Originally Posted by dizzyp
I'm with you. She got him in the most relaxed state. After sex, hot shower. THE most vulnerable position. A naked unarmed man, unable to defend himself. It probably happened so fast that Travis didn't know what was happening. We can only hope that he went into shock immediately and didn't feel the pain of every stab.
grrrrrrr dbl post
Jodi is such a nutcase, watching this trial is a great example why travis didnt want to marry her and was trying to get away from her
"Were you crying when you were stabbing him? How about when you cut his throat, were you crying then?"
"The difference between a Stumbling Block and Stepping Stone is the Character of the individual walking the path"
I don't know why they keep billing that as a phone sex tape. They both sounded like a couple of school kids trying to act grown up. There was nothing arousing about that call at all. They discussed sexual things is about all. Travis sounded bored the whole time.
I think Jodi premeditated the phone call also. I would guess she told him what she wanted him to say to her.
Example: He talked about zip tying her to a tree while it was filmed, er ah ah, taking pictures while I stick.....etc. Taking pictures was her thing, not so much his. He knew she would like to hear that.
Anyway......Hey Coconut......as the board sex-tition.......how many times was the word anul mentioned during the trial?
I have read a lot of interesting and probably very close scenarios for how the killing went down. But there's one thing I have never seen adequately fit into the sequence of events.
When did the multiple stab wounds to the stomach happen?
Travis would have to be standing or laying on his back, and not defending his stomach (maybe hands on head?).
Everytime I hear one of the HLNers say Kurt Nurmi ---- it sounds like they are saying Burt N Ernie to me. anyone else? Or is it just me? LOL
@Metis.....was that you who posted your interpretation on the sequence of events earlier today? I can't find it right now, but just wanted to say that was probably just the way it went. Thank you for that.
Hope Jodi has some sleepless nights, she has more than earned them!
I think the wait for a verdict is more nerve wracking than actually going through the trial. I've not been able to watch since mid April, as I've been in a long term sub position (don't they know working messes with my trial time??), but I've been reading along here to see what's going on. Thanks for keeping us all informed and entertained, y'all!
This is a very good point. We've all discussed about the gun shot, the stab wounds to the back and the slit to the throat but I don't recall ever seeing a discussion of the stab wounds to the chest and stomach. I'ma have to think about that one.
"so he ejaculated on your face and threw you some candy?"
My lovely, love and I were discussing this after my post, and he was telling me about the funeral bell origin, and that in general, even in our recent history (i.e, WWII) church bells (single repetitive tolls) are not good news! Also the reference in the poem can be attributed to mortality and inevitability! Ask not, cos yer numbers gonna be up someday, so to speak. If it was in reference to Jodi, is that Juan's way of asking them to find in favor of the Death Penalty? I don't know? That is what the State is seeking! In any case, it could most certainly be a call to hold her accountable for her actions: 'Bell tolls for thee'! (M1)Good explanation, Poppym.
My impression is that the "bell tolls" portion is referring to funeral bells. In Donne's time, they rang the church bells in a certain way to indicate someone had died. Since there was no TV or daily newspapers delivered to homes, the church bells were sort of a public announcement system. They announced someone had died, but not who had died. So people hearing the bells might be curious and 'send' a servant to the church to find out who had died.
I think Juan was intending that the 'funeral bell' reference should apply to Jodi. Telling the jury that if they get it right, the bell will be tolling for Jodi.
I never considered that his legs were crossed in this photograph. I thought that we were looking at his right ankle joint at the bottom of his right shin? Now it's hard to tell because most of the knee is obscured. I agree that it would kinda yoga-ish for him to be able to cross his legs in that small space.1. and no one knows if that one particular juror is in the final 12
2. first his legs are not crossed as some have said... they're just tightly tucked at a severe angle... what's seen in that photo is his right calf pressed against the upper part of his right leg. His arms are actually casually draped or resting over his bent knees. It's a shower stall his knees are probably pushed against the wall of the shower thus the "crouch" position. I agree Brillig, IMO this photo preceeds any injury.
He could be under duress/threat... that's possible...
I've always thought that JA was preparing her attack here in some way, hence the bad shot. This was brought home to me when she was on the stand being crossed by Juan. She was indignant, and arrogant in her response as to whether or not this was an intentional shot or not. She said, "It was CERTAINLY NOT intentional! Don't you know my real name is Annie Leibovitz-Einstein!" (Okay, I added the last bit)
But the shot is not out of focus. All she has really done, in comparison to the preceding photos, has cut his head off [unfortunate term]! Which is why I think she may have still been saying "Yeah Trav! Show that sexy Calvin pout! That's it! A little to the left! Yeah Baby!", while preparing the knife, in whatever manner (from backpack, knickers, who knows).
I checked out a while back, is there a verdict time/charge pool? If there is I say 28hrs, M1.
I never thought his legs were crossed either. That shower stall is not very big, which was part of Jodi's plan. It would be hard enough to leap up from a naked, wet and seated position in the first place. When you add in that he is crammed into a very small space, seated, with his knees to his chest, it would make it almost impossible to get up quickly. It makes him completely vulnerable.
2. first his legs are not crossed as some have said... they're just tightly tucked at a severe angle... what's seen in that photo is his right calf pressed against the upper part of his right leg. His arms are actually casually draped or resting over his bent knees. It's a shower stall his knees are probably pushed against the wall of the shower thus the "crouch" position. I agree Brillig, IMO this photo preceeds any injury.
If anyone doubts it, go get wet, naked and seated in a shower of that size and see how easy or difficult it is to get back to your feet. There is no traction, there is nothing to grab to haul yourself up, and it is hard to even maneuver in such a tiny space.
Now that's a yummy image. Woof.
Doubtful, unless there are any pro-Jodi jurors and the majority need to show them the error of their ways.
I noticed that too. I think the high verbal acuity and glibness make her appear brighter than she is.
We know you would love that. You are probably the only person on the planet who is not sick to death of the 'sex tape'.
She won't. She just isn't wired that way.
Your lovely love sounds delightful. A history buff! Woot! My interpretation was that it was Juan asking them to find in favor of the death penalty, but obviously I can't know for sure. I think all the interpretations are valid.My lovely, love and I were discussing this after my post, and he was telling me about the funeral bell origin, and that in general, even in our recent history (i.e, WWII) church bells (single repetitive tolls) are not good news! Also the reference in the poem can be attributed to mortality and inevitability! Ask not, cos yer numbers gonna be up someday, so to speak. If it was in reference to Jodi, is that Juan's way of asking them to find in favor of the Death Penalty? I don't know? That is what the State is seeking! In any case, it could most certainly be a call to hold her accountable for her actions: 'Bell tolls for thee'! (M1)
This is my take on it as well. Jodi was preparing the attack, getting him in just the right position to make him the most vulnerable. And I do think Jodi was directing him in a photo shoot manner. I also think that explains why those last two shots used the flash (when the others had not). It was to temporarily blind him so that it would be harder for him to see her coming.I've always thought that JA was preparing her attack here in some way, hence the bad shot. This was brought home to me when she was on the stand being crossed by Juan. She was indignant, and arrogant in her response as to whether or not this was an intentional shot or not. She said, "It was CERTAINLY NOT intentional! Don't you know my real name is Annie Leibovitz-Einstein!" (Okay, I added the last bit)
But the shot is not out of focus. All she has really done, in comparison to the preceding photos, has cut his head off [unfortunate term]! Which is why I think she may have still been saying "Yeah Trav! Show that sexy Calvin pout! That's it! A little to the left! Yeah Baby!", while preparing the knife, in whatever manner (from backpack, knickers, who knows).
Were you crying when you were stabbing him? --SuperJuan Martinez
Nobody believes a word out of your mouth. Why do you keep talking? -- ABC Interviewer to JA
Admit it, you have fantasies about Dr Horny squeezing into in a pair of assless leather chaps and having your (coco)nuts cupped in his hands as he asks you to cough and then gloving up to check your prostate.
It could be possible that she asked him, while he was sitting, to reach up to turn off the water and then once hos arm(s) were raised she reached in and administered the vena cava wound. As he was trying to get out of the shower she stabs in the torso again and again, he tries to grab the knife and get's the defensive wounds on his hands. He goes to the sink and she stabs in the back and head and then pursues him down the hallway, inflicting the wounds on feet/legs and then the final throat wound. Shoots him after dragging him back to the bathroom because perhaps she heard air escaping from his lungs through the throat wounds and then shoots him the right temple.
I still can't believe Nurmi got the location of the gunshot wrong in his closing - he said left temple !
The Court PIO (public information office) will announce it. The family of the victim has the right to be present and I guarantee you that reports/media types will living either in the court room or in the hallway right outside. If the jury's questions are approved by the Judge then they will be asked and answered in open court. Any testimony read backs will be done in open court. JMO, it will be live streamed/televised.
As someone (sorry, I forget who, it was pages ago) said she only THINKS she's smart.
Her reading level is at a 12th grade level. You can have a high IQ and good verbal skills but still not be "smart" if you know what I mean.
She only got her GED once she was in jail, in her Mom's interview tape she mentioned how Stabby was always on her to improve her education etc. I wonder if Stabby told her some lies about getting some higher education?
She was trying to shame her Mother. Speaks of how much she dislikes her.
I, for one, have learned a lot of new words over the trial and would like to create a Jodi Trial Dictionary for some of these new words.
I will start:
debasing
edify (de or disedify)
hippocamopus
continuum
Please your new vocabulary words for me. Thank you.
I can't force myself to rewatch her testimony. I watched all 18 interrogation tapes and I'm never getting that time back
When she said TA passing away was an anomaly I wasn't sure whether to laugh or cry. She's sooo ridiculous
@Jodiannarias 2h
9 days out of 10... that sounds about right.
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I think you guys have a higher IQ than JA, the DT and all the defense witnesses added together! I think you have the bathroom scene figured out. Now if the jury will do the same we can rejoice in harmony
no, she said she returned it on Friday.
"The difference between theory and reality is this: In theory, there is no difference between the two. In reality, there is."
If you lay down with dogs, you should't be surprised when you wind up with fleAs.
Illegitimi non carborundum!
I must say, with the journey of presenting the evidence completed,
and now waiting for the outcome of all the hard work put in on behalf of his survivors...
the feeling of sadness I have for the loss of Travis' future weighs heavier on my heart.
Most people seem to think that Jodi knew Nurmi was going to say that, and she was prepared to laugh. That may be true, but I saw it differently... I saw Jodi's laughter as an unguarded response of surprise and embarrassment. I have no doubt that comment bothered her a lot the more she thought about it. I assume she was fuming by nightfall.I find it strange that the defense team has harped on Travis being so mean to Jodi. "Character assassination", etc. Yet her own attorney says that he doesn't even like her 9 days out of 10?! And then she laughs?!?!?! So she likes it? Or she doesn't? I don't get it. I would think it would have been even MORE devastating for her to hear that from the man who's trying to save her life...So bizarre.
When Nurmi said he didn't like JA too bad she didn't stab him with her crayon .......
his legs aren't crossed..it look like they are but that is his calf of the same leg. it is an optical illusion.
If you lay down with dogs, you should't be surprised when you wind up with fleAs.
don't forget "sucCAME"! she thought this was the past tense of succumb. lmao!I, for one, have learned a lot of new words over the trial and would like to create a Jodi Trial Dictionary for some of these new words.
I will start:
debasing
edify (de or disedify)
hippocamopus
continuum
Please your new vocabulary words for me. Thank you.
If you lay down with dogs, you should't be surprised when you wind up with fleAs.
From her twitter account:
@Jodiannarias 2h
9 days out of 10... that sounds about right.
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I agree. Because if this jury comes back with anything lesson than murder 1 premeditated, then she has successfully butchered his reputation as well.I must say, with the journey of presenting the evidence completed,
and now waiting for the outcome of all the hard work put in on behalf of his survivors...
the feeling of sadness I have for the loss of Travis' future weighs heavier on my heart.
I hope you're right... it would be good to see what the jury is focusing on to get a read on where they're headed. The whole process is compelling to me.
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