Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[animosity]

what the hell is going on here? so what? all the crazies come out at night?

[loonywop]

What a cold heart to be so offensive!

naw just tired of bloodthursty people.Like they are the law ..........or should be....lets all just step back a bit and relish the fact that we are not lucky enough to have totally fuck our lives up as bad as these two people have. Did he deserve to die....no never RIP Travis.There are no winners here as much as you root for one.There's nothing good here

[gigiann]

I am new here. I have usually seen all newbies being welcomed. I am looking forward to participating.

[loonywop]

hey how is donavan doing?? she/he hasn't been in court, is she sick?

Donvin should be brought up on obstruction of justice charges and I told her so........and thus she banned me lol........silly rabbits

[Wishmich]

a relief to who? She gets to fall asleep and never wake up.Shit I've done that alot of friday nights .lol.Ever hear "A minds a terrible thing to waste"? well waste hers......

It won't be wasted. She'll get her degrees; she'll get her marriage proposals from freaks; she'll hold sensitivity sessions and be the damn star of the prison block.

[wasthinking]

naw just tired of bloodthursty people.Like they are the law ..........or should be....lets all just step back a bit and relish the fact that we are not lucky enough to have totally fuck our lives up as bad as these two people have. Did he deserve to die....no never RIP Travis.There are no winners here as much as you root for one.There's nothing good here

AZ law allows the DP, don't like it, go fight their politics instead of kicking at innocent families when they are down.
Do you beat dogs, kids and swing cats by their tails too with your anger.

[gigiann]

Testing quote function. Sorry

[Dizzle]

naw just tired of bloodthursty people.Like they are the law ..........or should be....lets all just step back a bit and relish the fact that we are not lucky enough to have totally fuck our lives up as bad as these two people have. Did he deserve to die....no never RIP Travis.There are no winners here as much as you root for one.There's nothing good here

Put down the pipe/bottle, get a good night's sleep, eat something and use spell check or just check-out...

[loonywop]

AZ law allows the DP, don't like it, go fight their politics instead of kicking at innocent families when they are down.
Do you beat dogs, kids and swing cats by their tails too with your anger.

naw I have a wonderful new great dane puppy.And yea I know you don't commit murder in Maricopa county........or anywhere else for that matter.I'm not here for politics nor to entertain you or innocent families so before you get all up in my grill fancy ....step back and screw your head back on.

[Morticia]

I'm still confused about this photo...mistakenly taken. What is that? A foot?
photo ja29_zps972487d2.jpg

[wasthinking]

If I missed anyone addressing me, sorry, I missed a lot today and too many pages to flood through.


Have a question if anyone can help. When did JA move to AZ? Has there ever been given more than her vague loop hole version or a date given?

TIA

[Morticia]

I didn't leave the right link for the photo I'm asking about.

http://s1352.beta.photobucket.com/us...l?sort=3&o=218

[Harlette]

I'm still confused about this photo...mistakenly taken. What is that? A foot?
photo ja29_zps972487d2.jpg

[wasthinking]

what the hell is going on here? so what? all the crazies come out at night?

Just stupid Jodi supporters, they've ran out of lies for themselves and roam to vent their frustrations since Juan's got her by the short hairs.
You can spot em like a flashing sign by their unusually miserable angry attitudes.

[Harlette]

If I missed anyone addressing me, sorry, I missed a lot today and too many pages to flood through.


Have a question if anyone can help. When did JA move to AZ? Has there ever been given more than her vague loop hole version or a date given?

TIA

i read in 1999 to live w/ his g-ma, then he went on a mission for 2 years during 19 and 20 - denver i think?

[Ron_NYC]

naw just tired of bloodthursty people.Like they are the law ..........or should be....lets all just step back a bit and relish the fact that we are not lucky enough to have totally fuck our lives up as bad as these two people have. Did he deserve to die....no never RIP Travis.There are no winners here as much as you root for one.There's nothing good here

Well fucking said. People have become so bloodthristy they become the monster they want to destroy.
This ain't Dexter.

It won't be wasted. She'll get her degrees; she'll get her marriage proposals from freaks; she'll hold sensitivity sessions and be the damn star of the prison block.

I resent that.

Just stupid Jodi supporters, they've ran out of lies for themselves and roam to vent their frustrations since Juan's got her by the short hairs.
You can spot em like a flashing sign by their unusually miserable angry attitudes.

[I doubt it]

i read in 1999 to live w/ his g-ma, then he went on a mission for 2 years during 19 and 20 - denver i think?

Silly wabbit, she was asking about Jodi!

It was like 2 mos. after her and Travis broke up

[wasthinking]

i read in 1999 to live w/ his g-ma, then he went on a mission for 2 years during 19 and 20 - denver i think?

thanks Harlette for replying!
hum, Grandma signed the memorial book that she lived in CA and said he came to her when he was 8 yrs old. He was born in 1977 so that would put him with g'ma 1985. Im guessing she remained in CA because she was there too when killer claims to have met her a few times.

Chris Hughes is CA too He said he took Travis under his wing 2001 PPL. That'd put us in CA at age 22. So I bet that was after his mission that you remember. Colorado, right! I forgot about that, thanks again.
Unfortunately, there is still the gap and why when AZ. Maybe we will get more if the Hughes testify .

[wasthinking]

Silly wabbit, she was asking about Jodi!

It was like 2 mos. after her and Travis broke up

Harlette isn't silly at all, I asked two sep questions. Harlette was addressing the one about Travis.

The one about JA that you address doesn't answer my question pertaining to her ... do we have a DATE not a vague about that killer gave.

[Harlette]

thanks Harlette for replying!
hum, Grandma signed the memorial book that she lived in CA and said he came to her when he was 8 yrs old. He was born in 1977 so that would put him with g'ma 1985. Im guessing she remained in CA because she was there too when killer claims to have met her a few times.

Chris Hughes is CA too He said he took Travis under his wing 2001 PPL. That'd put us in CA at age 22. So I bet that was after his mission that you remember. Colorado, right! I forgot about that, thanks again.
Unfortunately, there is still the gap and why when AZ. Maybe we will get more if the Hughes testify .

it says in wilki he moved to mesa because the church was stronger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing...avis_Alexander

[I doubt it]

Harlette isn't silly at all, I asked two sep questions. Harlette was addressing the one about Travis.

The one about JA that you address doesn't answer my question pertaining to her ... do we have a DATE not a vague about that killer gave.

I didn't see the other question. Sorry Harlette.

I heard Thurs. JA went back to Matt in Big Sur for awhile, after she moved out of the house in Palm Desert, before she went to AZ. It was her testimony. She also claimed Travis paid for her to move. She moved in with Rachel.
Is Rachel a witness?

[mydeathspace]

HOW LOVELY!!! Chauncy sent me a smite.....telling me she hopes I die before this verdict is read! Needless to say, I blocked the freak.

She is certainly naughty!

Travis messed with Jodi's head big time, and payed a very steep price. After all of the traveling and special times that they shared, Travis ultimately came to view Jodi as nothing more than a sexual object. On a subconscious level, a rage started developing with Jodi as she realized how unimportant she was to him and that her only avenue to getting his attention was sexuality. Jodi, on the inside, is a very sweet girl with a vibrant creativity and love of life; however, she was not self-aware enough to see the warning signs of the rage being suppressed - and certainly lacked the foresight as to it's ultimate consequence. Travis was a smooth-talking salesman and speaker, likeable, and an aspiring "playa" with the ladies. He viewed Jodi as a conquest even after he knew that she was in love with him, and was willing to throw in her face the fact that he was enjoying pursuing and dating other girls (myspace comments, cancun, etc..).

Ok - blah, blah, blah - has the prosecution proved beyond a reasonable doubt that she planned to murder him? I think not. Yes there is considerable circumstantial evidence of premeditation, enough to give a juror the idea that there is maybe a 75-80% chance that she planned it, but without showing that she stole the gun and brought it with her - or without some other expression of intent by Jodi prior to June 4, I just don't see convicting her on Murder-1. I think that the prosecution should have taken the deal for Murder-2 and called it a day. I'm sure that the State spent many research hours sifting through texts, emails, phone calls, etc - to find evidence of Jodi having planned the crime - and all they can come up with is a circumstantial argument. Little shaky.

As for my personal bias (if not already clear from the first paragraph), I am - as my name suggests - under her spell. I could see myself falling in love with a girl like Jodi...and in fact she does remind me of my ex girlfriend/fiance. She seemed to make very poor choices with men, and I think she could have done much better than Travis - not to stomp on the man's grave. He certainly did not in any sense deserve what he go, and I don't think that she should walk free. But reading Travis's philosophizing and Jodi's, it is clear to me that Jodi was more intelligent and eloquent. I do not see her in any way as an "empty soul," as described somewhere in this thread - and I don't think that she was below Travis in any sense, except for financially. I think that inside, Jodi does feel deep remorse and sadness - and it is very unfortunate that she is not expressing this more on the witness stand. The final follow-up from her Nurmi was to re-ask her "why should we believe you now," which was a perfect opportunity for Jodi to break down and show some more humanity - but she didn't. I don't believe that Jodi is enjoying this experience or having fun (as some body language expert concluded); I think that she hates what she did, but understands that she can't take it back.

On June 4, 2008 she brutally murdered him, and I'm not really buying self-defense, but I also don't think it was premeditated. I think that Travis's ignorance and arrogance continued to push Jodi's subconscious "buttons" until she snapped. I think it's entirely possible that she did black out during some of her rage, and I wonder why we aren't hearing testimony from memory experts on this topic. For me, I remember certain details that seem irrelevant but sometimes can't remember very basic things - it is strange how the mind works, and not well understood by most of us. I think that her decision to cover-up the crime and lie as much as possible was made when she realized how brutally she had carried out the murder. She probably looked hard for that camera and can't believe that she forgot to check the washing machine with the sheets. Her actions were not ones of a methodical diabolical killer - she was consumed with panic. She was shocked at what she had just done, and understandably felt that she couldn't own up to it. This makes all the difference between Guilty and Not Guilty of Murder-1. She was too smart to execute it so poorly had it been planned as the Prosecution claims.

The whole thing is really sad for me, because I see Jodi as a beautiful spirit on the inside, for which things just went horribly wrong. It is disturbing to watch her on the stand, and realize that her life is also wasted. Some interesting commentary in this thread about how killing him may have tied her to Travis forever in her mind, and that is a fascinating possible angle. Personally, I would love to see Jodi serve a long prison sentence but have the opportunity for parole with good behavior. If she served 25-30 years in prison, showed real remorse, and was generally a positive contributor during her prison time - I am ok with her seeing the light of day in the twilight of her life. This is not meant in anyway as disrespect to Travis's friends and family, and admittedly I cannot imagine what they are going through.

lol! Welcome?

BOMBSHELL!!!!! I heard, on the radio, that a partially burnt bottle of KY Jelly was found by some hikers!

Mmmm. Even hikers need lube.

I enhanced the picture. I can totally see it now

lol. This could have been better.

Okay I'm going to say something here and I'm sorry if it offends anyone, but it totally creeps me out that Travis shaved his pubic hair.

What decade are you from? Bush is gross.

Psst, I got something to show ya. ;)

I'm sure I'll be smited or flogged or whatever for saying this, and my apologies in advance to the many members who aren't this way...

I consistently see veteran MDS'rs encouraging lurkers to join and post, and as a former lurker and rare poster, I will say that it's no surprise why lurkers get a little gun shy around here. Most veterans seem awesome and it's cool to remind us lowlifes the rules of the road here (I.e stay on topic, don't serial post, etc.) but some of you all act like you can't stand us newbies who have found MDS. I personally love this site, but it gets just as old seeing posts about how lame we noobs have let this thread get as it does for others to see lame and too frequent posts.

I used to wonder why there was a need to have a "sticky" thread at the top of the MDS forums that addressed being nice to noobs....now I know.

Some members are pricks. Report them if necessary and they will be warned/disposed of.

I am new here. I have usually seen all newbies being welcomed. I am looking forward to participating.

Welcome!

[wasthinking]

it says in wilki he moved to mesa because the church was stronger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing...avis_Alexander

nice, thanks again. I'm guessing for PPL stronger business maybe when it was time to fly out from under Chris' wings but thats my own speculation.

Reviewing a few things tonight, I still come back to the Rachel time frame. Nurmi put up that diary page, 8-26-07. The part he skipped having JA read, talks about her staying at Rachel's that night and she remarks how nice it was to be in a bed instead of 'the hard floors' she'd been sleeping on.
It also the exact same date Juan picked for a journal exhibit "I love Travis so completely don't know what other way to be"
And then another exact date entry about suicide and "I wish I were dead".

[Wishmich]

I asked this before, but nobody responded. I'll give it another shot. Were the forged pedo letters ever published in court documents or anywhere else? Do we have any idea what they said?

[Jillee]

If I missed anyone addressing me, sorry, I missed a lot today and too many pages to flood through.


Have a question if anyone can help. When did JA move to AZ? Has there ever been given more than her vague loop hole version or a date given?

TIA

Harlette isn't silly at all, I asked two sep questions. Harlette was addressing the one about Travis.

The one about JA that you address doesn't answer my question pertaining to her ... do we have a DATE not a vague about that killer gave.

I haven't been able to find an exact date when she moved to Mesa on any timeline. She testified end of July, early August, (but, her idea of "late" and "early" are a bit strange and kinda evasive... as per usual)

She also said two months after their breakup during direct.... ??