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    Quote Originally Posted by dizzyp View Post
    a lot of gas stations only have the "pay window" open after hours... no traffic into the retail area to avoid robberies. The little drawer opens up and you put your money or credit card in... the employee is protected by safety glass.
    That is a very good point, considering how early it was that morning. She was getting gas at like 5 am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilangiepangie View Post
    That is chilling. She definitely came in with a plan. Too bad the camera is coming back to haunt her. I just hope Martinez has something else HUGE up his sleeve!
    I'm anxious for Wed. Too much left hanging as inferred but not connected well for this jury at this point IMO. But, the young blonde gal that attends the trial and goes on as Dr Drew's juror, indicated something more is coming Wed. Now what or how she'd know or if she is just hoping / guessing I don't know. We know JM isn't done so common sense says there is more to come. JM usually tosses out his evidence at the start of his point he means to make so we'll see what is left since he ran out of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oh right View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by denn View Post
    I disagree. There are so many droplets in the face pic..they are off the glass. The one sitting; no water, and he is on the floor. I still cannot determine if he is standing or sitting with the face pic. And, I cannot understand why there is not a full shot. She took a pic of his face, then cut off the head with the sitting pic??
    The forensic camera specialist was the one who testified, I believe, that the close up shot of Travis appeared to be of him in a sitting position...based on the angles and view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oh right View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by wasthinking View Post
    I'm anxious for Wed. Too much left hanging as inferred but not connected well for this jury at this point IMO. But, the young blonde gal that attends the trial and goes on as Dr Drew's juror, indicated something more is coming Wed. Now what or how she'd know or if she is just hoping / guessing I don't know. We know JM isn't done so common sense says there is more to come. JM usually tosses out his evidence at the start of his point he means to make so we'll see what is left since he ran out of time.
    He had a fire in his eyes. I could see and feel his passion at home. I guarantee there is more to come!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnehundredCats View Post
    Has she ever been questioned as to how she was able to get in and out of Arizona without stopping for gas? Has she ever claimed to have stopped for gas while in Arizona? I'm sure she wouldn't be able to recall after murdering Travis bc of her "scrambled fog."

    Yes, she was questioned. She testified that she was afraid to run out of gas in the desert, which is why she borrowed the cans.

    HA! We know this is a lie. But, Martinez needs more than gas cans to prove premeditation, because this could seem plausible to some jurors - she was traveling at night. What adds to the complete picture is many other factors that could tie into premeditation. The turning off of the cell, the changing of the hair, the gas cans. She also lied about how far she was going when she rented the car. So - all of it is circumstantial with respect to premeditation. They obviously cannot prove whose gun it was, even though we all know. It cannot be assumed by the jurors. Anything that happened thereafter, would not be considered premeditated.

    If Martinez can tie them all together and get the jurors to believe him, that is the key. I do believe he thought he had it in the bag with just these things and wished he had really hammered her more on her lies. He was jumping all over the place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mydeathspace View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnieBelle View Post
    The forensic camera specialist was the one who testified, I believe, that the close up shot of Travis appeared to be of him in a sitting position...based on the angles and view.
    I missed that testimony. I will have to look for it and read it. Did the expert say the door was open or closed? Sure would put my questions about that to rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oh right View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by wasthinking View Post

    Yes, he did have his knees up. But think of how to get to a standing position in a tiny shower. He either had to move to his knees and get up, or he crawled out of the shower. Maybe that is where she got him. As he was starting to stand. Attack the back, he feels pain. He tries to fight her off and she goes for the chest. So many theories. BUT, I do believe she shot him last. I think she convinced him to pose. To me, he looks very perturbed in that last photo. HOW could she hold a gun on him and take a photo? I still think she surprised him after he was getting out of the shower.
    Actually, the pics vs water is not important now since the State decided to go with agreeing with JA's story he was posing. For myself, I will never believe he agreed to 'pose' for naked pics. There is nothing 'posing' about the startled look on his face in my sig picture. And, I honestly don't see Travis at that point trusting her to have naked pics of him that could go public. It was against his very private side of not even acknowledging his sexual life. This is the man that told her 'you scammed me' and said she was evil sociopath'. And suddenly he is making naked pics for pride as if he'd put them on myspace or something in the hands of this 'you hurt me more than anyone ever has' person? Can't buy it, it doesn't add up for me. Was 'scammed me' referring to her blackmailing him with sex tape? Naked pics?
    Whatever he was referring to, it didn't project trust of her!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinkasaurus View Post
    I posted this over at WebSleuths, but thought folks here would enjoy it too - so copying my own post over -

    The last picture of Travis' face, while in the shower, is like a rorschach test - each of us sees something different in his expression.

    There is an on-line test called Mind in the Eyes, where you are shown cropped photos that reveal different people's eyes and you must choose one of four emotions that they are expressing. You can take the test here: Reading the Mind in the Eyes

    - this is based on the work of Simon Baron-Cohn and his research on empathy, and his book, The Essential Difference: Men, Women and the Extreme Male Brain.

    Anyway, I thought that the folks here who feel strongly about their interpretation of the emotion(s) Travis is showing in that last photo might enjoy taking the test.

    I personally see anger/irritation in his face in that photo.

    I scored a 31 out of 36 on that test, which indicates I am "very accurate" in decoding facial expressions - according to this test.

    This is so uncanny, as I really felt like each eye was saying something different. It shocked me to see the mirror image of the left eye; it was the eye showing fear. The eyebrow on the right was lowered; to me, it seemed sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mydeathspace View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by denn View Post

    Actually, the pics vs water is not important now since the State decided to go with agreeing with JA's story he was posing. For myself, I will never believe he agreed to 'pose' for naked pics. There is nothing 'posing' about the startled look on his face in my sig picture. And, I honestly don't see Travis at that point trusting her to have naked pics of him that could go public. It was against his very private side of not even acknowledging his sexual life. This is the man that told her 'you scammed me' and said she was evil sociopath'. And suddenly he is making naked pics for pride as if he'd put them on myspace or something in the hands of this 'you hurt me more than anyone ever has' person? Can't buy it, it doesn't add up for me. Was 'scammed me' referring to her blackmailing him with sex tape? Naked pics?
    Whatever he was referring to, it didn't project trust of her!
    But why would he allow himself to be photographed nude in bed?? They also did a sex video, which was deleted. I know she testified that he thought posing in a shower was a "gay" thing to him. So, I am confused about the shower pics. I am thrilled that they survived her attempt to destroy evidence. He is speaking from the grave, in my opinion. She had to about fall over in shock when she heard Flores tell her he had photos of them!!

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    I can't say for sure in Utah, but I've traveled in the Mid-Atlantic and SE area of the U.S. and there are convenience stores that close at night, but the pumps stay open. In fact, there's a BP station a mile from my house -- and I live in a mid-sized metro area -- that closes around those same post-midnight hours. The pay-at-the-pump still works.

    Same thing when I lived a bit further north; big city area. There was an Exxon that had a convenience store inside, and they closed during late night hours. Many's a morning I was there at 5 or 6am getting gas on my way to work and there is nothing but the gas pumps working. So, I don't have a hard time believing that Jodi ran into just this situation in Utah or wherever.


    "Well, it's YOUR fog..." - J. Martinez

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnieBelle View Post
    How ruuuuuude!

    Wow..AND, whoever ran the site shut the thread regarding all of this, down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by denn View Post
    I missed that testimony. I will have to look for it and read it. Did the expert say the door was open or closed? Sure would put my questions about that to rest.
    I am not sure if he did or not...I think it was on day 6 of testimony. To me, the door looks closed on the close up because you can see water droplets all over the glass door. However, the next in sequence...the one of his torso while he is still sitting in the shower appears that the door has been opened. No more glass, and you can see the bottom of the door and frame and it sure appears open to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mydeathspace View Post
    Who cares. They steal our stuff on a daily basis. People are free to repost whatever they want here.
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    Someone over there stole my timeline collage uncredited. WHO CARES, I don't need credit, I want the facts out and don't care how they get out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mydeathspace View Post
    Who cares. They steal our stuff on a daily basis. People are free to repost whatever they want here.

    Websleuths..get over it! Can't control the internet!

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    Whoever did that video of the timeline in the bathroom needs to send it to the Martinez. PLEASE!! I thought about calling that office and telling them how informative it was for me to see how her story COULD NOT pan out.!

    Hope the person who made it sees my post! Cause I am really impressed with that video. I imagined myself as a juror watching it rather than looking at a piece of cardboard with dimensions and showers, walls..etc..

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    Quote Originally Posted by denn View Post
    Whoever did that video of the timeline in the bathroom needs to send it to Martinez. PLEASE!! I thought about calling that office and telling them how informative it was for me to see how her story COULD NOT pan out.!

    Hope the person who made it sees my post! Cause I am really impressed with that video. I imagined myself as a juror watching it rather than looking at a piece of cardboard with dimensions and showers, walls..etc..
    Ps..I tried to edit and it would not work..not the Martinez..

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnieBelle View Post
    I am not sure if he did or not...I think it was on day 6 of testimony. To me, the door looks closed on the close up because you can see water droplets all over the glass door. However, the next in sequence...the one of his torso while he is still sitting in the shower appears that the door has been opened. No more glass, and you can see the bottom of the door and frame and it sure appears open to me.
    Thank you!!! Cause that is what I am seeing too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasthinking View Post

    But why would he allow himself to be photographed nude in bed?? They also did a sex video, which was deleted. I know she testified that he thought posing in a shower was a "gay" thing to him. So, I am confused about the shower pics. I am thrilled that they survived her attempt to destroy evidence. He is speaking from the grave, in my opinion. She had to about fall over in shock when she heard Flores tell her he had photos of them!!
    First, I'd have to believe the killer that they made a video and that is never going to happen. Or, believe killer they always took nudes and deleted them. I wouldn't believe a word she says without concrete backup proof. Two odd none posing pics of Travis isn't concrete to me. I maintain there is something odd about them. But none the less, I don't care if she had pics of him effing an elephant, they have nothing to do with butchering him. This is a murder case, not a sex offender case. Nurmi can puke out all he wants about sex, he might confuse the jury but he's never confused me.

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    Juan Martinez still has the rest of his cross of Stabby to complete, the two defense expert witnesses to cross and then his rebuttal case to put on.

    No way Martinez says in open court in front of jury that Salinas Wal-Mart has no record of return of gas can for that entire day without being able to back it up. Willing to bet at this point we will see a Rep from Tesoro testify that third purchase was gas.

    Also willing to bet that defense does NOT call Matt McCartney to testify for Stabby. The jury will wonder why the ONE person she supposedly told this fairytale to BEFORE she was arrested and who she claims would not betray her did not show up.

    My money is Juan Martinez.
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