Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[olgasbunghole]

It isn't the same, you're right - Flores was much more delicate than a woman frantically searching for a weapon on a shelf she had to jump up to get to. Any weight at all would have those things crashing down.

and she was wearing socks, possibly wet at the time?

[MISFIT]

Here is a close-up:

I hate to say it, but it looks like that shelf was pulled out a bit before this picture was snapped. Maybe that's why it wasn't on-screen for too long. (and happy page 666 post!)

[M Joy]

...and they come back from recess only to drop any questions to do with the Hughes and 48 hours.

[Harlette]

i guess nurmo lost that one

[NCBlonde]

Thanks for the screenshots everyone! I have to think, looking at that, that since the shelve above it is the same style, the shelf she claims to have stepped on would've flipped up and possible knocked the second shelf off too, or at least titled it enough to spill or mess-up the clothing.

[Sylvian]

Jenny on from the block looks like she might cry!

I wanna see jenny become unhinged

[olgasbunghole]

I hate to say it, but it looks like that shelf was pulled out a bit before this picture was snapped. Maybe that's why it wasn't on-screen for too long. (and happy page 666 post!)

I don't believe it's pulled out, the side is exposed because the shelf is tilted.

[denn]

Finally we get a defense guest on HLN say those shelves and the tipping is powerful for the prosecution!!!!!

[smashie]

plus she stepped on the shelf AND grabbed onto another in order to boost herself up. None of the shelves were disheveled.

[Mochachino]

Exactly! The gun was never there and the dust on the shelf also proves she was a shitty maid!

Don't we all know what 'kind' of maid she is??!

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

(and happy page 666 post!)

Appropriate for today I think

...and they come back from recess only to drop any questions to do with the Hughes and 48 hours.

Jenny from the block looked she wanted to cry as the jury was coming in!

[wasthinking]

...and they come back from recess only to drop any questions to do with the Hughes and 48 hours.

Nurmi must have stayed up nights asking jodi, what did I miss.

[ShellJett]

Jenny on from the block looks like she might cry!

Disco Donna looks fucking miserable as well. The whole DT has that look today.

[Mochachino]

Finally we get a defense guest on HLN say those shelves and the tipping is powerful for the prosecution!!!!!

Does anyone know WTF HLN didn't put THOSE kind of shelves in their re-creation? They put solid ones in theirs. That disappointed me immediately!

[Lady MacBeth]

Actually it was pretty clever. Jury can't unhear something even if it's sustained. All lawyers do it. JM been sustained himself. :)

i dont think it was "clever" at all. i think it was a very intentional and flagrant violation of his duty as a lawyer to act in good faith. it was reprehensible.

[AnnieBelle]

Not the same at all, the jury isn't stupid. This is the most disappointing thing I've seen JM try.

The jury is NOT stupid. I am pretty certain they will use common sense concerning these type shelves, and the probability that Jumpin' Jodi could have successfully used them as a ladder to reach the phantom gun.

[denn]

Whoever said that Flores has a big mouth; he stopped Stabby in interrogation from saying "Travis never ab.....he stopped her. He should have let her go on and on.

[ChelseyDawn]

But compare the weight of his hand vs the weight of her whole body... and the pressure he is applying is on his palm, similar to where her toes would be

Exactly, her body weight, PLUS the momentum for jumping up on a shelf in a hurry.

I have shelves like that in my closet and I broke one by delicately putting my weight on it to reach something up top. I’m 5’ 7” and I weighed maybe 5 lbs more than Jodi at the time. My shelves in that area are screwed into the unit though, and they still broke! (I would have never even considered stepping on the shelves that have just pins to support them…no way!) Needless to say, I now always use my step stool…

Excellent question!

I live in Arizona. It's a dust bowl here. And unless you have the best housekeeper on the planet, you're going to have a little dust buildup on top of your closet shelves...

The dust issue is a non-factor. Why would they have looked for a dust mark from a gun that was never mentioned until years later?! At the time when they found Travis they would have had no reason to spend much time in the closet, much less look in the back corner of the top shelf for a dust ring from a gun that was never there (and she didn’t claim the gun until years later, making the point moot)

If she had stepped on that shelf, tipping it, she would have been slowed way down by stumbling over the clothes spilled.

And, with the forward momentum and reaching backward to the back upper corner, if the shelf tipped on her, she probably would have bashed her face right into the other shelves...

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

I wanna see jenny become unhinged

I got $5 says she cries during her closing argument

Disco Donna looks fucking miserable as well. The whole DT has that look today.

Good. I wish misery on them forever more!

[denn]

Can anyone tell me if the judge denied sir-rebuttal?

[Brillig]

Maybe we are misinterurpting what the picture shows. It proves - to me - that had JA stepped on the shelf the contents would have spilled to the floor.

We know that did not happen by the evidence photos.

Exactly.

I don't believe it's pulled out, the side is exposed because the shelf is tilted.

I agree

[olgasbunghole]

Nurmi must have stayed up nights asking jodi, what did I miss.

ha ha ha............. or come'on joders think of some more details that could be "plausible"!

[aaronsmommy]

it isn't about delicate, its about point of the weight and distribution.

Well, my 30 pound 3 year old knocks shelves like that over all the time at my house, because he puts weight on the front... even when they are loaded in the back with items. All TA had on thsoe shelves was clothes - surely that isn't enough to balance out 130 pounds of woman tipping it from the front? I'm not understanding the confusion here. That picture clearly shows that weight on the front of the shelves would tip them, and items would fall to the floor. That's the whole point of this, nothing was disturbed in the closet - at all.

[DenverClipper]

Can someone please recap the timeline the judge gave the jury for ending the trial? Thanks.

[TMY1]

Excellent question!

I live in Arizona. It's a dust bowl here. And unless you have the best housekeeper on the planet, you're going to have a little dust buildup on top of your closet shelves...

A picture of the top shelf at the time of the investigation might have been helpful. If there had been an object taken from that shelf it would have left a visible impression in the dust, assuming dust had accumulated on the top shelf.