advances was based more on her inexperience than on his actions.

[Peace Corpse]

As far as how Travis was sexually, the only ex-GF (other than Jodi) to testify has been Lisa Andrews. If you look at her testimony, she said that she felt Travis was too aggressive during their makeout sessions, that there was too much making out in the relationship, that he wanted her just for her body, had sex on his mind from the beginning, made her feel used and dirty and grabbed her butt in public which she was very offended by...it's all there in her testimony.

On cross exam Martinez got her to admit that she was fresh out of high school and a virgin at the time, so her idea of 'aggressive' making out, etc. was from a very naive viewpoint. But the most important point was that when Lisa confronted Travis about these things and ASKED HIM TO STOP, HE STOPPED. He NEVER forced anything on her. Contrast that with Jodi, who said YES to EVERYTHING, from the very start...not only yes to sex but yes to every possible kinky fantasy his little Mormon mind could imagine, plus adding a few of her own.

So he might have been a 'player' but it was a Mormon version of a player. Kinda like a high school kid in the 1950s, seeing how far he could get during makeout sessions but never getting past 1st or 2nd base (if you believe as many here do that he was still a virgin when he met Jodi.) He must have felt like a kid set loose in a candy store at first, but eventually too much 'candy' made him sick...and we all know how that ended.

RE: Mormon version of a player: Would a mormon version of a player send overtly sexual emails, grab a woman's butt in public, aggressively try and make-out with a woman he was newly dating? By new, I mean less than a year. How long did he date Lisa? If a man who I just started dating or dated for a few months did all of the above, I would find that completely inappropriate. RE: Naive viewpoint: I disagree. If she thought it was "overly-aggressive" then, it was. She is entitled to her feelings. They are valid.

[poppym]

Here's an interesting point of view on the "stolen" dvd player and why she went back to OG's house to give him the remote

WOW! Hope the Jury picked up on this because I didn't piece this together at the time of testimony! Good find!

[Peace Corpse]

VPlanet. I think you should watch Lisa's whole testimony so that you can get a better understanding of what she meant. She was pretty clear during cross.

She makes it clear that Travis made her feel uncomfortable and that is all that matters, no? It doesn't matter if she was sexually inexperienced or not. The fact is...Travis overstepped a boundary. He must have known she was virgin. Who would act that way with a virgin who is also part of the Mormon faith. Where was his sensitivity?

Remember, Mimi also rejected him as well....

This overtly sexual behavior doesn't make Travis a bad person, it just makes it clear he didn't have certain boundaries with women that he was smart enough to have.

[bowieluva]

You guys, please either use the REPLY WITH QUOTE button or, if you can't use that from your phone, use the html quote and /quote in brackets around the post you are quoting. Just makes everything easier to read.

[queenaevadamthng]

Did Deanna Reid/Reed not have any relevant info for defense or prosecution? She was with TA for 6 years. Could she possibly be called as a rebuttal witness?

[poppym]

And the blonde girl ( Travis dated) who took the stand also said she felt uncomfortable with Travis's overly sexual emails so soon into the relationship? Right?

VPlanet. I think you should watch Lisa's whole testimony so that you can get a better understanding of what she meant. She was pretty clear during cross.

....and just FYI on the facts. There no 'overly sexual emails' from Travis to Lisa. The email (singular) discussed during Lisa's testimony was from Lisa to Travis.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

JILLEE Wrote: VPlanet. I think you should watch Lisa's whole testimony so that you can get a better understanding of what she meant. She was pretty clear during cross.

She makes it clear that Travis made her feel uncomfortable and that is all that matters, no? It doesn't matter if she was sexually inexperienced or not. The fact is...Travis overstepped a boundary. He must have known she was virgin. Who would act that way with a virgin who is also part of the Mormon faith. Where was his sensitivity?

Lisa testified that when she asked TA to STOP he STOPPED . Stabby actually testified to the same thing, anytime she has him to STOP during their sexual encounters he STOPPED.

[Jillee]

She makes it clear that Travis made her feel uncomfortable and that is all that matters, no? It doesn't matter if she was sexually inexperienced or not. The fact is...Travis overstepped a boundary. He must have known she was virgin. Who would act that way with a virgin who is also part of the Mormon faith. Where was his sensitivity?

Seems to me that Lisa admitted to being a bit of the aggressor in their make-out sessions. I think she was uncomfortable because he got a hard-on while they were making out and she took saw that as a problem that he should have been able to control. I'll watch it again (my third time) and see if I get anything else out of it.

[Peace Corpse]

Lisa testified that when she asked TA to STOP he STOPPED . Stabby actually testified to the same thing, anytime she has him to STOP during their sexual encounters he STOPPED.

Doesn't matter. She still had to tell him to stop actions related to sex that were making her feel uncomfortable. He was a smart man....why would he come on so strong to a Virgin?

[Peace Corpse]

Seems to me that Lisa admitted to being a bit of the aggressor in their make-out sessions. I think she was uncomfortable because he got a hard-on while they were making out and she took saw that as a problem that he should have been able to control. I'll watch it again (my third time) and see if I get anything else out of it.

I will watch again as well. I saw it when it happened. Thanks! :)

[Ian 1]

Seems to me that Lisa admitted to being a bit of the aggressor in their make-out sessions. I think she was uncomfortable because he got a hard-on while they were making out and she took saw that as a problem that he should have been able to control. I'll watch it again (my third time) and see if I get anything else out of it.

She addressed the 'hard-on' issue directly in response to a question from Martinez. At this stage, as a witness for the defense and a woman who had borne a child since she separated from Travis Alexander, Lisa recognized that the 'boner' was a normal biological response from a healthy male in specific circumstances. It was not a marker of Travis's character. God would agree. Even as Mormons comprehend him.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Doesn't matter. She still had to tell him to stop actions related to sex that were making her feel uncomfortable. He was a smart man....why would he come on so strong to a Virgin.

If someone doesn't say they are uncomfortable how are they supposed to tell? Mind reading? She said she told him and he STOPPED

Defense was busy today

3/31/2013 OBJ - Objection/Opposition. - Party (001) 4/1/2013
NOTE: DEDEFENDANT’S OBJECTION TO ELICITING TESTIMONY OR MAKING ARGUMENT RELATED TO AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCES FOR WHICH PROBABLE CAUSE HAS NOT BEEN FOUND

Wonder if they're worried about what Alyce might say on cross since they opened the door to the stalking issue?

[Angiebla]

Did Deanna Reid/Reed not have any relevant info for defense or prosecution? She was with TA for 6 years. Could she possibly be called as a rebuttal witness?

I think you may be right because I haven't seen or heard anything from her since the trial started except her saying she has Napoleon now. They dated for 6 years, he proposed to her, left her his beloved dog in his will-they were still close after the break up too. I was just thinking to myself the other day where has Deanna been hiding?

[poppym]

Defense was busy today

3/31/2013 OBJ - Objection/Opposition. - Party (001) 4/1/2013
NOTE: DEDEFENDANT’S OBJECTION TO ELICITING TESTIMONY OR MAKING ARGUMENT RELATED TO AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCES FOR WHICH PROBABLE CAUSE HAS NOT BEEN FOUND

Wonder if they're worried about what Alyce might say on cross since they opened the door to the stalking issue?

Sneakers what does mean in English (lay terms)?

[Ian 1]

If someone doesn't say they are uncomfortable how are they supposed to tell? Mind reading? She said she told him and he STOPPED

Defense was busy today

3/31/2013 OBJ - Objection/Opposition. - Party (001) 4/1/2013
NOTE: DEDEFENDANT’S OBJECTION TO ELICITING TESTIMONY OR MAKING ARGUMENT RELATED TO AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCES FOR WHICH PROBABLE CAUSE HAS NOT BEEN FOUND

Wonder if they're worried about what Alyce might say on cross since they opened the door to the stalking issue?

Since 'Extreme Cruelty' is the only Aggravator that has already been determined and puts Jodi Arias in the hair-sights, is this motion trying to preclude a suggestion to the jury beyond that one or are they trying to shut even it down?

[hatchan]

I think you may be right because I haven't seen or heard anything from her since the trial started except her saying she has Napoleon now. They dated for 6 years, he proposed to her, left her his beloved dog in his will-they were still close after the break up too. I was just thinking to myself the other day where has Deanna been hiding?

could Juan be saving her for rebuttal????

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Sneakers what does mean in English (lay terms)?

The dense is objecting to any attempt by JM to elicit any testimony or admit any evidence relating to heinousness or depravity which were not allowed in the aggravating circumstances in seeking the death penalty, as ruled on by a previous Judge. They are worried about Alyce on cross.

[Peace Corpse]

If someone doesn't say they are uncomfortable how are they supposed to tell? Mind reading? She said she told him and he STOPPED

Defense was busy today

3/31/2013 OBJ - Objection/Opposition. - Party (001) 4/1/2013
NOTE: DEDEFENDANT’S OBJECTION TO ELICITING TESTIMONY OR MAKING ARGUMENT RELATED TO AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCES FOR WHICH PROBABLE CAUSE HAS NOT BEEN FOUND

Wonder if they're worried about what Alyce might say on cross since they opened the door to the stalking issue?

She did say she was uncomfortable. She was also a virgin. Virgin spells "approach with caution and gentleness" Hello? Travis wasn't an idiot.