Quote Originally Posted by alyoop View Post
I mean really, was the SEX that good?

He couldn't find ANYONE else on earth to have sex with?

I mean what would make a seemingly sane man who thinks this woman is slashing his tires, hacking his accounts, harassing him... what would make him LET her in his house???
Anal sex, kinky sex, 3 hole wonder sex, freaky sex, etc.....Not all women are in to that thing. Jodi was. Opportunity was standing right there in Travis' face.

Quote Originally Posted by coconut View Post
If the jury returns a verdict of less than first degree murder, what reasons might they give for their decision? Is there anything from the trial that makes you doubt premeditated murder?

This is the place to discuss. Please keep the discussion on-topic.

Here are some examples of what is not welcome:
  1. It WAS premeditateed murder!
  2. I hate Jodi, she's a killer!
  3. Nurmi is fat and a liar!
  4. Juan DID prove premeditated murder!
  5. I am going to DISPROVE these doubts for you!


If you can't follow those guidelines, kindly GTFO. So, I'll get this party started.

Martinez focused so blindly on the gas cans and the long term planning, he ignored how premeditation could have been formed in the few minutes before the murder, in Jodi's scenario. During Jodi's testimony, she talked about going in the closet, and literally having a moment to decide/reflect on what to do next. She went for the gun. To me that sounds like a conscious choice to escalate to deadly force, but Martinez did not single this out for special attention.

With the "credibility" Jodi's frenzied scenario gained with each retelling, and Nurmi's closing arguments about "snapping", and Juan's missed opportunity, some doubt is cast on premeditation.
I'll take a shot at it.

Blonde hair/Brown hair. The state never proved that. The defense did a good job of showing pictures that showed Jodi had "darker" hair before the murder. Plus, the state never bought the hair dresser on that dyed Jodi's hair, and they never showed receipts or video of Jodi buying hair dye.

The gas cans and telling Darryl she was going to Mesa. Yeah, I don't think she would tell anybody she was going to Mesa if she planned on hiding her trip through AZ. I also think she wouldn't have borrowed gas cans. If she was planning it, she could have just bought 3 of her own. Plus, the state never proved what in the hell happened to the third gas can afterwards.

The gun burglary- the state can NOT prove Jodi committed it.

The state can not prove that Jodi was NOT tied up on Travis' bed that day. Just like they can't prove there was no rope involved.

Those stupid floor mats- that should have never been allowed in. There was NO proof that there were missing floor mats (and the check in sheet doesn't note that there are missing floor mats), and the state/defense never showed what the kool aid stains were. The state bought it up, and the defense never challenged it at all. Plus, why would anybody that was planning a murder, throw bloody stuff on the floor of their car?

Priceline- didn't do much for me. She could have used Priceline to find the cheapest place for a car, but rented the car directly from budget after finding the cheapest one to rent from. I've done something similar before. I searched Priceline for an airline ticket, it showed me the cheapest fare and airline-then I called the airline direct and told them what priceline would charge. The airline offered it $30 cheaper than Priceline. Sometimes searching and comparing can save money.

Cancun- state didn't prove Jodi was pissed about Cancun. They bought it up, then it fizzled from there. There was nobody bought on that said Jodi was suppose to go to Cancun.

It seems silly that Jodi would move from Mesa back to Yreka if she was obsessed with Travis. Also, I haven't read one word exchange between Jodi and Travis that proved Jodi was mean or called Travis names.

The receipts on a murder trip- even a simple person knows not to keep any receipts when you are going to kill somebody. If she were planning murder, why not just withdraw cash or cash a check?

Those are just some of my thoughts.

Don't kill me coconut....but on the flip side of all the above....I could also state why I think she did premeditate.