Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[Ian 1]

Settle my argument, MDS. My boyfriend thinks that JM is dragging out the cross by talking about stuff that doesn't matter to the actual crime. He says that prosecutions tend to do this: they get so tied up in what the defense says that they spend most of their time trying to talk the jury out of believing the defendant's motive that they don't actually prove what the actual motive is (sorry super run-on sentence!).

He says he wishes JM would just get to the point of her jealousy and rage.

I told him that by him talking about poprocks and tootsie pops, he's trying to show that Travis wasn't abusive and that Jodi is full of it. I just don't know what else to say to him (my bf).

Don't apologize. Run-on sentences are my specialty. Call it poetic licence. Your boyfriend may have a point. We'll have to see how Martinez rounds out his strategy.

[Shahoolie11]

Also in regards to that shower picture someone posted (sorry can't remember!) http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/...psc324d7ce.jpg I notice there's no blood splatter on the walls of the shower. Maybe she was going off on one, Travis thought "fuck this", got out, was standing by the sink and she attacked him there whilst he had his back to her. There was alot of blood splatter on the sink. I don't think we'll ever know what went down but it's interesting to theorize.

GREAT point!! OMG......why didn't I think of that one...she didn't necessarily have to attack him in the shower first! I guess since they explained it that way through media coverage, as the main theory, I never really entered more sequences into my thought process.
Thank you for this point of view!!

[Shahoolie11]

Gotta love you Shahoolie11.I have the same shower and there is like a vacuum that you can hear when it opens and closes.Thanks for the test.

Woot Woot!! Thank you!! Gotta test these theories out!!

[Jinkasaurus]

GREAT point!! OMG......why didn't I think of that one...she didn't necessarily have to attack him in the shower first! I guess since they explained it that way through media coverage, as the main theory, I never really entered more sequences into my thought process.
Thank you for this point of view!!

Did you see my post about Travis getting irritated with her while he was in the shower (thus his facial expression), but then he gets out of shower, and as he is towel-drying his hair (eyes covered with towel), she puts the knife into his chest. I believe the autopsy report shows that the main wound in his chest came from a slightly lower level.

For some reason, this scenario makes a lot of sense to me - it would be when he is close to Jodi, but not ready to defend himself, and as soon as she made the first stab, then all the self-defense wounds come in.

[Karlita]

I agree on the 5:27:18 being when he realized she was there taking pics. That is the sheer terror photo to


me. So in looking at the time progressions the way the pics are laid out just blows her story of the dropped camera and he charged out of the shower after her right out of the water. Last pic of his body with the legs crossed at 5:30:30 and the next pic is 5:31:14 which is only about 45 seconds later and there is blood spattered all over in that pic on the baseboard and wall or whatever that is. There is no way he chased her she ran into the closet, climbed up the shelving and got the gun and he chased her back into the bathroom and charged at her and then the gun went off and she didnt even know if she had shot him. That is total bullshit because all of that could not have happened and there be blood all over like that in less than a minute. The way she said it happened is impossible. And there is now way 1 minute and 2 seconds after the first blood photo is the dragging him down the hall pic that she did not know he was dead. Fucking lying dirty ho bitch, I cant wait until Juan starts exposing all the lies and he WILL be able to prove it too.

P.S. I love reading all your postings and very much appreciate all the daily recaps as I am not able to watch at work and by the time I get home and see the end of the trial day and try to catch up with the posts....I never have time to comment. Plus you all pretty much say all the things I would say for the most part anyway! Sometimes I read someones comment and just crack up and literally laugh out loud....Thank you all for the great service you do for the rest of us.

That's what I said too, no way she had time. Proof is in the pictures!

[Shahoolie11]

Don't you dare let anything I saw make you feel 'stupid'. If there's anything stupid that ever appears on this thread that is connected to my thoughts, opinions or typing, I own it. You're right in interpreting what I said about Jodi Arias as wanting to appear, educated, smart, etc. beyond what the record of her achievements would demonstrate. That's an O.K. little deception. Almost everybody embellishes their status and achievements in one way or another--some a lot, some a little. Jodi does it on stilts. This creature took it to new heights and without doing the work, tried to carry off the role and she used it to invade and disrupt the lives of any others that she caught in her crosshairs; trying to make them pay deference to her and twisting them to her purposes. She passed herself off not as superior or accomplished by virtue of education, achievement, hard work, etc. but as inherently superior over others. She used everything and everybody, even the Mormon Church, and the Community in Mesa. She has some advanced verbal skills that could be a gift, but in her case are a curse. She knows the words, but has nothing worth saying. Jodi Arias is like the teenagers the teacher on this post spoke about recently. They only understand and use one pronoun, "I" and "me." That's O.K. in teenagers. We all expect it and they grow out of it.

In a nutshell, the photo of Jodi Arias with the black friend at a peformance of Othello at Ashland in 2008, is an example of what she did to all her 'men.' She's denying the guy his own dignity and then covering herself by bestowing a greater one upon him. The 'gift of Jodi." She picks a black guy and calls him Othello. Why? Cause the title of the Drama is "Othello, the Moor of Venice," who was probably dark-skinned. The great, smart, Jodi Arias is going to enrich and expand this guy's life with a caption under of picture of him and her on My Space. "Wouldn't he make a great Othello?" she writes. And,, standing beside him, the implied message is, "and here am I, the great Jodi Arias, adding a dimension to his life that he never knew he didn't have." I wonder what the guy thought. Well, for one thing, the essence of Othello isn't black skin. Anybody, anybody, who has read or seen the Drama soon recognizes that. Secondly, great actors have played Othello, some were black, some were white. They all wore makeup. Sir Lawrence Olivier, was one of the greatest.

In short, the deal she tried to make with Travis was kind of the same. "I will give you everything I have. I will bring a new dimension to your life. I will bring you things you don't know you never had. I will do this for you, Travis. In return, you must do the same for me." She ups the Ante by tossing in words like, 'monogamous' 'spiritual' 'acknowledge' blah, blah, all the while promoting his 'greatness' in unwanted ways, and she goes on and on about how she bragged about him in every medium she had access to and every place she went and that Travis should do the same for her. She lives in this false world that exists only in her own obsessed and distorted brain and calls that her truth. Read her messages to him. Travis saw through her and said, "No Deal. Number one, you don't have anything and you certainly don't have anything I want. Besides that, you invade my privacy, take my stuff and embarrass me in front of my old and good friends" So, because he refused 'the gift of Jodi Arias,' she killed him. She didn't stop there, though. Even after his death, she was claiming and redeeming him, arrogantly employing what she perceives as her superior status. Jodi Arias thinks she doesn't have to be worthy of someone else; they have to be worthy of her. Didn't you hear her tell Det. Flores, "Travis came from a real bad background you know, etc., etc., but he was a very special person. I know." She kept it up, redeeming Travis while she was living in her shabby bolt-hole in grandma and grandpa's house. She did it right up to she was caught. Breathtaking arrogance with devastatingly tragic consequences. Now, she's taking his 'greatness' apart to save her own empty miserable life.

There's a Drama in this. One of the themes? "Beware of those who want to redeem your life", or maybe "Ugly things can come wrapped in pretty packages," or ............take your pick. It's all been done before.

I gotta stop! Ask me any questions you want. I'll try to inject more clarity into my answers. Jodi is back on the stand tomorrow. Listen to her. Watch her. She never tells the truth. Never! The best you can say for her is that 'she is lying' or 'she isn't lying.' She doesn't understand truth. Truth lives somewhere outside of her and she doesn't recognize it and one irrefutable truth that lives outside her and that she will never connect to is that the lives of others are just as important as her own and that she is a murderer..

WELL WRITTEN SIR!!!!
I agree 100%!!!!

[Justice11]

I don't think that picture is a picture of her cutting his neck. To me it looks like that's already occured and he is lifted that way because she's dragging him backwards.

Agree.

I actually think that the near decapitation (this was way more than a cut throat) was already done and he was in the process of being dragged when the picture was taken. I think that that wound was inflicted on the carpet just because of the volume of blood that was on it.

Yep, completely agree.

I also agree. I think she would have had a hard time inflicting that brutal neck wound with him in that position. I think it's more likely he was face-down on the floor or on his knees trying to get up when she cut his throat. I'm no physics genius, but I think the weight of his body while facing down helped devil woman nearly decapitate him.

Well said.

There is one factor that isn't mentioned when we are talking about her strength, rage, etc. The factor is...she is fuckin' nuts. I don't know if any of you have seen a sociopath/psychopath enraged but I have. This is not something that I talk about but I guess I will. My brother is a diagnosed psychopath with sociopathic tendencies. When he was younger you literally had to walk on eggshells around him so as not to set him off. I am older than he is when he was 10, I was 19 and I said something to piss him off. He came at me with a pair of meat shears. I ran into a bathroom and locked the door as he drove them through the door to get at me. It took 4 police officers to subdue him, reiterate he was 10. When people like that are enraged they have strength like you wouldn't believe.

I'm sorry that happened to you.
Yep, her craziness is a HUGE factor that gets overlooked way too often.

One scenario that works for me is that he was irritated when she was taking his pics, but he gets out of the shower, and when is drying his hair off with a towel, she stabs him in the chest, as they are standing by the sink. He then fights off some more stabs, leans over the sink at some point, then heads down the hallway, and it goes on from there.

Him standing naked with his eyes covered by a towel while drying his hair would be the perfect moment for her to make her first move, hitting him in the chest. I think they said the chest wounds were from a slightly lower angle rather than from up above?

It's an interesting thought. It does tighten up the time line a bit more though...you would have to allow for him getting out, getting his towel, and starting to dry off. Still possible. It's one of those things we will never know because Jodi is too big of a bit** to come forward with the truth.

[coconut]

hearing those texts just a bit before the killing where he tells her "you are the worst thing that ever happened to me" I just think, "WHY did you keep letting her back in then?!?!?!" If only, if only, if only....

A had already dragged him back into the bathroom stood near the sink area & shot him where he lay dead, put him in the shower.. etc Just my lil theory :)

An excellent theory, and probably close to reality. We just need to account for when the other frontal stab wounds happend. Only 9 were in the back. She also stabbed his skull and lower abdomen.

If Travis was on trial and was claiming self-defense cause he was afraid of Jodi you people would fucking belly laugh.

That is the mind-melting part of the whole thing. If Travis was on trial for killing Jodi with all the same evidence, mark my words, no jury would ever let him live. It should be the same for her.

Let's throw Matt in the mix again. It's fun the to imagine he was involved in some way (standing behind her with the gun? waiting in the car trunk as backup?) BUT we know he was not. Why? The text and phone and email records don't support. This woman would have left some electronic trace of that planning. When people collaborate on a murder the number of texts/calls would be massive. Hundreds.

[Jinkasaurus]

Given that the main chest wound did not come from a downward angle, at some point, he would have to be standing right in front of her for her to stab him like that.

If he has already been stabbed and is protecting himself, its hard to see many other moments in this sequence where he would stand facing her, giving her direct aim at his chest. That is why him having his arms up towel drying his head seems the most obvious to me.

[Shahoolie11]

Did you see my post about Travis getting irritated with her while he was in the shower (thus his facial expression), but then he gets out of shower, and as he is towel-drying his hair (eyes covered with towel), she puts the knife into his chest. I believe the autopsy report shows that the main wound in his chest came from a slightly lower level.

For some reason, this scenario makes a lot of sense to me - it would be when he is close to Jodi, but not ready to defend himself, and as soon as she made the first stab, then all the self-defense wounds come in.

Jinkasaurus! Yes! I just read your post too, that is also a VERY good point!! I ran through that scenario after you posted it, and looked back on that last picture of Travis...I can totally picture him just standing up and saying, "You know what? Fuck this Jodi, get the hell out of here, Dammit!!!" towel dries his hair a little as he's walking away from her..........BOOM! I love reading all these possibilities... You're right I also remember the M.E. saying the first wound was from a lower level...stabbing somewhat upward. Really does make a lot of sense. Caught completely off-guard. That sneaky little hussy.

[Jem]

Did you see my post about Travis getting irritated with her while he was in the shower (thus his facial expression), but then he gets out of shower, and as he is towel-drying his hair (eyes covered with towel), she puts the knife into his chest. I believe the autopsy report shows that the main wound in his chest came from a slightly lower level.

For some reason, this scenario makes a lot of sense to me - it would be when he is close to Jodi, but not ready to defend himself, and as soon as she made the first stab, then all the self-defense wounds come in.

Hmm. Wasn't the most prominent chest wound a fatal one that pierced the heart? You could be right there considering the amount of blood on the sink, it would have to be a serious wound to create that splatter. From defending himself at the sink, he probably staggered away, she got him in the back multiple times and collapsed at the end of the hallway where she delivered the cut throat. It sucks to theorize on what happened because it makes you realise how much Travis really suffered.

[Ian 1]

Yay! You referenced me :) the teacher! LOL

I completely agree with you. I think also she just uses words like "monogamous" and "spiritual" to sound smarter for the sake of just sounding smart. Case in point, when she was being cross-examined by JM, she kept saying the reason she confronted Travis about the make-out incident was because he was still "courting" her. Who freaking says that? He was still trying to date me. We were still in a sexual relationship. Sure. He was trying to "court" me?

HAHAHA. Maybe to her it was courting but to Travis is was just booty.

I just think I'd give the huge side eye to someone who said that they were "courting" me.

If I told my first girlfriend that I was 'courting her' she would have tossed my ass out of the backseat of the car at the Drive-In.

[Jinkasaurus]

It sucks to theorize on what happened because it makes you realise how much Travis really suffered.

Today I tried to imagine what Travis would think if he knew about all of us obsessively following his case (like he is up in Heaven looking down on us or something) - and I thought, he would realize that the overwhelming majority of us are devastated about what happened to him and we want the person who did this to pay.. and that we can barely comprehend how Jodi did this to him - how she managed to even think about doing it in the first place, and then how did she actually bring herself to do it !!! At least that is how I feel.

[Shahoolie11]

TO ALL THE LOVELY MEMBERS OF MDS:
What do you think this week will bring us... Do you think the predictions are true, that Jodi will be meeker acting tomorrow, lose most of that shitty smugness (courtesy of her defense team coaching her sorry ass over the weekend)?? Or do you think she's still got a fire under her ass for Juan...and will challenge him to the end? Do you think there will be waves of arrogance from her, with waves of apologetic, teary testimony? I guess we'll all find out tomorrow, I'm just curious about the predictions in here. You have all been spot on, this entire trial! you all!

[So and So]

I grew up with many of my Mormon friends (and other Christian friends) using the term courting. My circles overlapped with Travis', so maybe that was a regional trend? Common in religious kids at the least.

[Harlette]

This is pretty cool :

some one had a lot of time to kill

I still think they were role sex playing in the shower pictures.

I think they played a lot of sex games.

sister !

[Shahoolie11]

Today I tried to imagine what Travis would think if he knew about all of us obsessively following his case (like he is up in Heaven looking down on us or something) - and I thought, he would realize that the overwhelming majority of us are devastated about what happened to him and we want the person who did this to pay.. and that we can barely comprehend how Jodi did this to him - how she managed to even think about doing it in the first place, and then how did she actually bring herself to do it !!! At least that is how I feel.

That's a good thought...I had something similar the other day too, thinking if heaven exists, and we're able to have any awareness, I hope the same as you, Travis sees all this love and support for him, and getting justice for him. I hope if nothing else, that brings his soul peace... I also hope that he has haunted the hell out of Jodi at least a couple of times, since he left earth with unfinished business. I hope this trial ends the way we all want it to end...(THIS many people's opinion and perception of Jodi on this forum and everyone I talk to) can't be wrong.

[Ian 1]

Love you all guys. Today I, once again, got to brush up against the great open heart of America. I grieve for Travis Alexander who had his share wrenched from him.

Goodnight.

[Jinkasaurus]

The main thing that fucks up her claim of self-defense is the overkill, which in this case includes stabs to the BACK!!!!!

I don't see how any juror in their right mind could get tripped up on that aspect.

I pray to God that she gets sent to prison. I don't really care if its LWOP or DP. I am personally against the DP, one reason is that the criminal gets so many appeals and it just drags the victim's family through all that crap over and over again for years.

I just want her to go away and be forgotten about.

[bryanwasdrunk]

TO ALL THE LOVELY MEMBERS OF MDS:
What do you think this week will bring us... Do you think the predictions are true, that Jodi will be meeker acting tomorrow, lose most of that shitty smugness (courtesy of her defense team coaching her sorry ass over the weekend)?? Or do you think she's still got a fire under her ass for Juan...and will challenge him to the end? Do you think there will be waves of arrogance from her, with waves of apologetic, teary testimony? I guess we'll all find out tomorrow, I'm just curious about the predictions in here. You have all been spot on, this entire trial! you all!

Predictions?

She may try to go back to the demeanor she had with Nurmi under direct, but it isn't gonna last. Remember the first thing out of JM's mouth was ". . . and the other one is a picture of your ... DUMB ... SISTER ... Angela, correct?"

He spent Thursday feeling out what her hot buttons are, and you can be sure he's gonna be all over her hot buttons this whole week.
She'll hulk out and have to get zapped by her stun belt before March.

[dianalyn]

Can someone explain the difference in priveleges for prisoners on death row and those who are serving LWOP?
And how long average does an inmate currently on death row in AZ serve before his/her actual sentence is carried out? When was the last time anyone in AZ executed? I could just google it but I figure one of you would probably already know.

Also, I have seen in other trial juries being taken to the actual crime scene, it seems as though that would be very effective in this case. If the jury could see what a small area this actually is, how Travis was basically boxed in with no way to either escape or fight back. They would also be able to visualize the closet and how ridiculous her leap to the top to grab a gun fire it after being body slammed on a tile floor and magically leaping up like an action hero in yet another movie in her own mind. And it needs to keep be stressed over and over how the time frame for all of this was minutes.
The photo of his closet does show something green towards the back, can anyone tell what that is?

[tiggrrl72077]

I grew up with many of my Mormon friends (and other Christian friends) using the term courting. My circles overlapped with Travis', so maybe that was a regional trend? Common in religious kids at the least.

Growing up in the same area as Travis and being mormon myself I can say (not that I am the authority on people from Riverside or Mormons) I've never used the term courting. None of my family or friends have that I can remember either.

[Jinkasaurus]

I don't think Jodi is going to have any major melt-down on cross. There are too many breaks each day, a long lunch, and the entire day in court is only from 10:30-4:30pm, so I think she has lots of time to compose herself.

She will continue to do what she did on Thursday- argue about each and every word Juan uses, try to answer neither yes nor no when possible, and then pause while she tries to figure out the right answer.

I also think that the major impact from Juan will be when he does his final summary of the case and pulls all the little details that emerge on cross together.

I don't think there will be a lot of "aha" Law & Order type moments when she is on the stand.

[Beantown Bitch]

I figured, then I gave you some REP just for being awesome, and for your original signature!!!

Thanks , you are too kind. You all ready for the trial to start back up? I hate getting into stuff too much!

[Shahoolie11]

Predictions?

She may try to go back to the demeanor she had with Nurmi under direct, but it isn't gonna last. Remember the first thing out of JM's mouth was ". . . and the other one is a picture of your ... DUMB ... SISTER ... Angela, correct?"

He spent Thursday feeling out what her hot buttons are, and you can be sure he's gonna be all over her hot buttons this whole week.
She'll hulk out and have to get zapped by her stun belt before March.

LOL!! Nice! I love it!
I'd pay my hard-earned money to see that shit! ***ZAAAAP!!!!****