The Trayvon Martin discussion

[bowieluva]

Ron, I am going to ask you nicely not to troll this thread when there are enough real people who genuinely believe this shit to waste pages of space on it.

[Reaper-Creeper]

The whole point of a CCW is that you can carry concealed, and you are required to go thru some amount of training. I did it, and I will say the majority of the training is about the law and the liability one takes to carry said firearm. I carry, and yes it is loaded. Am I looking for a fight, no. Am I a criminal because I carry, no. Why do I carry you may ask, because I have 3 young kids and a wife who live in a shitty part of town. I am not looking for trouble nor do I involve myself as a hero. One of the first things they instruct you about in a CCW course is to be a witness, not an aggressor.

[wasthinking]

Zimmerman was a one-man neighborhood watch according to the testimony today from the Home Owners' Group. He went to the HO and requested the right to start a group, went to the police and had them 'train him' but worked alone.

Sept-Feb and big shot Coordinator never organized anything, didn't even return the paperwork Wendi Dorival had requested of him.

[Ron_NYC]

Ron, I am going to ask you nicely not to troll this thread when there are enough real people who genuinely believe this shit to waste pages of space on it.

I can't believe someone used the term 'lame-stream-media' and was being serious.

They're fucking around, right?

[Reaper-Creeper]

He was a kid walking through his neighborhood that he lived in to his house with Skittles and a soda. It doesn't matter how many video games he played or if he broke curfew a few times and smoked a joint. What was going on there was GZ acting out his crazy fantasies and power plays and this kid being the victim of it. That is all. Anything else that you are coming out with, like I said, doesn't have anything to do with what took place that night. Zimmerman is not psychic and didn't know fuck all about him.

No, I disagree. Who threw the first punch? Who escalated the situation? If I was getting my head bashed to the concrete and I was yelling for help with no one helping, I would have done the same thing by pulling out the only means of stopping the aggression. However, I agree it would have been better for GZ to have remained in his vehicle. Might I ask where you get your information from on how it all went down that night? Not an attack on you, just curious.

[Ron_NYC]

No, I disagree. Who threw the first punch? Who escalated the situation? If I was getting my head bashed to the concrete and I was yelling for help with no one helping, I would have done the same thing by pulling out the only means of stopping the aggression. However, I agree it would have been better for GZ to have remained in his vehicle. Might I ask where you get your information from on how it all went down that night? Not an attack on you, just curious.

www.irateirishman.com same as you.

[bowieluva]

So if I'm walking in an alley, realize some guy is following me, yell for him to fuck off, and then when he grabs me, I punch him in the face, he can totally just shoot me, right?

I get my info from police reports, not Psychic Sylvia Brown.

[Harlette]

Basically, his entire defense is going to have to be that Trayvon was a gangster thug in his private life. But then that can be contradicted with the legitimate arrests Zimmerman has on his record for being violent.

at this point trayvons past cannot be used as evidence, like his postings, r tweets r bold work, judge said that would only be relevant if george knew thin info b4 the shooting, then it would be mistgating, but because he didn't, its not going to be allowed

[Reaper-Creeper]

So if I'm walking in an alley, realize some guy is following me, yell for him to fuck off, and then when he grabs me, I punch him in the face, he can totally just shoot me, right?

I get my info from police reports, not Psychic Sylvia Brown.

I see conflicting reports in regards to the police, and I prefer the magic 8 ball for psychic info. Your scenario shows that you were not the aggressor, as he grabbed you first. Being followed is not something that qualifies for a heightened aggression, a punch or a shove is. Its not a crime to follow someone, but it is a crime to assault someone. From what I have read and heard in regards to this case, there is just cause for self defense here. Many may not like that, but it is what it is.

[Ron_NYC]

No, I disagree. Who threw the first punch? Who escalated the situation? If I was getting my head bashed to the concrete and I was yelling for help with no one helping, I would have done the same thing by pulling out the only means of stopping the aggression. However, I agree it would have been better for GZ to have remained in his vehicle. Might I ask where you get your information from on how it all went down that night? Not an attack on you, just curious.

I'd just like to add, if the only way you can end a fight with a 175 lbs 17-year old is with a gun, you're a pussy.

[Harlette]

This is a witchhunt at this point. You people all have your minds made up. You're all afraid of facts. Suddenly it's against the law to get out of your car, chase someone down, and shoot them to death? I thought this was America.

Don't you realize the authority a neighborhood watchman has? They're about as important as chicken inspectors. Have some fucking respect for the badge, son.

well i have read all day today on fb and comments its all trayvns fault cuz he didn't run to his dads house fast enuff

first time i have really checked out comments - idk if i'm gonna make

[Monter]

The whole point of a CCW is that you can carry concealed, and you are required to go thru some amount of training. I did it, and I will say the majority of the training is about the law and the liability one takes to carry said firearm. I carry, and yes it is loaded. Am I looking for a fight, no. Am I a criminal because I carry, no. Why do I carry you may ask, because I have 3 young kids and a wife who live in a shitty part of town. I am not looking for trouble nor do I involve myself as a hero. One of the first things they instruct you about in a CCW course is to be a witness, not an aggressor.

And following someone at night in the dark, without identifying yourselfor your intentions, while carrying, is not aggressive??

[AnnieBelle]

No, I disagree. Who threw the first punch? Who escalated the situation? If I was getting my head bashed to the concrete and I was yelling for help with no one helping, I would have done the same thing by pulling out the only means of stopping the aggression. However, I agree it would have been better for GZ to have remained in his vehicle. Might I ask where you get your information from on how it all went down that night? Not an attack on you, just curious.

GZ was a self-appointed-one-man-watchdog-superhero-wannabe. He had no business doing what he was doing. He went looking for trouble, and he found it. People like him are fucking scary. Shoot first, ask questions later?

[Reaper-Creeper]

Here is a thought, why would GZ risk everything by attacking this unknown person? The cops were on the way and GZ knew this. TM did not. Should TM hung up with his gf and called the cops?

[Harlette]

No, I disagree. Who threw the first punch? Who escalated the situation? If I was getting my head bashed to the concrete and I was yelling for help with no one helping, I would have done the same thing by pulling out the only means of stopping the aggression. However, I agree it would have been better for GZ to have remained in his vehicle. Might I ask where you get your information from on how it all went down that night? Not an attack on you, just curious.

but george said himself trayvon asked him why he was following him, why didn't george just say neigborhood watch did you live here instead of telling him to stop?

[Angiebla]

No, I disagree. Who threw the first punch? Who escalated the situation? If I was getting my head bashed to the concrete and I was yelling for help with no one helping, I would have done the same thing by pulling out the only means of stopping the aggression. However, I agree it would have been better for GZ to have remained in his vehicle. Might I ask where you get your information from on how it all went down that night? Not an attack on you, just curious.

Here's the thing...if GZ was the one screaming for help (which I don't think he was), and was having his head bashed into the concrete, wouldn't the voice yelling modulate along with the blows?

[McMama]

Here is a thought, why would GZ risk everything by attacking this unknown person? The cops were on the way and GZ knew this. TM did not. Should TM hung up with his gf and called the cops?

If you've self-appointed yourself as law enforcement, you wouldn't expect to lose everything - especially because he shot a black kid. The black kid deaths don't count.

[Harlette]

Here is a thought, why would GZ risk everything by attacking this unknown person? The cops were on the way and GZ knew this. TM did not. Should TM hung up with his gf and called the cops?

idk why did he?

Here's the thing...if GZ was the one screaming for help (which I don't think he was), and was having his head bashed into the concrete, wouldn't the voice yelling modulate along with the blows?

and if it was george, would the screams instantly stop the second the gun is shot??

[Reaper-Creeper]

And following someone at night in the dark, without identifying yourselfor your intentions, while carrying, is not aggressive??

In itself no. You have no idea how many people you pass in a given day that are doing that to you, but you see it as normal. Perhaps not at night, but in many cases in the store, streets, or even playground. Could have GZ said something, sure but he was not required to as a police officer would. I will admit that it could be considered aggressive, but not to the point were deadly force would be feasible. That came into play as TM escalated the situation.

[Reaper-Creeper]

but george said himself trayvon asked him why he was following him, why didn't george just say neigborhood watch did you live here instead of telling him to stop?

I don't know why he did not say something then. Speculation is the only thing that can answer that now.

Here's the thing...if GZ was the one screaming for help (which I don't think he was), and was having his head bashed into the concrete, wouldn't the voice yelling modulate along with the blows?

Yeah, I wonder the same thing. However the way I understand it is that it went down "MMA" style. Meaning he could have screamed between blows.

[Ron_NYC]

I don't know why he did not say something then. Speculation is the only thing that can answer that now.



Yeah, I wonder the same thing. However the way I understand it is that it went down "MMA" style. Meaning he could have screamed between blows.

[wasthinking]

If you've self-appointed yourself as law enforcement, you wouldn't expect to lose everything - especially because he shot a black kid. The black kid deaths don't count.

Especially in Sanford

FBI report sa_alexander_w50.pdf

[name redacted] was asked to describe his opinion of the tone of
sanford. said that he has mediated several cases with staff
members of Sanford Police Department (SPD) and feels he has
knowledge of the tone and issues within SPD. He described the SPD as a "good old boys" network. For example, fmaile police officers would never get promoted. He also heard that a few years ago African Americans were referred to as "porch monkeys" by the white officers on the radio.


Who is - witness, Sanford's Senior Project Manager Andrew Thomas
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...police-officer

[Harlette]

I don't know why he did not say something then. Speculation is the only thing that can answer that now.



Yeah, I wonder the same thing. However the way I understand it is that it went down "MMA" style. Meaning he could have screamed between blows.

um you know that the witness "john" changed his testimony and said later that he could not tell if any punches were being thrown at all. much less punching him mma style like he said origanally

[Angiebla]

I don't know why he did not say something then. Speculation is the only thing that can answer that now.



Yeah, I wonder the same thing. However the way I understand it is that it went down "MMA" style. Meaning he could have screamed between blows.

By MMA are you referring to mixed martial arts? As in ninja style fighting? I have not heard anything remotely like that anywhere.

[AnnieBelle]

I don't know why he did not say something then. Speculation is the only thing that can answer that now.



Yeah, I wonder the same thing. However the way I understand it is that it went down "MMA" style. Meaning he could have screamed between blows.

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, farts like a duck.....my guess is, it's probably not a goose.