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Thread: Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

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    Travis messed with Jodi's head big time, and payed a very steep price. After all of the traveling and special times that they shared, Travis ultimately came to view Jodi as nothing more than a sexual object. On a subconscious level, a rage started developing with Jodi as she realized how unimportant she was to him and that her only avenue to getting his attention was sexuality. Jodi, on the inside, is a very sweet girl with a vibrant creativity and love of life; however, she was not self-aware enough to see the warning signs of the rage being suppressed - and certainly lacked the foresight as to it's ultimate consequence. Travis was a smooth-talking salesman and speaker, likeable, and an aspiring "playa" with the ladies. He viewed Jodi as a conquest even after he knew that she was in love with him, and was willing to throw in her face the fact that he was enjoying pursuing and dating other girls (myspace comments, cancun, etc..).

    Ok - blah, blah, blah - has the prosecution proved beyond a reasonable doubt that she planned to murder him? I think not. Yes there is considerable circumstantial evidence of premeditation, enough to give a juror the idea that there is maybe a 75-80% chance that she planned it, but without showing that she stole the gun and brought it with her - or without some other expression of intent by Jodi prior to June 4, I just don't see convicting her on Murder-1. I think that the prosecution should have taken the deal for Murder-2 and called it a day. I'm sure that the State spent many research hours sifting through texts, emails, phone calls, etc - to find evidence of Jodi having planned the crime - and all they can come up with is a circumstantial argument. Little shaky.

    As for my personal bias (if not already clear from the first paragraph), I am - as my name suggests - under her spell. I could see myself falling in love with a girl like Jodi...and in fact she does remind me of my ex girlfriend/fiance. She seemed to make very poor choices with men, and I think she could have done much better than Travis - not to stomp on the man's grave. He certainly did not in any sense deserve what he go, and I don't think that she should walk free. But reading Travis's philosophizing and Jodi's, it is clear to me that Jodi was more intelligent and eloquent. I do not see her in any way as an "empty soul," as described somewhere in this thread - and I don't think that she was below Travis in any sense, except for financially. I think that inside, Jodi does feel deep remorse and sadness - and it is very unfortunate that she is not expressing this more on the witness stand. The final follow-up from her Nurmi was to re-ask her "why should we believe you now," which was a perfect opportunity for Jodi to break down and show some more humanity - but she didn't. I don't believe that Jodi is enjoying this experience or having fun (as some body language expert concluded); I think that she hates what she did, but understands that she can't take it back.

    On June 4, 2008 she brutally murdered him, and I'm not really buying self-defense, but I also don't think it was premeditated. I think that Travis's ignorance and arrogance continued to push Jodi's subconscious "buttons" until she snapped. I think it's entirely possible that she did black out during some of her rage, and I wonder why we aren't hearing testimony from memory experts on this topic. For me, I remember certain details that seem irrelevant but sometimes can't remember very basic things - it is strange how the mind works, and not well understood by most of us. I think that her decision to cover-up the crime and lie as much as possible was made when she realized how brutally she had carried out the murder. She probably looked hard for that camera and can't believe that she forgot to check the washing machine with the sheets. Her actions were not ones of a methodical diabolical killer - she was consumed with panic. She was shocked at what she had just done, and understandably felt that she couldn't own up to it. This makes all the difference between Guilty and Not Guilty of Murder-1. She was too smart to execute it so poorly had it been planned as the Prosecution claims.

    The whole thing is really sad for me, because I see Jodi as a beautiful spirit on the inside, for which things just went horribly wrong. It is disturbing to watch her on the stand, and realize that her life is also wasted. Some interesting commentary in this thread about how killing him may have tied her to Travis forever in her mind, and that is a fascinating possible angle. Personally, I would love to see Jodi serve a long prison sentence but have the opportunity for parole with good behavior. If she served 25-30 years in prison, showed real remorse, and was generally a positive contributor during her prison time - I am ok with her seeing the light of day in the twilight of her life. This is not meant in anyway as disrespect to Travis's friends and family, and admittedly I cannot imagine what they are going through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by denn View Post
    Jody Arias Life in Prison:

    She will get a fan base;
    She will do interviews;
    She will have TV, computers, food, exercise, sex with her other lesbo inmates;
    She will be allowed visors;
    She will write a book;
    She will get her PHD! (lol);
    She will get to do her nails, her hair, wash, wear makeup;
    She will laugh ( at the jurors if they give her less than death);
    She will get to have telephone conversations;
    She will use a library;
    She will get to sleep;
    She will use tax payer's money to fund appeals.

    I HOPE that Travis' sibling sue her after this over - to prevent the writings of a book. She probably is already working on it in her mind.
    Not if she's on Death Row .

    All male and female inmates on Death Row are classified as maximum custody. All inmates are single cells which are equipped with a toilet, sink, bed and mattress. Each Death Row inmate has no contact with any other inmate. Out-of-cell time is limited to outdoor exercise in a secured area, two hours a day, three times a week, and a shower, three times a week. All meals are delivered by correction officers at the cell front. Limited non-contact visitation is available. Death Row inmates may place two ten minute telephone calls per week. Personal property is limited to hygiene items, two appliances, two books and writing materials, which can be purchased from the inmate commissary. Health care is provided at the Health Unit; medication is passed out at the cell front. Clergy contacts are provided at the cell.

    http://www.azcorrections.gov/dr_faq.aspx
    http://mydeathspace.com/vb/signaturepics/sigpic83661_1.gif

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian 1 View Post
    That's kind of a stretch. Jodi had none of these things at the time she met Travis. She was a destitute former 'Real Estate Investor' (foreclosure on the Palm Desert house was imminent) and her life with Darryl was pretty much finished. Darryl was preparing to follow his ex-wife and his son back to the Monterey Peninsula Area. That was more important to him than Jodi.

    From her perspective, Jodi was saying to Travis, " I would do it do it for you, that's why you should do it for me. That's a typical self-serving rationalization an obsessed suitor comes up with to justify invading the life of the object of their obsession. In fact, Jodi Arias had nothing to give or to give up. (Except the pretty well-used, you-know-what). Jodi was never able to nor prepared to give or give up anything unless there was some immediate repayment in kind. She was a 100%+ taker. The most we ever heard of her 'giving' was the bag of groceries she anonymously dropped off on the front porch of Bobby Juarez house in Yreka to spare him from going hungry after clearing out-- and we can't even be sure if that 'magnanimous' gesture is true. Sounds more like what an obsessed 'stalker' would do rather than a concerned friend.

    Not a mountain to die on, but it Crystal does take some liberty with the facts on the ground.

    Darryl testified that after she joined the PPL team, she changed..she gave up on paying her share of the mortgages. She was very into that relationship until she went to PPL. She as working two jobs to make ends meet for them. He testified that they started to go their separate ways after PPL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DenverClipper View Post
    Actually his bedroom was neat - just like that immaculate closet. His flip flops were in the middle of the floor and other than evidence of washing the bed linens, it does not look like someone tore the place apart looking for something lost.
    You're right - I think I was recalling one of the police reports or roommate reports stating something to the effect that the bed was stripped and pillows thrown to the side.

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    Travis made somewhere between a $100,000 to $150,000 a year. I read it somewhere in another post. Arias was looking to latch on to him. He was wealthy in comparison to where she was in life - a tiny shack, no great furniture, no large rooms. She wanted him and the life he had. The trips, the house, the cars, the money.

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    [QUOTE=Ian 1;3350211]
    Quote Originally Posted by VioletPlanet View Post
    I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about IT--"The Law of Attraction." I don't take personal jabs at other posters on the thread. Others responded positively. Lighten up!
    Ian1 - you are coming across as a know it all! We are only attempting amongst us all on this thread, to make observations and discuss the case. I have learned so much from many of these posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dianalyn View Post
    Could it be Nice and Easy with the U standing for a color code?
    I've used Nice n Easy for many years, and most of the time I buy it from Walmart. The receipt always says Clairol. That's just my personal experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by oh right View Post
    I noticed there were some comments over the weekend about Jodi's Walmart receipt. So I am quoting my original posts showing how I came up with the idea she bought sunscreen. The brand company has nothing to do with how the chain's data clerk abbreviates the item name into the stores' computer system. The store clerk's don't go by the name of the product, they stock and order by numbers. I'm pretty sure she bought a kerosene can, 2 pks of the same facial cleanser and 2 pks of the same bonus suncreen.

    I think she got her hair done and a Brazilian when she got her nails done. Hopefully, Mr. Martinez found a money trail.
    I totally agree, and I really think it's sunscreen. I know it seems weird that she'd buy two bottles of sunscreen (and face cleanser) on her way to a murder, but we're talking about Jodi here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilangiepangie View Post
    I see it too. Am I cray cray, too? I definitely see her image. Too bad we can't see what she has in her hands...besides the camera
    I am so glad someone else can see it!! It is amazing what technology can do with images.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loonywop View Post
    that and who has a second favorite color?
    I do! Purple is my first and red is my second favorite color
    Quote Originally Posted by morbidT View Post
    Yeah, I've seen the pics. It's definitely a drain. I'm not hunting it down, either. Ain't nobody got time for dat.
    Thank you. It's. A. Drain.
    Quote Originally Posted by DenverClipper View Post
    Morning everybody

    O/T
    Time changed last night everywhere in US except Arizona. They do not recognize daylight savings time there. So get ready for trial time to be even more confusing when it resumes on Wednesday.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jillee View Post
    It is now 8:54am Arizona time. Arizona time is now the same as California time PST.
    Thanks for the reminder! Ugh the trial now starts an hour later than it did previously since I'm in CST.
    Quote Originally Posted by lorizfree View Post
    Exactly..no one in their right mind would accidentally shoot someone they love, without any concern for the person they would shoot. Much less continue to stab them 29 times and slit their throat. Her story doesn't jive at all.
    Agreed. I think the jury has really picked up on it too!
    Quote Originally Posted by dizzyp View Post
    of for gosh sakes. it's a drain
    Lol yep!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnieBelle View Post
    I'm just not seeing this at all. Sorry.
    If you look at the images for a while, you can see her kneeling, her hair is up..her body is black..I did not see it at first. The last blow up of the retina shows her hair tied on either side of her head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnieBelle View Post
    I'm just not seeing this at all. Sorry.

    I am sorry too Anniebelle! But where they have her head and face - it is above that. Look from the top down. See the white and then the two dark spots..her face w braids tied in a bun..sort of like a Swedish hairstyle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metis212 View Post
    I completely missed that he was shaved, not her. Yes, I understood she got the Brazilian wax "for Travis". Ok, I must have missed that part. I still believe the fresh wax on her is part of the premeditation cause it was part and parcel of the plan to visit travis. (Sorry to keep harping on that item)
    You can see he is shaved in the photo of him lying dead. :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by geevee View Post
    You know, after looking at the very last pic (of her dragging him in the sheet) I realized what's wrong (and I'm sure others having noted it), the walls and floor are so pixelated you can't tell what the surface is. I recall Flores showing a pic to JA and telling her that was just a small portion of the whole pic they recovered, I'm having fantasies of JM whipping out the complete pic and just watching her face hit the floor.
    I really don't believe they can hold photos back from the defense. It is all evidence. She KNOWS what is there..she has known since 2008.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinkasaurus View Post
    Well, that is still pretty good - you only really need to be worried if its lower than 20, I think!

    What emotion do you see in Travis' eyes in that last photo of his face?
    He really looked to aggravated to me. I don't see fear there. I see him probably wondering why the hell she came back. If he were in fear, I think his mouth would drop open and his eye would open wide. That, to me, would be a fear expression. Sorry..I know everyone thinks he looks afraid..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doll-Face View Post
    Metis, Travis was shaved because he didn't like body hair. I believe Jodi testified he didn't like hair on her either, hence the Brazilian.
    No one can believe a word that is out of the mouth of that liar. She SAID that, yes. But I think in their experimentation, she talked him into shaving. Not liking body hair implies he liked young boys or kids. I think that is where she was going with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TupeloHoney View Post
    I've used Nice n Easy for many years, and most of the time I buy it from Walmart. The receipt always says Clairol. That's just my personal experience.



    I totally agree, and I really think it's sunscreen. I know it seems weird that she'd buy two bottles of sunscreen (and face cleanser) on her way to a murder, but we're talking about Jodi here
    I live about 20 minutes from the Salinas Walmart...I'm tempted to take a "Jodi shopping list", pay cash, and see what the receipt looks like... and of course return the gas can and see what the process is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasthinking View Post
    I believe so far she's tried to make it 3 phones.

    One lost from gramps truck
    One she doused in hot chocolate she ruined and therefore got
    the helio from Gus.
    This is the photo in which I believe he heard something..HER..she snuck back in after he thought she had left. I think she was lurking taking photos without a flash..quite as a church mouse on Sunday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dizzyp View Post
    I don't buy her testimony that they were "reviewing and deleting" photos as they went during the "shower session" Who does that? You take more photos than you need... review them after uploading to I-Photo (for example) and do your editing, cropping, and deleting with the software on a good monitor.
    Of course I'm trying to use logic to analyze a fabricated story, never the train shall meet.
    Agreed, and when she was being questioned on the stand (I believe it was after the juror questions were done, or shortly before they were done) she was talking about taking the shower pics and said 'You mean when I was down and deleting the ...' Objection from both sides and when questioning resumes Nurmi acts like she never mentioned deleting any pics at that point, which she had not mentioned before (later she threw in the deleting after we reviewed stuff).

    I think she was deleting all of them after the face shot and before the accidental sitting shot (which was probably snapped as she plunged the knife into the left side of his neck or his head if he saw it coming and ducked, in that pic you can clearly see that both arms are still on his knees (look at the back of the shower stall at his waist, the darkness is his left arm as the tile is white), you can also see she hasn't stabbed his heart yet as the skin is still intact, and I believe I see blood flying by the corner of the shower door so one wound was inflicted higher up on him than the chest at first.

    I'd like to get a shot of the wall where the shower door covers it when it's opened, as the door is mostly closed in the ceiling shot and I think she's attacking him at that wall, I can see blood higher up on it but haven't seen that wall before clean up of the scene to see how much is on that wall. Wonder if they tested the painted walls high up in the shower, blood must have splattered up there off the knife if she was first attacking him inside the stall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by denn View Post
    You can see he is shaved in the photo of him lying dead. :(
    The autopsy report also says he was shaved

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasthinking View Post

    Yes, he did have his knees up. But think of how to get to a standing position in a tiny shower. He either had to move to his knees and get up, or he crawled out of the shower. Maybe that is where she got him. As he was starting to stand. Attack the back, he feels pain. He tries to fight her off and she goes for the chest. So many theories. BUT, I do believe she shot him last. I think she convinced him to pose. To me, he looks very perturbed in that last photo. HOW could she hold a gun on him and take a photo? I still think she surprised him after he was getting out of the shower.
    You are one of the few people who agree with me about the fact he looks perturbed in that face shot. He told her in his office, when she said she wanted to take pics of him in the shower, that he did not want her to. So, she came in with his camera. Probably screwed around with it to figure out how to work it, and started the shots. She knew it would make him upset. She had a knife on her. No gun..cause he does not show fear to me in that pic. My thoughts..anyone else agree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by denn View Post
    I am so glad someone else can see it!! It is amazing what technology can do with images.
    I can see the image of someone kneeling, but can't see the hair braids yet. It's an awesome find. I would, however, not bet she was wearing black (since we know otherwise), just a dark color...hence the appearance of black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasthinking View Post
    Sorry denn, no offense intended, but I don't go for junk science or salaciousness with no value to it. All they are playing with anyway is 5th generation copies. If it had any forensic value, you'd see it used by law enforcement, you don't. Courts would never allow such nonsense.

    Yeah, you are probably right. No offense at all!! I just want the bitch to tell us how she really did it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dizzyp View Post
    I live about 20 minutes from the Salinas Walmart...I'm tempted to take a "Jodi shopping list", pay cash, and see what the receipt looks like... and of course return the gas can and see what the process is...
    LOL..ask if they take items back WITHOUT a receipt. Most places you return items, they want the receipt because so many people try to return things that were not bought at a store, or years before..AND, if they do take something back w receipt..they mark through the returned item.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geevee View Post
    Agreed, and when she was being questioned on the stand (I believe it was after the juror questions were done, or shortly before they were done) she was talking about taking the shower pics and said 'You mean when I was down and deleting the ...' Objection from both sides and when questioning resumes Nurmi acts like she never mentioned deleting any pics at that point, which she had not mentioned before (later she threw in the deleting after we reviewed stuff).

    I think she was deleting all of them after the face shot and before the accidental sitting shot (which was probably snapped as she plunged the knife into the left side of his neck or his head if he saw it coming and ducked, in that pic you can clearly see that both arms are still on his knees (look at the back of the shower stall at his waist, the darkness is his left arm as the tile is white), you can also see she hasn't stabbed his heart yet as the skin is still intact, and I believe I see blood flying by the corner of the shower door so one wound was inflicted higher up on him than the chest at first.

    I'd like to get a shot of the wall where the shower door covers it when it's opened, as the door is mostly closed in the ceiling shot and I think she's attacking him at that wall, I can see blood higher up on it but haven't seen that wall before clean up of the scene to see how much is on that wall. Wonder if they tested the painted walls high up in the shower, blood must have splattered up there off the knife if she was first attacking him inside the stall.
    Would you be so kind as to link to the pics you've talking about? I'd love to try to see what you've looking at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doll-Face View Post
    Okay, thanks. So it's just a probable glare from the copy of the original. Darn. Oh, and when I say "blinds", I don't really know what those white bars are on the pic, just that they look like blinds. They could be something else. Hope it wasn't confusing to anyone.

    Flores wrote in his original call to the house, there was blood on the blinds. It went that far up..high. His report is fascinating. Gave details that I was confused about. He said when he walked into the house it was immediate that the odor in the house was one of a body in deep decomposition. The smell had to be horrid. In fact, Travs' feet and genitals started to mummify. A process when we die.

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