Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[Mochachino]

I agree, I think it (adrenaline) can suppress pain. However, it doesn't quell the initial pain.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-adrenaline.htm

When a person encounters a potentially dangerous situation, the hypothalamus in the brain signals the adrenal glands to release adrenaline and other hormones directly into the bloodstream. The body's systems react to these hormones within seconds, giving the person a nearly instant physical boost. Strength and speed both increase, while the body's ability to feel pain decreases. This hormonal surge is often referred to as an "adrenaline rush."

I've been in an earthquake, and bad auto accident. Adrenaline there, but everything seemed to slow down to the second! I remember every second of these events. I don't know if it's the same as what Travis went through, I can only hope he didn't because that 2 minutes would be even more excruciating than the literal time.

So in the next phase.... if Jodi gets up and says "I'm sorry", do you think the jury will believe it?
Or maybe she just can't get those words out of her mouth, even with her life on the line

They don't belive a word out of her mouth. I don't think she will do it. She wants to die a martyr, if I'm using the right word.

shall we create a thread for jury predictions? Im happy to set it up

My 30 min is up. Wonderful offer Metis!

[alyoop]

It took a week to get through the aggravation phase? That had to be brutal. And that trial didn't go on near as long as this one has. Strange.

Do we know if the jurors are actually deliberating or at lunch?

The clock on my TV is still ticking so I am assuming they are deliberating.

[NCBlonde]

is there still a mitigation phase then?

No there wouldn't be, the mitigation is purely to save her life. If the jury finds no cruelty, then it would go to the judge to impart a life sentence. The only thing I am not sure about is if the judge must only say LWOP, or whether she can give the possibility of parole. I have seen conflicting info about this.

[lorizfree]

"Dr. Horne, could you please take off all your clothes slowly and then show on your body the location of all wounds?"- JW cross examine

Exactly

[Mochachino]

I THOUGHT so!!!! That is fantastic, that they both got in! I know Ian was very disappointed when he didn't get into the courtroom last week, and was hoping that he'd get in, today!! And what great seats, they had!! Can't wait to hear their views on what they saw and heard!!

Do you think he actually saw Jodi's mom's notes/scribbles? So glad Ian got in on such a powerful momentis day!

[lildandy]

I missed jury instructions. If the jury finds the aggravating factor was met, then we go to a death penalty phase right? Juan will give us why she should be executed and DT will try to present mitigation.

[Metis212]

ok, here it is. No, the old poll wasn't set up to be used for the aggravation phase.
http://mydeathspace.com/vb/showthrea...ravation-Phase

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

what happens if jury does NOT think there was cruelty?

Then the death penalty is off the table.

Then that's it. The judge will do the sentencing.

is there still a mitigation phase then?

No there wouldn't be, the mitigation is purely to save her life. If the jury finds no cruelty, then it would go to the judge to impart a life sentence. The only thing I am not sure about is if the judge must only say LWOP, or whether she can give the possibility of parole. I have seen conflicting info about this.

If they say extreme cruelty was not proven then sentencing would take place in 30 to 60 days. The Judge could give her LWOP or 25 yrs to life

[NCBlonde]

It seems a though the jury is having a working lunch. Beth Karas on HLN said one went down for a smoke and others wanted to have something to eat. I take that as a good sign we will hear something soon, if they are just having some snacks rather than taking a lunch break.

[Jinkasaurus]

I've been in an earthquake, and bad auto accident. Adrenaline there, but everything seemed to slow down to the second! I remember every second of these events. .

I was attacked by two girls once outside of a night club. One punched me in the face, then I dropped to the ground and they were punching me, kicking me, and pulling my hair. I can clearly remember thinking, "they are going to kill me" while this was happening, and like you said, time seemed to slow down and I can still remember, over 20 years later, most of the details.

[Iluvsam]

No there wouldn't be, the mitigation is purely to save her life. If the jury finds no cruelty, then it would go to the judge to impart a life sentence. The only thing I am not sure about is if the judge must only say LWOP, or whether she can give the possibility of parole. I have seen conflicting info about this.

Same here, I've heard she can only get life without parole, but other people was saying that she also can get parole after 25 years, and some others were saying that parole can apply to people younger than 18. So many conflicting theories hehe.
We will have to wait and see. I really doubt that even if she has the opportunity to get parole, the judge will give it to her.

[alyoop]

This is why the jury will come back with the death penalty: (thanks again NCBlonde for the article on the jury in the Andriano case!)

While jurors were discussing whether to execute Andriano, they considered that they would have no control over whether the trial judge, Brian Ishikawa, would give her life in prison with or without parole, she said.

Jurors did not want to see a 25 years to life sentence.

[poppym]

"Dr. Horne, could you please take off all your clothes slowly and then show on your body the location of all wounds?"- JW cross examine

Or, just take off all your clothes! Woof!

[faq_q]

Spoke to Denver, he will fill you all in later. He was telling me how truly unreal experiencing it in real life is. They went down to the courtyard for a bit then are now on their way back now to see how the line looks.

[Mochachino]

Why even make the jury and family go through these two phases if the Judge can over rule it and bring in the 25 or less years?

[alyoop]

I was attacked by two girls once outside of a night club. One punched me in the face, then I dropped to the ground and they were punching me, kicking me, and pulling my hair. I can clearly remember thinking, "they are going to kill me" while this was happening, and like you said, time seemed to slow down and I can still remember, over 20 years later, most of the details.

How awful! I look at adrenaline rush like this:
Its akin to childbirth. it fucking hurts, but after you look at what you made, it's done. or is this a shitty analogy?

[Iluvsam]

Why even make the jury and family go through these two phases if the Judge can over rule it and bring in the 25 or less years?

Because if they decide it was cruel, the jury is the one who decides the punishment, not the judge.

[Metis212]

vote here http://mydeathspace.com/vb/showthrea...ravation-Phase

[Pywackett]

Tweet from Denis Leary:

Denis Leary‏@denisleary37m
I'd let Jodi Arias live if the jury says she has to go full psycho bitch on OJ.

[loonywop]

I honestly hold no ill will towards the defense team..did they sink to low levels yes...I really think they tried their best which is what the law requires. They also know that their client is going to die...how horrible that must feel.

They are in way over their heads.It show's in their actions.They look nervous..not for their client but for death.They have never been in a situation where they lost their client to death.Was it a tough sell? Hell yea it was... did they do their best????? who know's.I wouldn't want their job for all the money they are making X 10.They must now ask themselves why they got into law,for this? It has to be a chilling awakening feeling one I hope I never have to feel.

[alyoop]

Why even make the jury and family go through these two phases if the Judge can over rule it and bring in the 25 or less years?

The judge doesn't overrule anything. Here is what it is: right now they deliberate cruelty. IF they say YES, cruel. then this trial moves to phase 3. mitigation. IF the jury says not cruel, then it skips mitigation and goes to sentencing.
If the jury says not cruel, the judge decides sentence. jury goes home. the judge can give her natural life which is LWOP. or the judge can give her life which is possibe parole AFTER 25 years. cuz that is how arizona rolls.

[NCBlonde]

Why even make the jury and family go through these two phases if the Judge can over rule it and bring in the 25 or less years?

I don't think the judge can overrule. If the jury comes back and says there was cruelty; and they all agree, then the DP is still on the table and ultimately the jury will decide DP or LWOP. Unless, when they get to the actual penalty phase vote and can't agree unanimously. And even then, a second (and I've read a 3rd jury if necessary) will decide life or death. And if 3 juries cannot agree, then the judge will decide.

I attribute the 3 juries part to an article I read/posted in one of the subthreads last week. So, it seems 3 juries get a crack at deciding before the judge takes action. Unless the jury comes back today and they all agree no cruelty.

[Brillig]

I was this Bored, during the defense closing & wrote y'all a poem, I hope you like it

Poor Poor Jodi beaten w/ spoons
makes her prison living, drawing cartoons.
Thought she'd grow up with children to bear
but that doesn't happen when you get it in the rear.
She played house with many, but were all big fails,
until she found her niche', donning teenage pigtials.
She met a boy who tried his best to be pure,
but Jodi oh Jodi we all know is a big whore.
She wiggled her way into his heart,
she hoped that they, would never be apart.
Things got a little crazy, as she started her obsession,
thinking that Travis was now her possession.
Knowing it was wrong & when he tried to make it right,
she would come by peeking in windows, in the middle of the night.
Climbing through doggy doors, hiding under the tree,
was more than he could take, he wanted to be free.
She packed up her bags & said she will leave,
but this was the point were she started to unweave.
She made a plot & made plans
even borrowed & bought a couple gas cans.
She robbed the gun from her grandparents house,
set out on a trek, & snuck in like a mouse.
Snapped a couple pictures all while there,
not knowing in hours he would soon be in fear.
And so the story goes she stands on trial for her life,
Poor Poor Jodi, no one wants her to be their wife.

Great poem, Cocopop! Very creative!

And it gave me an idea.... since this thread can go a little nuts when there are long delays (like waiting for a verdict), we need a way to while away the time and a direction for our energy and creative juices. So I started a new thread..... a Haiku Contest for all things Jodi related.

Haiku are tiny little poems only 17 syllables long. Not everyone can write poetry, but anyone can write a haiku!

So show us all your creativity and post your haiku on the new Haiku Thread.

[rdeadline]

Tweet from Denis Leary:

Denis Leary‏@denisleary37m
I'd let Jodi Arias live if the jury says she has to go full psycho bitch on OJ.

Ha Ha he's a trial watcher!! I bet even the first lady is watching.

[*crickets*]

what happens if jury does NOT think there was cruelty?

is there still a mitigation phase then?

If they say extreme cruelty was not proven then sentencing would take place in 30 to 60 days. The Judge could give her LWOP or 25 yrs to life

Bolded is ^^NOT CORRECT ^^

No offense Sneakers but I have spent a lot of time going over these statutes...if the jury is unanimous that extreme cruelty was NOT proven, the judge will impose a sentence of Natural Life which is LWOP since Jodi was over 18 when she committed the crime.

If she had been under 18 at the time the judge would have the option of Natural Life or Life.

Natural Life =LWOP
Life=possibility of parole after 25 years.