Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[Missmandy9]

I thought Wildabouttrial mentioned they might have one.

I had already checked there but didn't see anything. Maybe I'll tweet WAT and see if he replies. I'll post his response here if I hear back from him.

[ShellJett]

What did everyone think of the defence team wheeling in granny and slapping a dom/viol ribbon on her? Desperate much?

I have been singing in my head: "Grandma got run over by a Reindeer". No offense to the actual GM, it's just going through my head with an image of Stabby hiding behind a Christmas tree.

[knavekid]

Here is a close-up:

By the looks of these shelves, the front pins are only about 2" from the front of what looks to be 16" deep shelves. Cursory calculations indicate that you would need to apply 3.5 times the weight of the shelf on the front edge before the rear of the shelf would start to lift. Add items on top of the shelf and this would also add 3.5 times their weight to the force needed to flip. The force required 1" onto the shelf would be double that at the edge.

I think that Jodi could have stepped near the right or left side of the shelf with her toes 3 inches onto the shelf and it would have supported her without disturbing the items on the shelf.

She might have carefully stepped on the shelves during cleaning, but I doubt that she stepped on them the day Travis was murdered.

[aaronsmommy]

I saw it too, but what the jurors saw is the only thing that matters.

that picture was admitted into evidence - the jurors will have it in their deliberation room. Doesn't matter if one missed it, because they will all get to see it in there.

[AnnieBelle]

So - deliberations... hours? days? weeks? what is everyone thinking time wise?

I am guessing they will come back with a guilty verdict within 16 hours.

[Placroix]

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YIKES!!!! I think I would rather have the needle!

[NCBlonde]

thanks Blonde, but darn that shoots down my hope we were going to wait for her.

Well, I guess there always exists the possibility that the Fraud Inspector could be, say, out of town on business? Except, I can't see that taking all day. I think, judging by the way the first 2 defense psychologists did on the stand, we are reserving the entire day for their rebuttal witness, unfortunately. :(

But other than a forensic/psych witness, who would it be? I was thinking, hoping perhaps MM was unavailable until next week?.

It's going to be the defense rebuttal psychologist, I'm almost positive. But, we don't know who else Martinez has. We have heard the Fraud Inspector from JPMorgan Chase, and ME Dr. Horne. Some of those were objected to by the defense, so it's possible we won't see one or both of them. Other than that, I don't know of any other witnesses Martinez has. So my guess is, we'll get one more witness today for the prosecution, the remaining tomorrow, and the defense will get a very long weekend to set up their rebuttal witness.

It's huge actually as the pedophile story started with stabby helping Travis put stuff in the "ATTIC" he found an angel and gave it to her, she forgot it and went back to get it and caught him with the pics of young child (all bs of course).....all one big mother of a lie

I'm not saying it's not a big deal. I'm saying why is it a big deal for Nurmi and the defense? It was testified the attic was empty, what does it matter which detective said it was empty?

What did everyone think of the defence team wheeling in granny and slapping a dom/viol ribbon on her? Desperate much?

I thought it was disgusting. I know some people are feeling sorry for Granny. I'm undecided. Yes I feel for her if she's confused or being manipulated, but otherwise? If this is another maneuver for sympathy, with the little bs DV ribbons, to generate sympathy and grandma came willingly, I can't see how I can have much sympathy for her. They all know damn well Jodi is no victim; and unless grandma is senile, she's just as bad as the rest of them in trying to demonize Travis to save Jodi's murdering ass.

[ShellJett]

Yes! Great idea!

Jodi Arias Withdrawal Thread and 12-Step Program

Just when I start feeling sorry for myself I think about the Jurors who are going to be Alternates.

[jingles]

Yep, jury to be there for 9am

Last I read the judge said they were in a "short" recess? Oh well.

[SalVal]

Not sure if this has been posted already, but I saw this book when I was looking at the Foxy Knoxy book coming out.

http://www.amazon.com/Picture-Perfec...icture+perfect

Haven't posted in a long time in here but I lurk quite a bit.

[Rockabillychick]

A person trying to stand on it might get hurt, I guess. Anyone want to try this at home?

I did. It tipped and I landed on my ass.

[TMY1]

Agreed. It?d be awesome if they?d known all of it ? but who knows what Jodi will say from one moment to the next. I think even her own lawyers have looked pretty surprised at some of the things she seemed to make up on the fly. SHE doesn?t even know what she is going to say from one moment to the next (hence the multiple stories).You can?t pin down crazy!

However, I think far more powerful than any dust spot (which, considering they didn?t find Travis for 5 days and how fast dust accumulates here in the PHX valley, may have been unusable anyway) is the fact that Travis did not own ANY of the items a gun owner would have. No cleaning kit? No bullets? No holster? No nothing?!? No way? We have a .45 and we have a whole bag full of stuff for when we go to the range.

Thankfully there has been SO much evidence disproving her lies (including common sense as well as hard evidence) that it makes her claim even more implausible than it was to begin with.

We agree that the crazy skank did this heinous crime. I just want as much evidence as possible to make sure the jury sees things the way we see them. Anything less than M1 is a travesty of justice.

[NCBlonde]

so who is this witness for Wednesday? where in the hell could they be travelling from to not be able to be here until Wednesday?

I don't think distance is the issue, I think the witness schedule is. That's why I think it's the defense psychologist. Because, even though the DT KNEW for more than a year what Dr. D was going to testify to for the prosecution, they didn't start scrambling to line-up someone to rebut, until the last few days/week apparently. At that point in time, I'm sure the psychologist had patients, conference time, or something of that sort.

It could be say the prosecution's bank fraud witness, but she is based in Phoenix; so unless she is out of town on business, I don't think it's her. Plus, she would've been given plenty of notice by the prosecution, unlike the last-minute scrambling by the defense.

[Jillee]

I'm thinking Wed is for sur rebuttal. Only because the judge seemed quite bitchy about it. "We're NOT leaving until we are finished" sounds like she's sending a message to the Def. that they're not getting more than a day of everyone's time to bring in another expert. No more of this 'take all the time you want BS'. Juan will rest after Dr. Horne. I hope he'll bring in more witnesses, however with the time that's left, I'm thinking this is it. But Wed. is going to be completely devoted to the def. sur-rebuttal. (Just guessing, hope I'm wrong)

Guess on deliberations? I'm going to say 6-8 hours. Only because they have 50 pages of jury instructions.

[Harlette]

Yup...totally agree! This is her reaction that says it all

[NCBlonde]

And now that this has gone on WAY longer than a 10-minute break, I'm betting they will come back in and judge will call it a day.

[Brillig]

Pedo story started with her helping him put things in the attic - organizing - and he gave her an angel statue at that time. Later, she realized she had forgotten it, and that's when she returned and found him masturbating on the bed with the pictures.

Because when pedos that belong to strict religions wanna whack off to kiddie pics, they always do it 5 minutes after their fuckbuddy departs, and leave the bedroom door and the front door both unlocked, even though they have roommates.

Right. Glad we got that settled.

By the looks of these shelves, the front pins are only about 2" from the front of what looks to be 16" deep shelves. Cursory calculations indicate that you would need to apply 3.5 times the weight of the shelf on the front edge before the rear of the shelf would start to lift. Add items on top of the shelf and this would also add 3.5 times their weight to the force needed to flip. The force required 1" onto the shelf would be double that at the edge.

I think that Jodi could have stepped near the right or left side of the shelf with her toes 3 inches onto the shelf and it would have supported her without disturbing the items on the shelf.

She might have carefully stepped on the shelves during cleaning, but I doubt that she stepped on them the day Travis was murdered.

I disagree with your conclusion, but the math part was sexy. Just sayin'

[AntBubsy]

I'm predicting if the jury gets the case on Friday, we will have a verdict by the end of the day. I am sticking with M1 - DP

[Sylvian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39cjZz78OkA

This is a pretty good video, jury notes with a very comprehensive timeline and shows Jodi's premeditation.

just a warning, includes photos of travis's body including neck slash

[PopRocks]

dam today is over already?

i finally got free time and i see the state seal :/

[dizzyp]

I am guessing they will come back with a guilty verdict within 16 hours.

that's what I've been saying.. less than full day of deliberation... "business days" so to speak.. 2- 8 hour days would be your 16 hrs.

[NCBlonde]

dam today is over already?

i finally got free time and i see the state seal :/

Not yet. They're on their half-hour long 10 minute break.

[wasthinking]

If you go by Wendi's case, we're looking at about another 3-4 weeks before it's all really done.

[I doubt it]

What day did the judge say they would start at 9:00 and go until they were done? May 1st?
I assume that is closing arguments day. Am I assuming correct? But she made it sound like there was more testimony after this week, based on her statement.

She said there was a witness who couldn't get there until Wed., May 1. I hope it's not Jodi's rebuttal witness.

[GuiltyasSin]

It would prove if anything at all had been resting on the the top of that shelf. If there was an undisturbed coat of dust then there was no gun resting up there. I think that could be beneficial further proving she lied about retrieving a gun on that shelf. Do you not agree?

You do realize that had there been pictures of those shelves Jodi would have made up an entirely different story.