Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

I understand she'll go to death row if the decision is DP. My question relates to 1st degree, that's the jury's 1st decision. There's another phase deciding their recommendation for LWOP or DP. Does she remain in jail until the second decision is made or go to prison immediately after a 1st degree decision is made?

If she gets LWOP or a lesser conviction she will be sentenced within 30 to 90 days. She will remain in county jail until then.

[Tia111]

What I find strange is how well she covered her ass on some things and then others she screwed up so horribly. Like leaving the camera behind. If I had been her, the remaining bullets in granpa's gun would have been fired into the camera and that Helio phone. I do wonder how she got rid of the gas cans, they are big and even throwing them away would have been weird. Maybe she burned/melted them. Earlier as I watched the opening arguments. I found it weird that when Jenn talked about the missionaries visiting Jodi once a week, she says"they started at the end of Sept and all the way thru Oct.
She says that as if that is a REALLY long amount of time. In reality that means in the course of about 5 weeks Jodi decides to become a Mormon! That is an incredibly SHORT amount of time to change religions! Kind of like they like to make it sound as if she and Travis were a couple for years when it was only a few months they didnt even last long enough for her to have a legitimate reason to move. Of course she had the friends with benefits status for awhile but that was really it!

[Tia111]

Cant wait to see what kind of gifts Dr. Geffner sent her....

[Tia111]

What I find strange is how well she covered her ass on some things and then others she screwed up so horribly. Like leaving the camera behind. If I had been her, the remaining bullets in granpa's gun would have been fired into the camera and that Helio phone. I do wonder how she got rid of the gas cans, they are big and even throwing them away would have been weird. Maybe she burned/melted them. Earlier as I watched the opening arguments. I found it weird that when Jenn talked about the missionaries visiting Jodi once a week, she says"they started at the end of Sept and all the way thru Oct.
She says that as if that is a REALLY long amount of time. In reality that means in the course of about 5 weeks Jodi decides to become a Mormon! That is an incredibly SHORT amount of time to change religions! Kind of like they like to make it sound as if she and Travis were a couple for years when it was only a few months they didnt even last long enough for her to have a legitimate reason to move. Of course she had the friends with benefits status for awhile but that was really it!

**should have said opening statements

[Mayhem]

The reason I think she should get the DP is the throat slashing. If she shot him first, which I don't think she did, and the gun jammed, then I could see her getting a knife and stabbing him in a panic. If she stabbed him first and he wasn't dying fast enough, then I could see her panicking and shooting him. But, the throat slashing is beyond panic. She's no different than OJ. They both think they are special and nobody dare leave them and be happy with someone else. The throat was the "how dare you, bitch". Neither OJ nor Jodi show any remorse or sadness over it. I think they both believe their victims had it coming to them. If Mimi King had showed up, she would have been the Ron Goldman in the scenario.

bbm -- I agree. I'll take it one step further and suggest that dragging the body back to the shower is PROOF that it was NOT self-defense. And that's what she's claiming, self-defense. Not "I got pissed and snapped", but pure self-defense. And people in fight or flight situations that truly overkill to stop from being "attacked" don't touch their attacker after they've finally stopped the threat. They are AFRAID of that person. The fact that she dragged his lifeless body, along with all the other facts we've learned to date, proves to me that it was not self-defense.

[blighted star]

I know it's o/t but I just can't get my head around this. I really can't. I won't bring it up again, but it would eat at me if I didn't say something
I'm not going to argue it or mention it again, so no-one need worry about it clogging the thread, I just can't leave this unaddressed for future readers to see.


[QUOTE=;3402867]Saw that this morning, they ripped into you right away when you even tried to mention Trayvon having tats and looked like for all purposes a "thug"

Oh. WOW. If that's the type of "valid" point that was being made in the Trayvon thread before the inexplicable attacks occurred? Then I'm with anyone who said Western countries aren't supposed to apply the Death Penalty to teenagers (or anyone) because some sections of society find their fashion choices offensive, or upsetting or scary. Doesn't that sound like the Taliban? Aside from the obvious things that are just SO wrong with that mindset , it's the equivalent of coming to this thread & saying Travis asked for it because he continued to see Jodi - or any of the other reprehensible "blame the victim" excuses that have been bandied around by some (extremely unpopular) posters here.

& I'm sure you all recall the general consenus & group reaction each time anyone did dare to try that here?? I hope that anyone still feeling that tatts & piercings etc = threat = right to protect yourself proactively, one day have a child or grandchild you love dearly grow up to become an intelligent, caring but HEAVILY tattooed & pierced young adult. I hope they fare better in this world than Trayvon & that no harm EVER comes to them as a result of their appearance &/or beliefs (or any other reason of course). But I also hope that you'll still love your kid/grandkid & that with time, you'll begin to understand why discussions implying a person contributed to their own death by having tattoos, or piercings, or dressing in certain way or whatever, will always upset a lot of people. Hell, tattoos & piercings are pretty mainstream these days??

[lorizfree]

I apologize if this has been answered before this post, but I'm pretty sure that I missed it. Has Dr. Geffner done an evaluation of Jodi previous to this trial?

[Mayhem]

What I find strange is how well she covered her ass on some things and then others she screwed up so horribly. Like leaving the camera behind. If I had been her, the remaining bullets in granpa's gun would have been fired into the camera and that Helio phone. I do wonder how she got rid of the gas cans, they are big and even throwing them away would have been weird. Maybe she burned/melted them. Earlier as I watched the opening arguments. I found it weird that when Jenn talked about the missionaries visiting Jodi once a week, she says"they started at the end of Sept and all the way thru Oct.
She says that as if that is a REALLY long amount of time. In reality that means in the course of about 5 weeks Jodi decides to become a Mormon! That is an incredibly SHORT amount of time to change religions! Kind of like they like to make it sound as if she and Travis were a couple for years when it was only a few months they didnt even last long enough for her to have a legitimate reason to move. Of course she had the friends with benefits status for awhile but that was really it!

I find it strange too about how well she covered up some things and not others. The camera being left behind was truly a God-thing.

I am amazed, too, how she did not get blood all over that rental car. I know the mats were missing, but I can only imagine that stabbing, throat-slashing, dragging and shooting her victim did not have her covered in blood. Unless she showered quickly, dressed, and then went to drag his body back to the shower, but then why shoot him?

Idk it's odd...but then again, Lizzie Borden axed two people and there wasn't a spot of blood on her, either, so who knows.

[Wishmich]

anyone know how Martinez found out that JA exchanged addresses with some random on the plane on her way home from the funeral? Did the guy come forward?

I wondered that and the only thing I could figure out was they when they checked her phone, calls and texts, they contacted everyone she called or called in.

[Tia111]

Yes he has.

[AnnieBelle]

I truly believe if she gets DP, its not the actual "DEATH" sentence that will upset her but the lack of interaction with others. That will absolutely RUIN her. I could be wrong but on death row, she is completely alone in a cell and has no interaction with other inmates, correct? That, I personally feel, would be the best punishment. Sit alone, no attention, rot away until that day when she is strapped to a table and put to death. And I HOPE in that last moment of life, she sees his face and feels SOME SORT of regret/sadness/grief. (but I doubt it)

Its funny, I never was so pro death penalty before. But this specific case I just see no other punishment that fits as well. The premeditation, the overkill, the covering up (over and over), and the complete lack of any sort of remorse....DP is the only option. (IMO)

I feel the exact same way! I have never been a proponent for the DP, and I rarely feel it's warranted. This case is one of the exceptions. And, yes, there will be a world of difference between General Population Inmate Jodi and Death Row Inmate Jodi. She will have far less exposure to the other inmates. I believe they are locked in their cell for 23 out of 24 hours, eat meals in their cells, exercise in seclusion, shower under guard, etc. Her days of socializing with the jail pals will be over. And, knowing Jodi....she will file appeal upon appeal. She'll be there for years. :)

[AnnieBelle]

I find it strange too about how well she covered up some things and not others. The camera being left behind was truly a God-thing.

I am amazed, too, how she did not get blood all over that rental car. I know the mats were missing, but I can only imagine that stabbing, throat-slashing, dragging and shooting her victim did not have her covered in blood. Unless she showered quickly, dressed, and then went to drag his body back to the shower, but then why shoot him?

Idk it's odd...but then again, Lizzie Borden axed two people and there wasn't a spot of blood on her, either, so who knows.

Ah....but Lizzie was acquitted!

[AnnieBelle]

I don't believe she shot him first. There was no hemoraging at the bullet entry point. Even after decomposition, there would be evidence of blood in the skull.

Also there would be no way he would have had so many defensive wounds on his hands if she shot him first. I think she stabbed him in the chest which was a fatal stab wound, however not an immediately fatal stab wound. He fought back for his life. That is clear to me.

Every second he fought her back, he was losing more and more blood and getting too weak to stave her off.

If she had shot him first, I think neurologically he would have been too stunned and disoriented to hold his hands up in an attempt to ward off the multitude of stabs she inflicted upon him.

Regardless, I hope the jury does not get stuck on this point. It truly doesn't matter which weapon she used first. She murdered him 3 times over. That's enough for me to convict.

Precisely!! :)

[AnnieBelle]

I edited my statement to clarify my meaning, I never agreed w/Ron, I was just parroting what he used to say to make the point that I think he had to be immobilized and doing so with a knife could have been blocked because even though she had uncanny strength and stamina, I think he was stronger and could have overpowered. She had the upper hand cause she had the weapons. How it went down I don't think we will ever know.

What really bugs the CRAP out of me is the know it alls around here that misconstrue content, even though I may have written it poorly, I think it is obvious I think she did it all. I have posted long ago how fit she was, core strength doing the headstand, jogging in Yreka, Ryan saying she had surprising strength when she adjusted him. I even posted that I, a little lighter than she was, dragged my 170 lb. husband but it was not easy for me cause I am way older so Ron would get off it.

I absolutely agree with you....and I believe the only way she succeeded in her massacre was because of precise planning. She led him to the slaughter, and he never saw it coming. She made sure she had the advantage and would keep it. First degree!

[Mochachino]

Can the jury take an immediate vote once they get the case and if all agree, announce they have a verdict? or do they have to go through every piece of evidence and testimony to vote? (sorry if this was asked already)

[AnnieBelle]

Can the jury take an immediate vote once they get the case and if all agree, announce they have a verdict? or do they have to go through every piece of evidence and testimony to vote? (sorry if this was asked already)

I think they can do that, and I think some juries probably have. They might take a little time to talk about why they feel that, but some have returned verdicts in short time....there just is no doubt in their minds.

[I doubt it]

Opening statements on HLN now.

[Mayhem]

Can the jury take an immediate vote once they get the case and if all agree, announce they have a verdict? or do they have to go through every piece of evidence and testimony to vote? (sorry if this was asked already)

I believe that if they take a poll and all agree, they could come back immediately and end this thing. That's a pretty rare, thing, though, and even if all jurors did agree, I doubt they'd want to come back in less than 4 hrs because they wouldn't want to seem like they didn't discuss anything or rushed through. I think they're all dying to talk about and will enjoy the cathartic release in finally getting to dish.

If they're unanimous from the get go, I think they'll deliberate for 4-6 hours. I think if they have some fence-sitters or lone wolves, they'll deliberate for 2 days before reaching a unified decision. I hope.

[sheesh]

Can the jury take an immediate vote once they get the case and if all agree, announce they have a verdict? or do they have to go through every piece of evidence and testimony to vote? (sorry if this was asked already)

They can, but they they will have to go through the judge's instructions which can be lengthy.

More likely they elect a foreperson, review the court's instructions one by one to make sure each juror understands each, then decide how they want to tackle the task from there on.

[sheesh]

I just watched "In Session". Jodi's demeanor was sickening with the pouting, poor me and hand over her eyes. I had forgotten how much she faked at the trial onset

. Of course when we saw it, we were just so excited to see the trial start I don't recall me having such total despise of her faking.

Since then we've had so many inconsistencies in her stories I've even forgotten some of them.

The biggest inconsistency -- remember how meek and quiet and all victim-y she was on the stand for all that time until...

They played the sex tape/phone conversation and she was all bright and eager and willing and even her voice was so much louder and cheery???

That dichotomy was really breathtaking ... and infuriating. That contrast impeached her every statement. Without that recording.... I don't want to even think.

I hope the jury can recall with sufficiency those two Jodis.

[sheesh]

Opening statements on HLN now.

Opening statement watch:

Why was there a cup in the shower and the blood diluted with water & wiped away in some areas .... ?

[Jillee]

Ta111 Quote- I was wondering this too! This idiot has no limits! That guy should definitely be creeped out. I guess she was just moving on....

Well, she WAS single. :/

[Jillee]

Does anyone have the link to the video where the judge tells the jury what will be happening this week? I can't find it for some reason.

[I doubt it]

Reposted in answer to questions

copied from https://www.facebook.com/Justice4Tra...ocation=stream
REPOST:

What we can expect in the following week/s.

FIRST-DEGREE MURDER :

If the jurors unanimously decide Arias is guilty of first-degree murder, the case would then move to the aggravation phase.

That is the prosecution's chance to present additional evidence that the death was caused in a cruel manner. Arizona law defines it as when the victim suffers physical pain or mental anguish and the defendant knew or should have known that the victim would suffer.

The jury would then deliberate for a second time to determine if the aggravating factor of cruelty is proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

If the jury does not find her guilty of cruelty, the case ends and the judge sets a sentencing date within 30 to 60 days. At the sentencing, the judge decides whether to sentence Arias to natural life in prison or life with parole eligibility after 25 years.

But if the jury decides cruelty is proven beyond a reasonable doubt, the case moves to the sentencing phase.

This is the defense's opportunity to ask the jury for leniency and present evidence to support why Arias should be spared the death penalty. Witnesses may include Arias' friends and family. Arias could also make a statement to the jury.

The jury then deliberates for a third time to determine whether Arias should be sentenced to life or death. Their decision must be unanimous. In the case of a deadlock, a mistrial would be granted and a new jury would be chosen for this phase only.

If the jury votes for the death penalty, Arias would be sentenced immediately and is likely to be sent to death row within hours. If the jury opts for a life sentence, the judge will set a sentencing date within 30 to 60 days and, at that time, will sentence Arias to natural life or life with eligibility for parole after 25 years.

SECOND-DEGREE MURDER :

If the jury rejects first-degree murder but finds her guilty of the lesser charge of second-degree murder, the judge will sentence Arias to no less than 10 years and no more than 22 years in prison.

Arias will get credit for the time she has been incarcerated awaiting trial.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

Does anyone have the link to the video where the judge tells the jury what will be happening this week? I can't find it for some reason.

Try Tawnidilly's you tube channel

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheTawn...ature=g-high-u


Jenny from the block waaay oversold her opening statement, jmo.