Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[zeebee]

As for Darryl Brewer, JM was referring to his original police statement when he was trying to refresh Brewer's memory. It was like pulling teeth to even get him to admit that she asked for the gas cans at all. Brewer was trying to avoid testifying to anything that looked incriminating to her.

I had another thought : Darryl lied about Jodi telling him she was going to Mesa. He's trying to protect her in a way - "See, she told me she was going to Mesa, she wasn't hiding that fact".

Sometimes it is hard to believe Jodi has an above average IQ.

Seriously. Honestly, she doesn't seem all that smart to me. She's pretty good at lying convincingly and thinking up lies on the spot though. Maybe that's where all the brain function is going to.

[lisam2013]

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[Brillig]

I share this viewpoint! I can't see where folks are coming from when they say TA looks fearful, shocked, frozen, or otherwise.

I perceive that he is enjoying the attention, and posing! He's showing off his back, arms up, he's sitting down, he's crossing his arms, he's not washing himself with shower gel or soap! And IMO, the shots were bad, unlit and accidental looking, because Jodi had her mind on getting him into a vulnerable position and killing him!

This lends all the more credence to the theory that the attack was sudden, and unexpected, IMO!

I agree with this completely.

I still think its ridiculous that she had a gun on him when she was taking pics. It would have been totally awkward not to mention, it would have given TA the opportunity to rush her while she was looking thru the viewfinder even with the gun on him.

Yes, exactly. Plus, if she was holding a gun or knife on him, there would be no need to bother with taking the pics. The pics were the ruse she used to get him into the shower and in a sitting position. If she was holding a weapon on him, there would be no need to manipulate him into sitting by using the photo shoot ruse, she could just have said "sit down, fucker, or I'll blow your brains out".

To those who think she was holding a weapon on Travis during the pics: if this is the case, why bother taking the pics at all? what is the point of taking the pics then?

It seems pretty obvious that she wanted to get all the way across Arizona without stopping for gas. Why? To hide the fact that she was in Arizona at all - not from her friends (who would take what she said at face value and not paw through receipts for gas stations in AZ) but from authorities. Add in the fact that her cell phone was turned off while she was in AZ. Yes, that could be explained. Maybe her cell died and she could not find the charger. It's possible. But add the two together and it's looking pretty suspicious.

Add in the stolen gun which is the same caliber used on Travis, the dye job and the rental car - all of which can be explained - but you know what? That is a lot of fucking explaining.

Exactly! And the only reason to hide ones activities from the authorities is if you are planning to commit a crime. I also agree about the number of "coincidences". One coincidence might be believable, even for Jodi. Possibly even two. But when you have a whole string of them? Not believable at all.

A linebacker is a position in US football. This guy is a linebacker,
and I assume that's the "pose" Jodi was trying to imitate
- except he's not running.

Now picture that with Travis tilting his head. Yeah, right. That would be so awkward. When Jodi demonstrated it, she should have put a cartoon bubble over his head that said "Yeah, now shoot me here so it comports to the evidence."

The whole linebacker thing always seemed so stupid and fake to me, even more so than some of her other lies. If Travis wanted to attack Jodi, or grab her, or knock her down, there would be no reason in the world he would need to do it from a linebacker position. He was taller and heavier, he easily had the advantage. The only reason for the silly linebacker detail is to try and make the wounds comport with the evidence.

I hope Juan does a demo (using people the correct sizes) showing what positions Travis and Jodi would have had to have been in for the gunshot to take the trajectory it did. I think that would completely prove the gunshot could not have happened as Jodi claimed.

[zeebee]

The whole linebacker thing always seemed so stupid and fake to me, even more so than some of her other lies. If Travis wanted to attack Jodi, or grab her, or knock her down, there would be no reason in the world he would need to do it from a linebacker position. He was taller and heavier, he easily had the advantage. The only reason for the silly linebacker detail is to try and make the wounds comport with the evidence.

Yes. And really, if someone attacks you, are you going to remember exactly how they ran at you, right down to the slight tilt of the head?

[I doubt it]

Sometimes it is hard to believe Jodi has an above average IQ.

I've known at least one person with an above average IQ that had no common sense at all. That feature of intelligence is not measured in any test.

119 is considered "high average". Regardless, bitch has some dumb ideas. Her IQ doesn't impress.

Jodi scored high in verbal skills, 136, the highest you can get. That's why she can talk forever. But since her overall was 119, the 3 other skills brought her down.

[I doubt it]

The whole linebacker thing always seemed so stupid and fake to me, even more so than some of her other lies. If Travis wanted to attack Jodi, or grab her, or knock her down, there would be no reason in the world he would need to do it from a linebacker position. He was taller and heavier, he easily had the advantage. The only reason for the silly linebacker detail is to try and make the wounds comport with the evidence.

I just thought of another reason. He was hunched over because he was wounded, possibly the chest wound.

From what I remember from football, the guys run hunched over (like a linebacker) when they're holding the ball to protect it. Or they're trying to pretend they're running with the ball. A linebacker is a defensive position, he tries to keep the guy with the ball from getting past him. The guy running with the ball is on the offense.
Why did she have to use that term? Now she's ruined football!

[*crickets*]

The whole linebacker thing always seemed so stupid and fake to me, even more so than some of her other lies. If Travis wanted to attack Jodi, or grab her, or knock her down, there would be no reason in the world he would need to do it from a linebacker position. He was taller and heavier, he easily had the advantage. The only reason for the silly linebacker detail is to try and make the wounds comport with the evidence.

I hope Juan does a demo (using people the correct sizes) showing what positions Travis and Jodi would have had to have been in for the gunshot to take the trajectory it did. I think that would completely prove the gunshot could not have happened as Jodi claimed.

Exactly! She had heard the ME's testimony (many days earlier) about the bullet trajectory and had already told her story about Travis bodyslamming her, now she had to modify this one detail to try to fit the evidence.



Here is our gal demonstrating the linebacker pose for the jury.

That was a perfect opportunity for Martinez to point out the fact that with Jodi shooting Travis in that position, the bullet trajectory would have been front-to-back, even with him crouched down low, but the ACTUAL trajectory was downward, from just above his left eyebrow to the right cheek. It was fired downward from above, standing over him. He had her, right there, in front of the jury. It would have been so easy, a true BOMBSHELL! moment.

But for some reason, in a not-so-SuperJuan moment, he left that point unmade. Just stopped right there after the pose.

The ME's testimony had been many days (and much lurid and mind-numbing testimony) before. Why in the world did he let that opportunity pass him by? Why leave it to the jurors to connect those (widely separated) dots? There was no reason, strategy-wise, for him to have left that out.

I know, 'just wait until closing, he'll tie it all together with a big red bow'. All I can say is, he damn well better.

[faq_q]

Exactly! She had heard the ME's testimony (many days earlier) about the bullet trajectory and had already told her story about Travis bodyslamming her, now she had to modify this one detail to try to fit the evidence.



Here is our gal demonstrating the linebacker pose for the jury.

That was a perfect opportunity for Martinez to point out the fact that with Jodi shooting Travis in that position, the bullet trajectory would have been front-to-back, even with him crouched down low, but the ACTUAL trajectory was downward, from just above his left eyebrow to the right cheek. It was fired downward from above, standing over him. He had her, right there, in front of the jury. It would have been so easy, a true BOMBSHELL! moment.

But for some reason, in a not-so-SuperJuan moment, he left that point unmade. Just stopped right there after the pose.

The ME's testimony had been many days (and much lurid and mind-numbing testimony) before. Why in the world did he let that opportunity pass him by? Why leave it to the jurors to connect those (widely separated) dots? There was no reason, strategy-wise, for him to have left that out.

I know, 'just wait until closing, he'll tie it all together with a big red bow'. All I can say is, he damn well better.

I think it would be so hard to catch Stabby in every lie, but Juan does about as good a job as anyone. I know he has a team that helps him but its impressive that he goes it alone while she has 2 bumbling idiots for her defense.

[Jillee]

But but but, she said, she had to move on. Poor thing went and killed the last guy, oops. Now she was all alone, nobody in her parasistic life. Ryan was out. We know she's sensed his cold feet. She already knew that wasn't going anywhere. Whats a girl to do but troll on and look for new humping grounds.

I wish I knew what her reaction 'oh my God the Purple Plum' and looking at JW worried was all about. In my observation, she was holding her breath on that one wondering wth Martinez knew. by her later actions, JM either missed something JA thought wouldnt come out, or for legal reasons JM couldn't get something in.
about 1:00 Purple Plum http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSIB_bDCeCE

Hi WT! I'm watching the video link that you posted and I can't find the Purple Plumb reference at the 1:00:00 mark. Am I looking in the wrong place? Thanks so much!

Also, I find it strange that all of the scrubbed video of Jodi saying "Still beat you... brat" has been pulled from the internet. The regular interrogation tape is still there, but I can't find the audio enhanced version anywhere. weird.

[Poppycock]

i think this would be amazing if it's true! Most likely a hoax but if not, honestly which one of you guys or girls went out there with a metal detector?!

I drove by it yesterday around 8 p.m. on way back from Vegas; but it wasn't me and I am betting its a hoax, it would have been found before now! And you cannot go traipsing around near hoover dam, its all guided tours.

The South Tower is at 201 W Jefferson. Courtroom is 5A.

Faq - you were there, I can vouch for that, but - it is 175 W Madison, Jackson St on the south, Madison on the North. Courtroom 5C is correct! The one on Jefferson is family court I believe. Madison is south of that. There is a $5 a day parking lot on Jackson right across the street from the criminal courthouse. OR a multilevel garage to the east, by the hour.
South Court Tower (SCT)
175 W. Madison St.
Phoenix, AZ. 85003-2243
View map

?Phone: (602) 506-3204
?Criminal

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.go...p?location=ccb
(type 175 W Madison in the box)

Tried to catch up after about a week timeout while on the road for 4.5 hours last night; the bear/tiger question is gnawing at me. I am sure you have all discussed it. I sure think Dr D was a good witness despite not having 30+ years of experience! I prefer fresh rather than stale! That was a hard question to answer on the spot. And JW is no JM, though she would like to be obviously. Not impressed with her cross at all. (3 key players names begin with "J", four including Judge.) Also, what happened to David Lohr's videos without sidebars?

To me the most compelling evidence is the crime scene photos with timestamps and the autopsy photos, blowing any claim of sd out of the water. The gas cans, stolen gun, rental car just add to it. Such compelling evidence I think she could have been found guilty of 1st degree murder in a week, but all the smoke and mirrors confuse and confound. Ridiculous that this trial has lasted this long and cost this much. So much time and money spent on this defendant, I know innocent until proven guilty but this is an abomination. Juries are like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get...

[Brillig]

Brilling! you watched it, TY! It is quite the deal, with all the side bars, objections and JM always coming back very careful about his wording of questions. Judge is not letting in something. I suppose turning tricks in the back lot or something might be too prejudicial. Maybe cops found Aileen Wuornos posters in her car with that 9 mm and a gold panning kit.

I did watch it, and I'm glad you pointed it out. I did not catch that during the original testimony at all, because I was mostly listening that day, rather than watching. Not sure what Jodi was doing, but it clearly was something significant that she did not want to come out.

Hi WT! I'm watching the video link that you posted and I can't find the Purple Plumb reference at the 1:00:00 mark. Am I looking in the wrong place? Thanks so much!

I believe the Purple Plum bit starts at 1:29 mark.

[PopRocks]

Hi WT! I'm watching the video link that you posted and I can't find the Purple Plumb reference at the 1:00:00 mark. Am I looking in the wrong place? Thanks so much!

Also, I find it strange that all of the scrubbed video of Jodi saying "Still beat you... brat" has been pulled from the internet. The regular interrogation tape is still there, but I can't find the audio enhanced version anywhere. weird.

You mean this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5lGJ72SQBM&t=32m

[faq_q]

I drove by it yesterday around 8 p.m. on way back from Vegas; but it wasn't me and I am betting its a hoax, it would have been found before now! And you cannot go traipsing around near hoover dam, its all guided tours.


Faq - you were there, I can vouch for that, but - it is 175 W Madison, Jackson St on the south, Madison on the North. Courtroom 5C is correct! The one on Jefferson is family court I believe. Madison is south of that. There is a $5 a day parking lot on Jackson right across the street from the criminal courthouse. OR a multilevel garage to the east, by the hour.
South Court Tower (SCT)
175 W. Madison St.
Phoenix, AZ. 85003-2243
View map

?Phone: (602) 506-3204
?Criminal

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.go...p?location=ccb
(type 175 W Madison in the box)

Tried to catch up after about a week timeout while on the road for 4.5 hours last night; the bear/tiger question is gnawing at me. I am sure you have all discussed it. I sure think Dr D was a good witness despite not having 30+ years of experience! I prefer fresh rather than stale! That was a hard question to answer on the spot. And JW is no JM, though she would like to be obviously. Not impressed with her cross at all. (3 key players names begin with "J", four including Judge.) Also, what happened to David Lohr's videos without sidebars?

To me the most compelling evidence is the crime scene photos with timestamps and the autopsy photos, blowing any claim of sd out of the water. The gas cans, stolen gun, rental car just add to it. Such compelling evidence I think she could have been found guilty of 1st degree murder in a week, but all the smoke and mirrors confuse and confound. Ridiculous that this trial has lasted this long and cost this much. So much time and money spent on this defendant, I know innocent until proven guilty but this is an abomination. Juries are like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get...

I came in on Jefferson and had to walk the catwalk so I cannot confirm nor disconfirm Madison. I'm sure there are several ways to get there. Either way, you will make it in there. I had to pay $12 in a parking garage for 3+ hours so I bet poppycock's way is better. It is a great experience though, I will try to go back when I get back from Cabo if it isn't over by then.

[wasthinking]

Hi WT! I'm watching the video link that you posted and I can't find the Purple Plumb reference at the 1:00:00 mark. Am I looking in the wrong place? Thanks so much!

Also, I find it strange that all of the scrubbed video of Jodi saying "Still beat you... brat" has been pulled from the internet. The regular interrogation tape is still there, but I can't find the audio enhanced version anywhere. weird.

Jillee, sorry! Did you find it (while I napped) that is one hour not one minute. closer to 1:25:00 I think.
I don't know much about the other one, never even knew thre was an 'enhanced' version.

[Morticia]

Kristina Randle's latest take on BPD.

http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-...lity-disorder/

[Freethinker]

I think if DM was Jodi's personal counselor, there likely would be more dx. I believe she was on the stand to eradicate the PTSD dx. that was giving her a free ride to her fog explanation. As a layman, her fog was too perfect. She said when it started and when it ended. It was way too convenient.

[Lady MacBeth]

Sometimes it is hard to believe Jodi has an above average IQ.

thats only because her answers were all lies

[Jillee]

For some reason, I'm unable to multi quote. Forgive my copy and pasting job.

Poprocks said: You mean this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5lGJ72SQBM&t=32m

Hey Poprocks! No, that's not the video that I was talking about. That ^^ is the whole interrogation video where you can hear her say "Still beat you...brat" however, there are/were enhanced clips of her saying it without the background noise, etc. Just a short video of her saying "still beat you, brat" and it was crystal clear. But strangely, all of the enhanced clips has been removed from the internet.
Also, has anyone heard any news agency play that sound bite anywhere? It's funny how I've seen them show her standing on her head, singing, etc. but never showing "Still beat you" anywhere. That's some pretty damning words she mutters. I find that strange.

Wasthinking said; "Jillee, sorry! Did you find it (while I napped) that is one hour not one minute. closer to 1:25:00 I think.
I don't know much about the other one, never even knew thre was an 'enhanced' version."

Found it WT! Thank you so much! Brillig too! Thanks! Yes, I wonder what happened with the Purple Plumb?! Willmott and Jodi both looked VERY nervous about that! I have a feeling that there is SOOOO much more backstory to this case that we'll never know. Also, when Juan was questioning Brewer he seemed to know much more than he was telling. Oh how I'd love to see the transcript of his interview with detectives! And did anyone catch that Juan was asking Brewer and Jodi on cross about her checking her email that morning at Brewer's house. There's something up with that. Juan sounded WAY too interested in her checking her myspace/email and regular email that morning. WAY too interested! I'll see if I can find the link and you guys can tell me what you think.

This trial has become so murky, it's scary. We've spent how many weeks (months?) diagnosing Jodi, when in reality it doesn't make any difference what kind of disorder she has. The prison populations are full of mental disorders. She obviously is Not insane. That's really all that matters. There's just too too much minutia. (Don't get me wrong, I love the crazy ass minutia that comes with this case) But, whether or not she's got a personality disorder and on what axis level doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Though admittedly, she's a fascinating case study, I'm afraid this trial has become just that. A case study, and now it looks like poor Jodi is suffering from a brain disorder and couldn't help herself.

At the end of the day, all Juan needs to prove is premeditation. The rest is just unnecessary information (way too much information) and it's fogging up the courtroom.
Even IF Travis emotionally abused her, blah blah blah, that doesn't negate the fact that she drove 1000 miles to kill him in cold blood. This case needs to re-focus on her planned actions on the days leading up to his murder instead of trying to get inside her head.
I no longer think her defense team is so stupid. They've done one HELL of a good job focusing all of the attention on everything BUT the murder. It's been so long now since anyone has even talked about the actual murder, I hope the jury can remember why they're there. Personally, I don't think Juan needed DeMarte. The jury seemed to not believe LaViolette or Samuels. Martinez should have let that horse die in peace and refocus on the facts instead of delving deeper into crazy.
This really should have been a cut and dry case. The evidence is overwhelming. Three months ago we somehow took a wrong turn and never looked back.
Hopefully we'll see some progress in this area starting on Tuesday. Big progress. Juan needs to make that jury forget about poor Jodi and remember the heinous, premeditated murder of Travis.

[Poppycock]

The problem is, even if the ballistics match the bullet taken from Travis, it doesn't really help the prosecution. All that would prove is that the gun used to shoot Travis was tossed in the desert. Which is what Jodi already admits. It would NOT prove where the gun came from, which is the important part.

The gun stolen from grandpa was old, unregistered, and grandpa inherited it from someone now long dead. There are no ballistics proven to be from grandpa's gun to make a comparison to. There is no record of a serial number on grandpa's gun to check against. Unfortunately.

All I could find is a thread where this is being discussed today, no news sites. Some guy says he found a gun under a cactus a year ago and has recently produced it. Thing is, if it was THE gun, would grandpa lie and say he does not recognize it? There may be no way to positively connect it. http://www.topix.com/forum/law/crimi...9ARB1AERHDI/p3

But on the subject of the gun, on interrogation tape 16, Flores tells her he thinks she shot Travis while he was sitting in the shower, that is what he says the evidence shows. That would give the trajectory credence. In what position would the lifeless body have to be for that trajectory? Because I think when he is stuffed back in the shower, he is facing the opposite direction. If he was prone, or lying face down, the shot would go from front to back or back to front. Just curious what you guys with IQ's higher than mine (around 60) think!

(also, imo she used both weapons to make it look like two people were involved, she mentions a few times it would take two to take Travis down)

I came in on Jefferson and had to walk the catwalk so I cannot confirm nor disconfirm Madison. I'm sure there are several ways to get there. Either way, you will make it in there. I had to pay $12 in a parking garage for 3+ hours so I bet poppycock's way is better. It is a great experience though, I will try to go back when I get back from Cabo if it isn't over by then.

Faq you are a typical man, wing it on directions! Us women like to be definitive so as not to get lost; (love my google GPS on phone). And of course, always be right! But I concede, either address will get you there; one with a catwalk, one not.

Wishful thinking for it to be over before you get back, have un muy bueno tiempo senor! maybe el verdicto will await you.

[Jillee]

There's something fishy about her checking her myspace at Darryl's. The way he questions her about things like the remote ending up in her car, there's always meaning behind it. Like he's toying with her. He did the same thing with his email questions. Perhaps they have proof that she hacked into Travis' myspace or email account from Darryls? It starts at about 16:55
http://youtu.be/bW-ZL4S5pgU

[ShellJett]

Can jury see Stabby or her actions at Defense table? Or does Nurmi block her with his reclining? Courtroom is so big, maybe that's strategic. Re-watched the Purple Plum part of video - I missed so much that day. I now understand how Disco Donna got her name. Poor JM, it was like pulling teeth with D witnesses, and with so much he can't say, I give him credit. Must be very frustrating for him to know so many details and not be able to bring them up. I have a better understanding after watching a second time, just with ALV. Hope we find out more details after trial. Jury will be shocked if they discover all of the information that was not presented to them if they look online after this trainwreck is over.

[Bellaboo]

Since this thread was so slow I read transcripts of the police interrogation with Flores and the female.officer.on another site. JA asked to see the crime scene photos at least six times, three times to each detective.
Also Darryl obviously was misrepresenting in his testimony (well actually lying). I also believe t h e penis pictures are his because since all you could see was his hands and the fingers in the penis photos clearly are his.

[Metis212]

Since this thread was so slow I read transcripts of the police interrogation with Flores and the female.officer.on another site. JA asked to see the crime scene photos at least six times, three times to each detective.
Also Darryl obviously was misrepresenting in his testimony (well actually lying). I also believe t h e penis pictures are his because since all you could see was his hands and the fingers in the penis photos clearly are his.

Welcome bellaboo! Will you kindly give us a link to the penis photos with darryl's hands and fingers so we might see what you are talking about?

[Metis212]

deleted a double post.

[Angiebla]

Welcome bellaboo! Will you kindly give us a link to the penis photos with darryl's hands and fingers so we might see what you are talking about?

I personally think she wanted to see the pics so she could tailor her fake story to match the forensic evidence. I think she got the idea of 2 people committing the crime from Flores in their original phone convo.