Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[AgathaAppleswine]

Great points. I can get to premeditation. I can also see her motive. However, JM really hasn't focused on it as much as I had hoped he would. Although the DT entered the text of 5-26-08 to prove abuse, I think it instead helped me see her motive. Travis called her a sociopath and the worst thing that's ever happened to him. That's huge! Unfortunately, JM never went back to those texts. Nor have we heard or seen the supposed Facebook message he sent her. We really haven't even heard more about the stalking claims, or doggy door, nor any testimony from people who knew more about her obsessive behavior. I know it's out there. IMO, more needs to be done to show motive. Hopefully that's coming in rebuttal and closing arguments. Sometimes jurors need it all spelled out for them...that's where I'm coming from. Although we see it, I want them to see it too. The couple people on here who are questioning things make me really nervous.

I agree with you.....there are a few things I wished had been explored, further. The slashed tires......unfortunately, I don't think a police report was ever filed, and no one saw Jodi do it. That is probably why JM didn't go there. The angry messages, I think JM's failure to focus on those was merely part of his method to prosecuting her. Everyone knows that Travis was not a violent person....was not the manipulative abuser that Jodi is attempting to portray him as. There has got to be a reason why those messages were not introduced as evidence by either side. For JM, he wants to stay as far away from those as possible, because he doesn't want the jury to take these messages out of context and view them as support of what Jodi is claiming. Because it isn't true.

The 'stalking' of Travis is not allowed into evidence. It's too prejudicial, and there's no foundation (no proof, really) to prove that Jodi was indeed stalking Travis.

Motive is not necessary. It really isn't. In television, they need motive because it makes the case more interesting. In RL, motives are broad things.

Let's play devil's advocate and say that Travis did abuse Jodi in some way (or that she perceived him to be abusive, even if he wasn't). There is motivation on her part to kill him.

Travis called her a sociopath and threatened to let everyone know how horrible she was. There's motive.

Travis dumped her. There's motive.

Travis wanted to date other women. There's motive.

Travis was going to Cancun with someone else. There's motive.

Travis was alive and she wasn't going to be a part of his life for much longer. There's motive.

To nail it down to one thing is foolish and a waste of time. Throw a dart; one answer is as likely as the other. In reality, Travis's death is probably a combination of all these things, and more.

And I think if any of the jury have been paying attention, then it wouldn't be too hard for them to pick up the threads like I have. I think the actual problem is that society has been trained badly by television. They want everything explained in a neat little package along with physical evidence, and that's just not how it is in real life.

Like I've said, I don't know how you could look at the facts of the case and be unable to draw the proper conclusions. If people still doubt premeditation or feel that it hasn't been proven, then the only thing that will satisfy them is a confession of Arias, or a video of her going step-by-step in her plotting.

The evidence is all right there. It isn't that hard to put it together.

[gypsy1197]

Dr. Dumb has a doctorate...doctor of philosophy, therefore Ph.d. Not a medical doctor. Anyone can get a doctorate - you can buy them.

[loonywop]

yes I know it's a moot point but there is no gun at this time.There is a difference between burgulary and theft they (the pros) will have a tough time proving burgulary if it ever gets that far.

I don't believe that Martinez has to prove Jodi stole the gun from Travis. She said she did. That is proof enough, a confession. It would generally be a moot point as we know that the gun did not belong to Travis and that Jodi brought it with her, but she's trapped herself by copping to burglary in hopes of avoiding premeditation.

[Jillee]

"Jodi, what mental illness do you have- make you think you can talk your skinny ass out of this shit?! Okay, 'Specially, since we all know now that You write about everything! Now, if satan is the father of all rise, you are the mother of all rise. And you one crazy, home invading, backyard creeping, oh email spying, phone text spying, you are a tire slashing sociopath, crazy speaker from Hell. Ok? Alright, so...Don't want to get carried away right off the bat."
Gotta love social media.
http://youtu.be/LqbMtDj6CCQ

[ImBatman!]

Dr. Dumb has a doctorate...doctor of philosophy, therefore Ph.d. Not a medical doctor. Anyone can get a doctorate - you can buy them.

Wish I had known you could just by one! I could have saved some money!

[acertaingirl]

He is too young for death penalty

How young is "too young" to be evil?

[loonywop]

yes but she did not enter his domain with the intent to deprive him of his gun .She took it after the fact which is theft,still a felony .They are two different things.

If you go into a store with no plans of shoplifting but see something that catches your eye and you then decide to steal it, you won't get away with it by simply telling the judge "Your honor, it wasn't commercial burglary because I didn't plan on taking anything when I entered the store. It's simply theft after the fact!"

Juan Martinez made it a strong point that she clearly admitted taking this alleged gun, which was not hers, out of Travis Alexander's home.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

The defense does not have to prove anything, that is always on the State.

In AZ a self defense claim is an affirmative defense. The defense has to PROVE she killed TA in self defense, fear of her own life etc. So far I've have seen nothing that suggests they have proved that at all. They only have Stabby's word which isn't worth a plug nickel. She has more lies than Carter's has pills.

The little details are so important here, because of Jodi's claim of self-defense. He has to disprove her self-defense claim, or else that leaves 'reasonable doubt'.

Pre-meditation has been proven. I wrote it out for everyone to read. If they can't be convinced by that list, then they will never be convinced. Juan has gone over the premeditation numerous times, and I'm sure he will cover it once again in his rebuttal case.

On another note, do we think that JW was going over Jodi's story about self-defense again simply to remind jurors of the claim of self-defense?

And I know this is unpopular, but I still feel sorry for the doc. I know he's getting paid, and I know he isn't organized. I suspect that he only took this case because they literally had no one else. He seems to care -- perhaps a little too much -- and that has gotten him into steep trouble here. I think Jodi was good at putting on a show for him, and he was truly convinced of her 'illness'. He bought her a book because he was concerned. I don't think someone who is just in it for the money would actually do that.

Love your premeditation post. I don't feel one bit sorry for Tricky Dicky. He put himself in this position. If he was truly concerned about her "suicidal tendencies" he should have notified the medical staff at the jail. A failure to do so indicates an unethical behavior to me. As an "expert witness" he showed a remarkable lack of knowledge with regards to the tests he performed and the results of said tests. With regards to testimony on Dissociative Amnesia, according to what I've read science does not accept this “hippocampus theory” as being factually proven. This link provides a good breakdown of his testimony and why he's full of shit. http://kristinarandle.com/blog/category/jodi-arias/

I hate that woman lawyer. Such a snarky little bitch. I just want to dump a whole bottle of cheap merlot on her head and then pimp slap her.

Don't hold back Chauncey, tell us how you really feel!

We may not be attorneys, but we are all experts of a different kind. We are all qualified to be jurors in this case.

We might have been qualified to be jurors in this case until we started reading/watching/dissecting everything Remember that the jurors are (we hope) exposed to only what they see/hear in court. Their questions indicate they are involved and following the evidence as presented.

From the Juan Martinez - Prosecutor Page

My Observations after attending the Trial for two days: ~Admin 2 (Ann)~

Thanks for posting that.

YES Yes yes... and they were marked as exhibit 547 (after JM had no further ?'s & Willmott began recross) ... JM asked what Doc Dick was reading they be marked & Willmott did, and Doc Dick wrote on the C paper in his ring binder that was then taken out of the ring by Doc & marked as exht... how friggin fraudulent is that?
We still have to find the part where Sneakers saw Doc Dick put exhibit in his briefcase

I'll look for that this morning. Stabby apparently isn't the only one who needs to searched before leaving court.

i'm not going to read all that, but i'd like to say, you all have forgotten about the fine establishment she worked in called the purple plum, which may or may not be a strip club.

Nope, just a restaurant.

http://thepurpleplumyreka.com/

I may be looking at this too hypersensitively, but does it look to anyone else like the judge is flashing a note to the therapist at the beginning? If so, maybe she's just saying hi if she knows him, but it caught my attention...? She writes something, underlines it, keeps looking over to him, then she leans down & her head goes behind computer for a quick second. Probably nothing; just something I noticed...

No, she was retrieving a pad or some papers from under her desk or a drawer and simply smiled at Tricky Dick.

Why oh why do I torture myself with peeking at the JAII site? Those people are absolutely nutbags. I have to say away but it keeps pulling me back to read the bizarre rants. And now they are pissed off that JM took a photo on the court steps with Dr. Drew's juror, Katie. They said it is disrespectful and like a victory pose before the victory. No people, how about Katie admires Juan and maybe even has a teeny tiny crush on him and wants a photo. What the hell does it have to do with victory? They are just nutso. Now they have created at Meme from it. Ahhhh. I must shower away the dirty funk I feel from there.

Laters baby.

I can't look at that site. I'd blow a gasket. It's bad enough when folks bring stuff from that site and post it here. I suppose they are as passionate in their beliefs as we are but I swear - how do well meaning people believe her innocent? Were they dropped at birth or something? I'll never understand.

They have the kool-aid on an IV Drip over there.They can't all have been dropped at birth but they could be a therapy group from a mental hospital. I still think most of the "posters" there are sock puppets.

I appreciate your response, but it's not entirely true. In cases where a defendant asserts self defense, they must prove at trial that the self defense was justified. This is why JA took the stand to testify in her own defense. If she would have stuck with the two intruder story, there would be an absolute burden on the prosecution.

Yes.Yes.Yes. In AZ self defense is an AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE. Meaning the defense must PROVE she acted in self defense.

Thread moves at light speed when Im not home...today..meh.

It moves at light speed when court is in session! LOL Try back at around 1pm when court starts.

[I doubt it]

[bermstalker]

There are a couple of people who aren't convinced about premeditation. What would it take for you to get to that point?

You have motive: Obsession, jealousy and anger. The nasty text from Travis threatening Jodi. The convenient theft of the gun two days later. The gas cans. The secret visit to AZ. The hair color change. The lack of receipts in AZ. The lies piled on lies. The mysterious knife and it's most convenient placement in the bedroom by Jodi. Travis in a vulnerable position, and a killing that took less than two minutes.

I don't understand. If you can't get to pre-meditation from all that, what do you need?

I think Jodi planned the murder

I'm just saying, by the jury questions-there are one or two jury members that have some doubt.

Gas cans-maybe. The state has yet to prove for sure about a 3rd gas can.
Floormats- don't believe the state can prove Jodi threw them away unless them find them with the KY, backpack, knife, clothes, and gun.
The LE didn't even test the kool aid stains. There was nothing on the check in paper about there being missing floor mats or stains in the car. Just the word of the budget guy.
Jodi had sex/or sexual play with Travis that day. So we have to assume at some point-she was an invited guest in the house.
Gun-They can't prove she stole her grandpa's gun. There is no gun (unless they find it)
Hair color-They can't even say for sure one way or the other if she her hair was whatever color on June 4th. Who knows?
Licence plates-They can't prove Jodi flipped them around.

I'm not saying Jodi didn't plan her murder, b/c I believe she hated Travis, and I believe she planned the murder b/c she wanted him dead.

We "maybe" know way more information than the jury does. Of course most of us know or suspect she planned the murder. What may seem like a closed case to you, may feel much different to somebody that is sitting there with limited or controlled information.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

"Jodi, what mental illness do you have- make you think you can talk your shinny ass out of this shit?! Okay, 'Specially, since we all know now that You write about everything! Now, if satan is the father of all rise, you are the mother of all rise. And you one crazy, home invading, backyard creeping, oh email spying, phone text spying, you are a tire slashing sociopath, crazy speaker from Hell. Ok? Alright, so...Don't want to get carried away right off the bat."
Gotta love social media.
http://youtu.be/LqbMtDj6CCQ

Gotta say he nailed Nurmi pretty good LOL But that accent, omg!

Still he has nothing on Morbid_much whose "Never Ending Answer" was f*cking hilarious



As was her "Unseen Footage"

Me too! Yes, we are addicted...a lot of us will need therapy and/or a 12 step program when this is over.

"Hi, I'm *crickets* and I'm an addict."
MDSers: "Hi, *crickets..."

They say the first step towards recovery is admitting you have a problem...

Hi I'm Sneakers and I am an addict. I did discover though, through a surprise pop quiz, that I do have at least 10% of a life not dedicated to this hot mess

I just detoxed myself for two days and....Im back for more!!

Haha! Rehab is for quitters!

[alaina02]

stabby is so ugly!! i cant stand when i read "beautiful model killed ex boyfriend" BULLSHIT...never was a model....never was beautiful IMO

[loonywop]

Can you prove theft on something that doesn't exist? I know this is all smoke and mirrors so don't jump on me about bringing this up.Yes it makes sence in a convoluted way I'm just questioning if Martinez can make it stick .He needs to get the murder 1 charge to stick first I assume to then further get the burgulary charge to take effect.

Martinez explained the 'felony' as in killing while 'in commission of a felony' some time ago. The felony is burglary, i.e. 'being unlawfully in a dwelling (without the consent of the owner.) Martinez stated that, although Travis initially invited her into his house, logically that invitation would have been withdrawn immediately after Arias stabbed him the first time. Thereafter, she was in his dwelling 'without his consent' and therefore, from that time forward until she left, she was committing the 'felony' of burglary. Arias went on to kill Travis during that time, so it is concluded she committed a killing, (murder) while engaged in the commission of a 'felony' (burglary). That adds up to first degree murder. Nothing has to be 'taken' to qualify the offense as burglary. Just being in the house unlawfully is enough. Aggravating circumstances, (Extreme Cruelty) were then added after a separate court hearing on the subject of the 'Aggravators.' Hence, the Death Penalty qualification. Makes sense!

The reasoning may be complex, but the conclusions are logical. That's the beauty and purity of the law.

No?

[Booya]

This may be an old issue, however it's a good point. Has anyone ever broke a finger, or injured a finger, on the hand they write with? I got stitches on my ring finger on the hand I write with. You cannot write unless it looks like a 4 year old did it! How is the murderer able to write in her diary just days after Travis 'broke' the finger? Ugh.

[poppym]

Juan Martinez: "A Passionate and Well-Prepared Gentleman"

[I doubt it]

I think Jodi planned the murder

I'm just saying, by the jury questions-there are one or two jury members that have some doubt.

Gas cans-maybe. The state has yet to prove for sure about a 3rd gas can.
Floormats- don't believe the state can prove Jodi threw them away unless them find them with the KY, backpack, knife, clothes, and gun.
The LE didn't even test the kool aid stains. There was nothing on the check in paper about there being missing floor mats or stains in the car. Just the word of the budget guy.
Jodi had sex/or sexual play with Travis that day. So we have to assume at some point-she was an invited guest in the house.
Gun-They can't prove she stole her grandpa's gun. There is no gun (unless they find it)
Hair color-They can't even say for sure one way or the other if she her hair was whatever color on June 4th. Who knows?
Licence plates-They can't prove Jodi flipped them around.

I'm not saying Jodi didn't plan her murder, b/c I believe she hated Travis, and I believe she planned the murder b/c she wanted him dead.

We "maybe" know way more information than the jury does. Of course most of us know or suspect she planned the murder. What may seem like a closed case to you, may feel much different to somebody that is sitting there with limited or controlled information.

Premeditated doesn't mean planned, just that she thought of it before she killed him. There's no time specification for premed, it can be moments. By her story, she chose to run in the closet and get the gun rather than run out of the house. Then the rest, stabbing and slitting his throat, just because she doesn't remember, doesn't mean she wasn't trying to kill him.

[Booya]

Also, tying into what chelsey d mentioned about her first encounter w the murderer in jan 2008... Her finger was not broken in Jan 2008... I hope JM refutes this pedo 2008 stuff because he just seemed to glaze over it. There needs to be more to totally throw that idea out of the jurors' minds and show the murderer to again, Be A Liar.

[loonywop]

No what he said was " the hand that killed your son now masterbates to the thought of doing it" What a piece of shit.I'm not sure Ohio has the death penalty,if not I wish it did for him.

I'm having doubts about the verdict of a death sentence. The verdict for the boy who killed 3 schoolmates was 1st degree, lifer. When he went in for sentencing, he took off his shirt, revealing a tee shirt with the words killer on it. Then as he spoke to the family he flipped them and said fuck you!!!

[zeebee]

Dr. Dumb has a doctorate...doctor of philosophy, therefore Ph.d. Not a medical doctor. Anyone can get a doctorate - you can buy them.

Someone with a PhD is still a doctor, just not a MEDICAL doctor.

If you're saying it's easy to get a doctorate, you're crazy. If it were, everyone would have one.

I'm not defending Samuels, just saying. Getting a PhD is not a cake walk. I mean seriously, WTF

[loonywop]

or vitamins for her lack of nutriants in jail food.

If she is she would have to be under treatment for a mental condition. I thought she testified 1)she wasn't under treatment and 2)she didn't have a mental condition. Maybe she's just taking an Advil or Tylenol for her migraines.

[lorizfree]

Not sure if anyone has already posted this lovely little quote from the JAII site yet or not:


"Let?s see what underhanded tricks Martinez tries to pull this afternoon, the ignorant uneducated piece of shit that he is. No wonder the TravisTown pedo-huggers are so attracted to him, in every sense of the word.
Leave your comments below*on the*afternoon session*of day 33,*as Jodi takes one step closer to victory?
SJ
Team Jodi"

I'm not familiar with the history of that site, but I know there was a similar one for Casey. Who the hell is this person? Some Internet troll or someone who actually cares about these women for whatever creepy reason...

The person who created that website also created the Casey Anthony is innocent website. I don't know who the hell it is, but they're too frightened to come hang out on this website or any others that are heavily Travis friendly. They have there own super cool nifty difty little group. If anyone who supports Travis even .000000000000000%, they are promptly kicked off. They are so delusional, and in complete denial. It's pretty funny though, so I go over there to watch their bullshit once in a while.

[lorizfree]

Someone with a PhD is still a doctor, just not a MEDICAL doctor.

If you're saying it's easy to get a doctorate, you're crazy. If it were, everyone would have one.

I'm not defending Samuels, just saying. Getting a PhD is not a cake walk. I mean seriously, WTF

No doubt. My father had a doctorate, and in fact it was in Philosophy. Just getting an associates degree pretty much kicked my ass. You are absolutely right.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Sir do you have a problem with your memory. Stabby's eye roll



Tawnidilly is awesome!

[mariposa1369]

Would someone clue me in as to whether or not there will be court today? I have been very busy at work and have not been able to follow as closely as I would have liked. Thanks! :)

[I doubt it]

This may be an old issue, however it's a good point. Has anyone ever broke a finger, or injured a finger, on the hand they write with? I got stitches on my ring finger on the hand I write with. You cannot write unless it looks like a 4 year old did it! How is the murderer able to write in her diary just days after Travis 'broke' the finger? Ugh.

Jodi can write with both hands. I broke the ring finger on my left hand, and even though it was properly splinted, I couldn't even use my arm. Years later I broke the thumb on my right hand, and had to swipe my card and scribble my signature to pay for things. My handwriting never recovered. But, Magic Jodi, can write with both hands and it looks identical. I did notice in her journal entry of Jan. 24, that she said her writing was messed up because she was in a moving car. Looked the same to me.