Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[Angiebla]

Hey, we're all entitled to our own opinions................ I would love to know what stabby was like when you spent all of that time with her during your evaluation of her. and you are so beyond wrong in saying that I would like her! your nuts!
I have more experience with psychopaths than you are obviously aware of........ I have no doubts that she has more going on besides being a psychopath but that is the part that she is showing us loud and clear...... and just for shits and giggles..... she is also impulsive, I don't know how you haven't seen any evidence of that in her past.

I understand you have the right to your own opinion, but don't argue with a Psychiatrist about mental health issues.

REALLY!? "DO YOU HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT?!"

Oh Right wasn't even talking to you.

[Jinkasaurus]

I think a big part of Jodi's anger toward Travis is that he had sex with her after they broke up but kept it on the down low.

She talks about that in her original 48 Hours interview, in her attempt to get a plea deal (which interesting to note is that people plead down on charges, not UP, so the fact that she asked for 2nd degree murder says a lot there), and in her interview after the verdict.

I think this is one factor of many that fuels her rage toward Travis. That he was this popular motivational speaker who also happened to be Mormon (which means no sex before marriage), and he clearly put that out as his public persona, all the while getting down and dirty with her behind closed doors, and making it clear he didn't consider wife material, and that he was moving on. I think that enraged her.

If he had been pulling that with a more stable woman, she would have gotten the hint (like the ones the Hughes tried to give Jodi) and walked away.

Jodi had decided that this was the man for her. He had the money, the house, the cars, the social popularity. And she found him sexually attractive. He was her ticket to the good life.

The fact that he didn't want her was the barbeque, and the fact that he kept having sex with her even though he didn't really want her, was the gasoline poured on top of it.

I can understand why that would make her angry. But her problem is that she wasn't smart enough to disentangle herself from this situation. She had to get back at him and punish him for it. She wasn't going to let Travis get away with treating her like trash. She can't see that it was entirely her own choice to serve herself up on a silver platter over and over again. That is 100% on her. She is just enraged that all her efforts to snag her prey didn't work. And so he had to pay the price for that.

And I think now she relishes the fact that no one knows exactly what happened in that bathroom that day. The descriptions made in court probably come close, but only she knows exactly how it went down. And I also think she loves the fact that she had so much power over Travis sexually. She makes the comment in the original 48 Hours episode that no one except she and Travis know what went on behind closed doors. I think this makes her feel like she possesses him in some way. And the fact that she killed him enhances that feeling of possession. And the fact that all these people want to know exactly how she killed him just enhances the feelings of control and ownership that she has.

I think the small grin she made as she walked away at the very end of the interview after her verdict reveals it all - its the duper's delight smile.

[lorizfree]

It is amazing & fascinating stuff for sure! I think you may be right about Ressler too........ there are quite a few comments at the end of that article and someone made reference to him & the fMRI.

I'm out of reps, but I'll send some later.

[TMY1]

How juvenile geesh get over it. It wasn't mine to be right silly.
elamir was the one that brought it here for us. elamir was the one that was right, get it.

Would you please give it up! No one question the accuracy of the great and powerful Dr. Zira!

[I doubt it]

REALLY!? "DO YOU HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT?!"

My dog's right here being his cutie-pie self. He never fights.

That whole exchange was very confusing, so I traced it back to the beginning. It's not the first time WT refused to stand behind her own words.

[olgasbunghole]

Originally Posted by smurfy
I think she figured it would be played for them, thats why she said she wanted death. Thinking they wont give her what she "wants" they will settle with LWOP. Staying alive and in a system that she can control would be fine with her. Imo.

I agree. I hope she gets the death penalty for at least 10 years, to suffer the treatment in that environment. After that, I'd be ok if they they reduce it to LWOP.

me too!

[olgasbunghole]

Originally Posted by olgasbunghole
Hey, we're all entitled to our own opinions................ I would love to know what stabby was like when you spent all of that time with her during your evaluation of her. and you are so beyond wrong in saying that I would like her! your nuts!
I have more experience with psychopaths than you are obviously aware of........ I have no doubts that she has more going on besides being a psychopath but that is the part that she is showing us loud and clear...... and just for shits and giggles..... she is also impulsive, I don't know how you haven't seen any evidence of that in her past.

I understand you have the right to your own opinion, but don't argue with a Psychiatrist about mental health issues.



Originally Posted by olgasbunghole
REALLY!? "DO YOU HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT?!"
Oh Right wasn't even talking to you.

[Lazarus]

Okay.....this still bothers the piss out of me: Why was she allowed near the meeeeeeeeedia. I don't think Sheriff Joe and his guards are that stupid....for fuck sake, they had issue with Jodi being in chambers without a guard there. When someone is convicted of a crime, it is typical for them to be cuffed and remanded to the custody of the guards and immediately whisked away. Why did this not happen? Jodi belonged to the prison system, from the moment that sentence was pronounced. Her freedom of speech flew out the window. There is something wrong, here. Why was she allowed to sit and chat with the media before being transferred out? WTF is wrong with this "reporter"......he knew it was wrong. Someone's head is going to roll for this.....the people of AZ should be demanding it.

Media Worlds has the cash, so I bet they paid off a few people to have an exclusive interview with her for the BIG TV RATINGS..

[Key West Digger]

Sneakers- fake boobs probably cost her $3,000. That's the lower end price of the boob scale. I think Martinez accidentally said $300. She probably had them done above the chest muscle, not behind. The surgeries that are behind the muscle are more expensive. (please don't ask me how I know these things!)

Now I want to know. Are there photos involved?

[lorizfree]

I think a big part of Jodi's anger toward Travis is that he had sex with her after they broke up but kept it on the down low.

She talks about that in her original 48 Hours interview, in her attempt to get a plea deal (which interesting to note is that people plead down on charges, not UP, so the fact that she asked for 2nd degree murder says a lot there), and in her interview after the verdict.

I think this is one factor of many that fuels her rage toward Travis. That he was this popular motivational speaker who also happened to be Mormon (which means no sex before marriage), and he clearly put that out as his public persona, all the while getting down and dirty with her behind closed doors, and making it clear he didn't consider wife material, and that he was moving on. I think that enraged her.

If he had been pulling that with a more stable woman, she would have gotten the hint (like the ones the Hughes tried to give Jodi) and walked away.

Jodi had decided that this was the man for her. He had the money, the house, the cars, the social popularity. And she found him sexually attractive. He was her ticket to the good life.

The fact that he didn't want her was the barbeque, and the fact that he kept having sex with her even though he didn't really want her, was the gasoline poured on top of it.

I can understand why that would make her angry. But her problem is that she wasn't smart enough to disentangle herself from this situation. She had to get back at him and punish him for it. She wasn't going to let Travis get away with treating her like trash. She can't see that it was entirely her own choice to serve herself up on a silver platter over and over again. That is 100% on her. She is just enraged that all her efforts to snag her prey didn't work. And so he had to pay the price for that.

And I think now she relishes the fact that no one knows exactly what happened in that bathroom that day. The descriptions made in court probably come close, but only she knows exactly how it went down. And I also think she loves the fact that she had so much power over Travis sexually. She makes the comment in the original 48 Hours episode that no one except she and Travis know what went on behind closed doors. I think this makes her feel like she possesses him in some way. And the fact that she killed him enhances that feeling of possession. And the fact that all these people want to know exactly how she killed him just enhances the feelings of control and ownership that she has.

I think the small grin she made as she walked away at the very end of the interview after her verdict reveals it all - its the duper's delight smile.

Damn, I missed the grin. Anyway, I agree. I think she believed that once she turned Mormon for him, and had 'secret sex' with him, she owned him. This was the man that she was SUPPOSED to spend the rest of her life with. She didn't think anything could change that because it was what "God" wanted. He'd start pulling away, he knew she was whacked, and she would reel him back in with sex. She knew that was the one thing about her that he had no control over. But as time was going on, he became more and more distant emotionally, regardless of the sex. I think she moved back to Yreka to punish him with 'I'm not going to have sex with you again until you realize I'm the woman you're supposed to marry."I don't think she ever gave up thinking they were going to be together forever. Then, the final straw was 5/26/08. Even with all the distance, the fact that Travis was ready to marry someone that wouldn't be her, she still believed she "OWNED" him. The text messages that day seem to have set off something inside her, that he needed to make a choice. He was either going to be her's now, or he was going to be her's afterlife. One thing I know about the Mormons is that they believe in eternal marriage. So if you marry someone as a Mormon, it really is forever in their eyes. At the point she killed him, I truly believe she thought of him as HER possession forever. She probably still does. She's punishing him for making the wrong decision that day. I think she'll do it til the day she dies. She twisted her life with his life forever, in her eyes.

[Wishmich]

I


I can understand why that would make her angry. But her problem is that she wasn't smart enough to disentangle herself from this situation. She had to get back at him and punish him for it. She wasn't going to let Travis get away with treating her like trash. She can't see that it was entirely her own choice to serve herself up on a silver platter over and over again. That is 100% on her. She is just enraged that all her efforts to snag her prey didn't work. And so he had to pay the price for that.

And I think now she relishes the fact that no one knows exactly what happened in that bathroom that day. The descriptions made in court probably come close, but only she knows exactly how it went down. And I also think she loves the fact that she had so much power over Travis sexually. She makes the comment in the original 48 Hours episode that no one except she and Travis know what went on behind closed doors. I think this makes her feel like she possesses him in some way. And the fact that she killed him enhances that feeling of possession. And the fact that all these people want to know exactly how she killed him just enhances the feelings of control and ownership that she has.

I think the small grin she made as she walked away at the very end of the interview after her verdict reveals it all - its the duper's delight smile.

Remember that Travis said that he felt like a dildo with a heartbeat? She claims to be so used and abused, but I will always believe she abused him in so many ways. I think her sex tricks got anyone and anything she wanted before and was enraged that ultimately, she knew it wasn't working for Travis. I think the slap to her ego /HOW DARE ANYONE LEAVE ME/ is more what enraged her.

She also hates Travis so much that it flows over to his family. She will NEVER tell anyone what actually happened only so his family can wonder forever. She'll stick it to them until the day that needle flows the juice through her evil veins.

[Jillee]

I think we can all agree that Jodi is a kookenheimer. :)

[zeebee]

I got my copy autographed! Not really, but it did come in the Arizona Republic, it was an insert called The Times, which must be something new. Why do people hate on KW and not the other juror Stacy, who is just as much of a publicity hound but not quite as photogenic, so doesn't get as much attention? And very stuck up, won't even say hi. The 21 yr. old 'pool boy' is Stacy's nephew that she brings along. I know nothing about KW other than seeing her the 4 times I was there and on Dr. Drew. She was as nice as could be to everyone. Isn't everyone here a true crime junkie in this case, so why hate her for that?

I never cared about her one way or the other until someone linked her facebook and I discovered that she's one of those right wing conservative Christian types who thinks that gays are evil. So fuck her.

[Jillee]

Key West Digger- quote "Now I want to know. Are there photos involved"
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Of Jodi's boobs? Yes! ;)

[Jinkasaurus]

So do we know for sure that Jodi will have to attend the court proceedings on Wednesday?

[PopRocks]

Seeing how jodi acts in court and how shes acting post verdict, I cant even imagine how she acted towards travis when she didnt get what she wanted

[olgasbunghole]

So do we know for sure that Jodi will have to attend the court proceedings on Wednesday?

I'm no legal pro but I'm fairly sure that she does! I hope they don't ban the camera crews because of whatever happened last wed. ........ it's not everyday that we get to observe a specimen of stabby's caliber from a safe distance! not to mention that we're all pretty much emotionally invested in seeing justice for Travis and his loved ones and would like to see his family get to have their say!

[Jinkasaurus]

This is interesting- appears that counsel for JA requested to take DP off the table on Thursday ---

Michael K. Jeanes, Clerk of Court
*** Electronically Filed ***
05/13/2013 8:00 AM
SUPERIOR COURT OF ARIZONA
MARICOPA COUNTY
CR2008-031021-001 DT 05/09/2013
Docket Code 012 Form R012 Page 1
CLERK OF THE COURT
HON. SHERRY K. STEPHENS C. McCain
Deputy
STATE OF ARIZONA JUAN M MARTINEZ
v.
JODI ANN ARIAS (001) KIRK NURMI
JENNIFER L WILLMOTT
CAPITAL CASE MANAGER
TRIAL MINUTE ENTRY
DAY 68
State's Attorney: Juan Martinez
Defendant's Attorney: Kirk Nurmi and Jennifer Willmott
Defendant: Present
Court Reporter: Robin Bobbie
12:47 p.m. Trial to Jury continues from 05/08/2013.
Court convenes in chambers with Counsel for the Defendant only.
Discussion is held.
12:53 p.m. Matter concludes.
1:00 p.m. Court convenes in chambers with Defendant and Counsel for the Defendant
present.
Counsel for the Defendant moves to dismiss the death penalty option.
IT IS ORDERED denying the motion.
1:14 p.m. Matter concludes.
1:16 p.m. Court convenes in chambers with Defendant, Counsel for the Defendant,
Counsel for the State and victim next of kin present.
Discussion is held.
IT IS ORDERED continuing the aggravation phase from this date to 05/15/2013 at 10:00
a.m.
IT IS ORDERED sealing the in chambers hearing not to be transcribed until the
conclusion of the trial.
2:02 p.m. Matter concludes.
This case is eFiling eligible: http://www.clerkofcourt.maricopa.gov...ng/default.asp.
Attorneys are encouraged to review Supreme Court Administrative Order 2011-140 to determine
their mandatory participation in eFiling
http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov...3/m5764131.pdf

[lorizfree]

Remember that Travis said that he felt like a dildo with a heartbeat? She claims to be so used and abused, but I will always believe she abused him in so many ways. I think her sex tricks got anyone and anything she wanted before and was enraged that ultimately, she knew it wasn't working for Travis. I think the slap to her ego /HOW DARE ANYONE LEAVE ME/ is more what enraged her.

She also hates Travis so much that it flows over to his family. She will NEVER tell anyone what actually happened only so his family can wonder forever. She'll stick it to them until the day that needle flows the juice through her evil veins.

There does come a point when you gotta wonder..is she just truly evil or what?

[Wishmich]

This is interesting- appears that counsel for JA requested to take DP off the table on Thursday ---

Michael K. Jeanes, Clerk of Court
*** Electronically Filed ***
05/13/2013 8:00 AM
SUPERIOR COURT OF ARIZONA
MARICOPA COUNTY
CR2008-031021-001 DT 05/09/2013
Docket Code 012 Form R012 Page 1
CLERK OF THE COURT
HON. SHERRY K. STEPHENS C. McCain
Deputy
STATE OF ARIZONA JUAN M MARTINEZ
v.
JODI ANN ARIAS (001) KIRK NURMI
JENNIFER L WILLMOTT
CAPITAL CASE MANAGER
TRIAL MINUTE ENTRY
DAY 68
State's Attorney: Juan Martinez
Defendant's Attorney: Kirk Nurmi and Jennifer Willmott
Defendant: Present
Court Reporter: Robin Bobbie
12:47 p.m. Trial to Jury continues from 05/08/2013.
Court convenes in chambers with Counsel for the Defendant only.
Discussion is held.
12:53 p.m. Matter concludes.
1:00 p.m. Court convenes in chambers with Defendant and Counsel for the Defendant
present.
Counsel for the Defendant moves to dismiss the death penalty option.
IT IS ORDERED denying the motion.
1:14 p.m. Matter concludes.
1:16 p.m. Court convenes in chambers with Defendant, Counsel for the Defendant,
Counsel for the State and victim next of kin present.
Discussion is held.
IT IS ORDERED continuing the aggravation phase from this date to 05/15/2013 at 10:00
a.m.
IT IS ORDERED sealing the in chambers hearing not to be transcribed until the
conclusion of the trial.
2:02 p.m. Matter concludes.
This case is eFiling eligible: http://www.clerkofcourt.maricopa.gov...ng/default.asp.
Attorneys are encouraged to review Supreme Court Administrative Order 2011-140 to determine
their mandatory participation in eFiling
http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov...3/m5764131.pdf

Too late. The bitch should have plead to M1 from the get-go. She rolled the dice and lost...probably for the first time in her miserable stinkin' life.
Nobody can say she has poor counsel. Those poor saps (Nurma and Wilma) have done everything for her.

[lorizfree]

I'm no legal pro but I'm fairly sure that she does! I hope they don't ban the camera crews because of whatever happened last wed. ........ it's not everyday that we get to observe a specimen of stabby's caliber from a safe distance! not to mention that we're all pretty much emotionally invested in seeing justice for Travis and his loved ones and would like to see his family get to have their say!

I would be so pissed if they exclude camera's on Wednesday. This whole trial is just weird to begin with, so I wouldn't be surprised by anything. I would love to watch her grab a pen and try to stab Nurmi though. Not that I want Nurmi hurt, but you gotta admit, that would be quite a show. I can imagine her jumping up on one of the tables, wielding her #2 pencil. Then watching them zap her with her stun belt. I would pay to watch that shit.

[lorizfree]

Too late. The bitch should have plead to M1 from the get-go. She rolled the dice and lost...probably for the first time in her miserable stinkin' life.
Nobody can say she has poor counsel. Those poor saps (Nurma and Wilma) have done everything for her.

Wow, I hadn't seen that. I'm wondering if they filed that, because they knew the post verdict interview was going to be shown to the jury. It's good to know that some of these 'secret' meetings in chambers are going to open after the trial's over.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Sneakers- fake boobs probably cost her $3,000. That's the lower end price of the boob scale. I think Martinez accidentally said $300. She probably had them done above the chest muscle, not behind. The surgeries that are behind the muscle are more expensive. (please don't ask me how I know these things!)

I was talking about Katie Wick's boob job

Key West Digger- quote "Now I want to know. Are there photos involved"
----------
Of Jodi's boobs? Yes! ;)

Boobs and more

So do we know for sure that Jodi will have to attend the court proceedings on Wednesday?

So far it seems that way.

[M Joy]

This is interesting- appears that counsel for JA requested to take DP off the table


.
Counsel for the Defendant moves to dismiss the death penalty option.
IT IS ORDERED denying the motion.

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov...3/m5764131.pdf

Interesting. Thanks for posting. I wonder why they could not have had this in open court?
Maybe because the night before, Jodi said she would rather have the death penalty?!

[twisted-texan]

Slamming Travis and his family, seems to have been a previously planned strike. I bet she's been fuming ever since her plea deal was denied. She's been waiting for the day to bask in the "I'm going to tell everyone what a piece of shit Travis was, if you don't give me my plea deal" glory. The jury, Juan, and the Alexanders completely ruined everything, when she got 1st degree. She knew that if the got 2nd or less, her blackmail attempts would have been a win for her. She was quite obviously pissed off that she got 1st degree, and wanted to stick it to Travis and the Alexanders one last time. The question I have is if this was all plotted out, did she think about the possible consequences to her case, when that interview is played back to the jury?

I think her ego and self got into the way of her thinking that there would be consequences for doing that interview. She also seems to think that she is much smarter than everyone else. Look at how she lied during her testimony, as if no one could see that obvious blatant lies she was spewing!