Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[TeamRenew]

hmmm
I thought she went to Travis' house one day in January to help him put the Christmas decorations into the attic, and she showed up there and "discovered" him doing the deed. I didn't realize she concocted a story of where the photos actually were.

I got the sense that the defense was insinuating without stating so outright that Travis had the non-existent pictures of kiddies stored/hidden in a box either in/near the attic and/or among the upper shelves of Travis' closet.

Just a bullshit tale, as was Arias' lie about Teavis giving her a porcelain angel that she'd left at his house and turned around to go retrieve so Travis wouldn't be all pissed out about how inconsiderate she is, which led to her walking in on him beating his meat to an image of a little boy.

Arias is a sick puppy to even conjure that story up.

[wasthinking]

Hum, Travis' parents were never mentioned in his obit.

James Sarvery








1978 Pamela, Gary, Travis




Published - Press-Enterprise, July 31, 1997

Lake Elsinore

Gary Alexander Services for Gary David Alexander , 48, will be at 10 a.m. Friday at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Riverside. He died Monday of injuries sustained in a motorcycle accident in Corona.

Friends may call from 4 until 8 p.m. today at Rubidoux Jurupa Valley Mortuary.

Burial will be in Olivewood Cemetery in Riverside.

Mr. Alexander , who was born in Salt Lake City, lived in Lake Elsinore for nine months. He previously lived in Rubidoux for 47 years. He was a foreman for Cooley Mechanical in Corona for two years. He previously worked at Colton Cement Company and 3M in Corona.

He attended West Riverside Elementary School, University Heights Middle School and graduated from Rubidoux High School in 1966. Mr. Alexander was a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, past member of the Millright's Union and the American Motorcycle Association.

He is survived by three daughters, Tanisha, Samantha and Hillary, all of Rubidoux; four sons, Gary Jr. and Greg, both of Glen Avon, and Travis and Steven, both of Riverside; his mother and step-father, Norma and James Sarvey of Rubidoux and his father, John of Mira Loma; and a brother, Mike Alexander of Murray, Utah.

[Brillig]

@ Brilling "Nurmi had an hilarious one too, but I can't recall now what it was." Would that be "conversate"?

Yes!! That was it. There were some other minor ones, but that was the over the top hilarious one.

Burt n Ernie but he talks and moves more like Snuffleupagus!

I do see what you mean.

I just listed what I thought the defense will try... not that it was valid or will work.

My opinion is the sentence will be LWOP and that is based on one or two jurors gumming up the works and that will be the compromise. I personally would be happy with that but I'm not big on the DP in general. (I have said before, if the family calls for the DP, and they have, and that's the verdict I would not be bothered by that either... the family's wishes come 1st.)

I'm not usually a DP fan either, but I honestly think this case calls for it.

If people would stop sermonizing on how/what they think other people should post it would be a lovely thing.

If you don't like what you are reading then STOP reading it

AMEN.

(To the sermonizers: insert snarky comments here criticizing my agreement with this point of view)

Exactly, Sneakers! I guess nomatter where you're at, there are people who want control and think everything should be done as they would do it, but we humans are not like that and that's what make us so interesting.

Excellent point, Deanna.

Duh! or we could all put up some pirated super hunky avatars. if he had up say a dog pic I don't think he would get the 'rises' he gets from the ladies.

I thought I remembered coconut having a different avatar when I first arrived? A picture of a coconut, perhaps? Or maybe it was a monkey? Then he switched to the Ron Jeremy avatar part way through the trial.

I can't speak for the other ladies, but my affection for coconut has nothing to do with his avatar. He is funny and smart and does not take himself too seriously. He reminds us there is another point of view, and he is great at banter.

If you disagree with coconut, he does not endlessly harass you to try and force you to agree that he is right. He does not get hateful and snarky when people disagree with him either, and he does not mock or belittle other posters for their opinion, he just states what his opinion is.

I missed what the items, or lack thereof, in the attic meant. Can you explain, please?

The items in the attic are the foundation of the pedophilia claim by Jodi.

Jodi said she was at Travis' house helping him store his boxes of Christmas decorations in the attic in January 2008. Travis gave her an angel ornament as a keepsake. Jodi forgot the angel ornament when she left that day, so turned around after a couple minutes driving to go back and get it. When she walked into Travis' bedroom to fetch the ornament, that was when she claims she caught Travis whacking off to pictures of little boys. Which is why he started abusing her with violence. Which led to her fear of him. Which is why she had to kill him on June 4th.

Sooooo........ if there was NOTHING in the attic, then it shows the whole story was made up.

No stuff stored in attic = no angel ornament.
No angel ornament = no catching Travis in pedo moment.
No pedo moment = no reason for Travis to start abusing Jodi for 'knowing his secret'.
No abuse = no reason for Jodi to fear Travis.
No reason for fear = no Battered Woman's Syndrome.
No BWS = no valid self defense claim.

[dianalyn]

@monicalindstrom 6m

7 of the 15 jurors have their chins in their hands...wonder what this means in body language terms?

http://www.indiabix.com/body-languag...face-gestures/

[wasthinking]

so far I can confirm that Norma and James Sarvey were still together in 1993 living in Sandy Utah. (just relocated from Riverside Cal) Travis was 16 yo.

WT: Wiki and everywhere states that Travis was taken in by Norma when his father died. NOT TRUE, Travis was 20yo in 1997 when his father died. The more likely scenario is Norma took the kids in when their father divorced the mother and remarried in Aug of 1984. Travis was 7 or 8 at that time.

thanks again dizzy! So of course, it is more Nurmi BS, geesh. Still leaves the question though, why in the hell did JM let that ride though without clearing it up ????????
I knew the wiki thing long ago was wrong, but someone took the parents out competely from his story there. I found all the other stuff on findagrave.com. Gosh, I don't know how I missed before his mom was only 51 when she passed. Utah is where Norma's other son lives I believe.

[Mochachino]

holy shitbuckets, 20 minutes into 14th vid, she actually says the word MAFIA... w.o.w. she is really OUT there.

Isn't she acting like a child? a lying child they are trying to PULL information out of but she is just being stubborn. Reminds me of when I taught kindergarten. Gheez. Such a bitch waisting all of their time.

[lorizfree]

If people would stop sermonizing on how/what they think other people should post it would be a lovely thing.

If you don't like what you are reading then STOP reading it

Straight up Sneakers!!!

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

The items in the attic are the foundation of the pedophilia claim by Jodi.

Jodi said she was at Travis' house helping him store his boxes of Christmas decorations in the attic in January 2008. Travis gave her an angel ornament as a keepsake. Jodi forgot the angel ornament when she left that day, so turned around after a couple minutes driving to go back and get it. When she walked into Travis' bedroom to fetch the ornament, that was when she claims she caught Travis whacking off to pictures of little boys. Which is why he started abusing her with violence. Which led to her fear of him. Which is why she had to kill him on June 4th.

Sooooo........ if there was NOTHING in the attic, then it shows the whole story was made up.

No stuff stored in attic = no angel ornament.
No angel ornament = no catching Travis in pedo moment.
No pedo moment = no reason for Travis to start abusing Jodi for 'knowing his secret'.
No abuse = no reason for Jodi to fear Travis.
No reason for fear = no Battered Woman's Syndrome.
No BWS = no valid self defense claim.

She also claimed her called her repeatedly to apologize/explain etc but his phone records, which Juan Martinez confronted her her with, do not back up her claims.

Jeff Gold makes a good point about her big grin for Nurmi's 9/10 days comment.

[Jinkasaurus]

Jodi and OJ Simpson have same birthday.

Same as Courtney Love.

[dizzyp]

Hum, Travis' parents were never mentioned in his obit.

James Sarvery

snipped it... but great work!

[wasthinking]

She also claimed her called her repeatedly to apologize/explain etc but his phone records, which Juan Martinez confronted her her with, do not back up her claims.

Jeff Gold makes a good point about her big grin for Nurmi's 9/10 days comment.

thanks, I like that guy, interesting take on the smile. Unusually good sounding atty compared to the screamers HLN has.

The phones! she tried to twist it into land lines, JM busted her there too, she didn't have one. She's got more stories just busting to get out. I'll give her that much, she comes up with them on the fly without so much as blinking. Too bad that doesn't work when you are under a murder one microscope. I was in Arizona. Don't like that one, okay I was there, the ninjas did it. Don't like that, ok, I did it. It was self defense. Don't like that, it was a crime of passion.

I thought JM did an great job on knocking down the passion theory.

[tinaturner]

I'm really glad a juror asked the question about the attic because it completely debunks the whole pedo incident- which was already poorly constructed. My favourite parts of that story was when the picture of the little boy floats off the bed and falls (in that choatic way that paper does) to her feet and also the part where she waits to drive all the way home before getting sick.

[Mochachino]

I think it's very sweet Travis was burried next to his grandmother, matching stones. Thanks for finding this!

I think she stabbed him as he was trying to get up and out. That shower was tiny. He would have had to crawl out, or grasp something and try to stand. Then, she stabbed his chest. He was not focused on her, but trying to rise up. Why she had him sit. Like JM said - he was vulnerable.

I guess I always wondered 'why' Travis would sit in the shower? They were supposed to be waist-up up shots. It would just gross me out, not matter how clean my shower was, to sit down in it. I always thought this photo was the first shot after the attack - especially since you don't see his face, it's not centered..etc. Thought by this time he was either stabbed/or/shot and the clock had started.

[wasthinking]

snipped it... but great work!

The credit is yours dizzy!
I was curious about the angle of Nurmi, but you gave me the info! I only jumped off from you good works, and w that I found that grave place. You might be interested in this geneology listing, it includes stuff back to his great grands. http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.c...232.htm#121512

[dizzyp]

The credit is yours dizzy!
I was curious about the angle of Nurmi, but you gave me the info! I only jumped off from you good works, and w that I found that grave place. You might be interested in this geneology listing, it includes stuff back to his great grands. http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.c...232.htm#121512

thanks.. there are few inaccuracies there but it confirms that Travis had 1/2 siblings. (which I wasn't sure of)

[lorizfree]

I think she stabbed him as he was trying to get up and out. That shower was tiny. He would have had to crawl out, or grasp something and try to stand. Then, she stabbed his chest. He was not focused on her, but trying to rise up. Why she had him sit. Like JM said - he was vulnerable.

That's definitely a possibility. I would think that Travis would have a hard time getting up, especially in such a small shower, way he was sitting, and being wet and slippery. How ridiculous for Jodi to say that he got right up and body slammed her. For someone who is supposed to have an above normal IQ, she sure is a dumb ass. She makes up the most ridiculous stories. And she's the most stubborn liar I've ever seen. In the face of all conclusive facts, she will not back down. She has zero common sense.

[lorizfree]

I do see what you mean.

I just listed what I thought the defense will try... not that it was valid or will work.

My opinion is the sentence will be LWOP and that is based on one or two jurors gumming up the works and that will be the compromise. I personally would be happy with that but I'm not big on the DP in general. (I have said before, if the family calls for the DP, and they have, and that's the verdict I would not be bothered by that either... the family's wishes come 1st.)

I just want her to be TREATED as though she's on death row for as many years possible. As long as she ultimately gets LWOP, I really don't care. But I want her to sit alone, with little human contact, sitting in her cell, with only the memories of why she's there, haunting her for the rest of her life. I don't think she would suffer enough in a normal prison. Give her death, and let the appeals system work out the rest.

[lorizfree]

I can confirm her age and her full birth name is Tanisha Joy Alexander--

I need to find her time of birth, so I can do a natal chart.

[AgathaAppleswine]

Well now I'm really confused. The argument for that bullet taking a path through, or even just slightly into the brain, makes perfect sense if there are TWO holes. None at all if there's one. There was no travelling through anything if there's only a single point of penetration. It would indeed be magical if it penetrated the,skull, continued into the brain, deflected off "something" then turned around& exited the brain perfectly through it's own entry wound. Are there two skull perforations?

No. The ME states that the bullet entered the skull, and traveled in a diagonal through the facial tissues until it lodged in his jaw. The bullet never exited Travis's body. I don't know what the basis for your analysis is, but no one here has even suggested that the bullet exited Travis's body.

If not, Crickets did not deserve the serving of shit that was dished out over this. Wouldn't it be more like say, a ball hits a glass window, in some cases the ball smashes right through & continues it's path of damage inside the room. In other cases, the ball wasn't thrown with enough force, or the glass was thicker, so while the window was badly damaged & there's obvious dents/fracturing, the ball was deflected without smashing it's way through into the room - & so far that is what this report sounds like.

No it doesn't. It clearly says the bullet entered Travis's skull. This is fact. The bullet lodged in Travis's cheek. This is fact. The only thing that is not fact is the exact pathway the bullet took. It's impossible to know, because Travis's brain was too decomposed.

This does not change the fact that the bullet entered Travis's skull and went through his face. The bullet is visible in the x-ray. There is only one external bullet injury. There is no exit wound.

For your theory of the ball only damaging the window, the bullet would have lodged in the skull bone or been found outside the body -- and that is not what happened. Even if the ME made a written mistake, there is no way to override what was found on the x-ray. A single bullet entry wound, and the bullet resting in Travis's jaw.

If the ball was thrown with enough force, it could continue it's path through the room & smash through a 2nd window on the opposite side. It could even bounce off a wall & smash a 2nd hole very NEAR the original point of entry. But what it could never do (or to use something I've heard here a few times, what is so unlikely as to be an unreasonable suggestion) is smash through a window into a room, hit "something" in the room, & then deflect & exit perfectly, right back out through the same hole it smashed on it's way in. THAT idea is the laughable one.

You're correct about the idea that the scenario is laughable. I have not seen it suggested, but I would have pointed out the flaw in that theory immediately, because it's not logical.

All jokes aside, Crickets came in for some pretty heavy fire over this, but if there's only one area of perforation on that skull, like it or not people she's right. & many of you have just contributed to an earlier discussion - is forensic evidence as open to interpretation as psych testimony? Answer : Yep.

That is true to a certain extent. But there are certain facts that can't be argued -- mainly that the bullet is inside Travis's face. Not inside his skull, but inside his face. If you have an alternate theory on how the bullet got there without it breaking through the skull, I would love to hear it. I don't think it's possible.

ETA for anyone worried I'm going to argue & argue, &I know there's at least one person groaning, don't worry, I'm happy to have just the one post up to support Crickets idea & stand against the 50million denouncing it. As long as there's one, that's all that matters.

Good for you. Cricket is entitled to their opinion. But people can and will disagree with Cricket -- or anyone! -- especially if the argument is truly proven to be incorrect. We all take our lumps from time to time. It's not fun, but there's nothing to be done but dust yourself off and find something else to debate.

[wasthinking]

thanks.. there are few inaccuracies there but it confirms that Travis had 1/2 siblings.

You are the expert there, glad if it helps in anyway. I got my question answered in my mind now, thanks to you.


Sneakers has me hooked on this Jeff Gold guy! He's pretty impressive. Coconut would even like him :) He seems to be on HLN with a different host that is even better than usual screamers. I wish I knew what 3 things he is referring to.

https://twitter.com/jeffgoldesq

Jeffrey Evan Gold‏@jeffgoldesq24m
@fuzzyfurryfeet there have been three juros times juror questions saved juan, this was the most obvious

[Mochachino]

now you too. This is getting comical.

Here's something I didn't know, Tanisha bio... she has 4 kids! and it states she is 33 and a grandma? Wonder if this site got that wrong.
there's a pic I've never seen before too. If you scroll down, its on the left bottom of the double row.

http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/br...anders-sister/

Sorry guys, piecing it all together. Tanisha has been married 3yrs and has 4 kids? or was she married before?

[Estefaniia]

Why does Tanisha's private life matter? :s

[*crickets*]

Originally Posted by *crickets*
And I noticed Mr. Martinez backed right off the whole subject today...not one mention of 'frontal lobe' or 'immediate incapacitation' anywhere to be found, was there?

Originally Posted by Brillig
Because he is saving it for his final argument. To counter the defense bringing it up. Wait and see.

Originally Posted by *crickets*
Wanna bet?

I apologize for fucking that up earlier. Crickets, I'll bet that JM will go over it if the D team does! I believe JM has planned to bring that up in his final argument purposefully, knowing he can tailor his response to whichever lie the defense chooses.

Yay TMY for putting this whole conversation in one bubble for me. Between my tablet & the quote weirdness & site problems it was all too much for me. So ..did he? Or didn't he?

Well, no, he didn't. Not a peep about frontal lobe injury, 'immediate incapacitation', nothing whatsoever on the subject by the Prosecutor, since the fabulous Dr. Horne was outed on the stand about the dura being intact in his report, courtesy of Dr. Geffner. The silence was deafening. And this silence speaks volumes.

[sheesh]

I think his point was she did not use bleach, which meant she did not destroy the camera! Idiotic reasoning, if you ask me. Putting a camera in a washing mating, with or without bleach, indicates to me an attempt at destroying evidence.

Personally I think she was somehow startled and, after spending a good amount of time at the crime scene, decided she needed to skedaddle(vamoose) her butt out of there a.s.a.p.

I think she bundled up the towel she used to drag his body back to the shower (after wetting the floor) into the sheets along with Travis' clothes. What she missed was the camera got bundled along with rest.

She may have searched around frantically for that, but afraid of getting caught and time pressure mounting she never thought about the laundry room.

The bleach was for the DNA -- it's been on every crime scene t.v. show for years.

[Mochachino]

Why does Tanisha's private life matter? :s

We were talking about geneology. That's all. And ppl had some great photos and videos of the family. She's an amazing woman.