Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[wasthinking]

Exactly-she couldn't even respect his wishes to leave him alone while he was showering. Those issues probably stemmed from his horrific childhood. Travis is the real victim here.

omg Are you actually saying that everyone that enjoys privacy for a shower has issues that stem from childhood?!

Don't forget. He told her to clear out her voicemail without saying PLEASE. Oh, the horror!

I was watching her interview with the lady cop. She claims Travis was really particular about his showers. He wanted to always shower in private. That leads me to believe he did not know she was taking photos of him before she killed him. Why would he switch that day and allow her to do that? Doesn't make sense.

hum
Problem here is you now decide to believe a liar?
On a part of a fabricated story she lied about?

[Wishmich]

I wasn't going to mention it, but I just became a new member 2 days ago and my first post, I think, someone corrected my spelling right away. My keys are sticking on my keyboard and I have to keep going back to correct, but I didn't notice it that time. I was a little offended when I was corrected, especially being my first or second post. So thanks for mentioning that.

Oh geez. What a welcome, huh? If someone is going to be anal enough to bitch about spelling, then they really should be on the Webster's forum. Anyway, welcome!!!! Ignore the spelling nazis. It's their problem, not yours. I'd rather hear your thoughts than worry about your spelling or typing.

On the shower/photo issue: Even if they stipulated she didn't have a weapon, if Travis was specifically private when it came to showering, then what I'm thinking happened was that she startled him and he knew this wasn't the normally crazy Jodi standing there. This was intense crazy Jodi. She probably was screaming at him and telling him to SIT AND LISTEN TO HER. He was vulnerable, being naked and self-conscious about showering anyway. Plus, he knew she could be unstable. She didn't have to have a weapon in her hand. If you've ever seen someone flip out, it's scary in and of itself.

[Bellaboo]

I think she used the flash to temporarily blind him. I do no t believe it was a photo shoot that he wanted.
She is a depraved creature .. she even told Det Flores when he mentioned the shower pictures that she did not think he would have allowed that
Cannot do the quote thing .. not sure if it's my kindle or the feed

[*crickets*]

Let's not forget the money. They both loaned money back and forth but he did empty her bank account. He had a history of borrowing money from women. Then the jealousy and control as he tried to poison her advances on other men in his company.

Did he take advantage of a woman with obvious relationship and attachment issues, and an untreated severe personality disorder?

Coconut,

Her bank account was already empty when she met TA--her savings were tied up in the house she and Darryl bought, and were lost when they defaulted on the mortgage.

As to the rest, it was a toxic relationship for both if them. They took advantage of each other. He is the one who ended up dead and left to rot in the shower.

I call BS on you leaving out the line in my post that says there is no evidence that shows she was anything but angry when she killed him and nothing to justify the murder as self-defense. (Still love ya though...I think...)

[lisam2013]

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[Angiebla]

omg Are you actually saying that everyone that enjoys privacy for a shower has issues that stem from childhood?!

hum
Problem here is you now decide to believe a liar?
On a part of a fabricated story she lied about?

No was thinking I'm not saying EVERYTHING stemmed from his childhood-just his issues with the bathroom. He said so himself in his blog he was afraid to shower/use the bathroom because his mother accused him of peeing on the floor and beat the shit out of him.

[wasthinking]

Well unfortunately, the jury has now heard a stipulation by both parties that she didn't have a gun or a knife in her hands when the last face pic was taken. So if anyone on the jury was thinking about that theory they might doubt that now because of that....
How else would she have gotten him to sit down for that pic, without a weapon on him (most likely the gun) ?

hi, I've been thinking about this since I saw the Judge actually ruled the eye nonsense was junk science that couldn't come in. You make a great point and I think Juan made a great error. Why he would stipulate we don't know but on just the 'eye' day, it was senseless to eliminate the 'possible' in any jurors mind with this limitation that seems to have no important reason behind making it.

[wasthinking]

No was thinking I'm not saying EVERYTHING stemmed from his childhood-just his issues with the bathroom. He said so himself in his blog he was afraid to shower/use the bathroom because his mother accused him of peeing on the floor and beat the shit out of him.

you are misreprenting his story and embellishing to form something that it never indicated. He never said he was afraid of the bathroom, or the shower or that she 'beat the shit' out of him.

He reported AS A BOY one incident and fear of the BATH. He never reported that incident impacted him passed his boyhood. He obviously did not grow into a dirty man afraid to cleanse himself and a bathtub and shower are not the same.

[Iluvsam]

Let's not forget the money. They both loaned money back and forth but he did empty her bank account. He had a history of borrowing money from women. Then the jealousy and control as he tried to poison her advances on other men in his company.

Did he take advantage of a woman with obvious relationship and attachment issues, and an untreated severe personality disorder?

We are in full troll mode tonight aren't we?
I wonder sometimes if you do this just to stir the forum and so people can start arguing, or what is the purpose of bringing all these absurd claims to a forum that clearly supports Travis and despises that psycho killer.

[Angiebla]

you are misreprenting his story and embellishing to form something that it never indicated. He never said he was afraid of the bathroom, or the shower or that she 'beat the shit' out of him.

He reported AS A BOY one incident and fear of the BATH. He never reported that incident impacted him passed his boyhood. He obviously did not grow into a dirty man afraid to cleanse himself and a bathtub and shower are not the same.

Im sorry if I offended you in some way, and you feel the need to be rude to me. I can't prove that his privacy in the shower issue directly stemmed from him childhood, but it is a possibility. I do not wish to argue with you regarding this matter.

[wasthinking]

We are in full troll mode tonight aren't we?
I wonder sometimes if you do this just to stir the forum and so people can start arguing, or what is the purpose of bringing all these absurd claims to a forum that clearly supports Travis and despises that psycho killer.

coconut is as entitled to bring ANY opinion they have.
Who deemed this only a proTravis forum for you? You might want to check with Mike the owner since you aren't a moderator here if you think only those thats agree w everything in your own opinion counts as being qualified for discussion here.

Or try reading the rules.

[wasthinking]

Im sorry if I offended you in some way, and you feel the need to be rude to me. I can't prove that his privacy in the shower issue directly stemmed from him childhood, but it is a possibility. I do not wish to argue with you regarding this matter.

huh? You being wrong doesn't offend me at all. You were incorrect and I gave the facts, that to you is arguing?

[Iluvsam]

coconut is as entitled to bring ANY opinion they have.
Who deemed this only a proTravis forum for you? You might want to check with Mike the owner since you aren't a moderator here if you think only those thats agree w everything in your own opinion counts as being qualified for discussion here.

Or try reading the rules.

One of the reasons I like this forum is that we can have intelligent discussions with facts that support them. When we start bringing absurd claims without any proof with no apparent reason but to create arguments, then I cannot stay quiet. You are totally right that we all are entitled to our opinions, but that doesn't give us the right to say whatever we want. Specially when the internet is already full of sites like the Jodi Arias supporters full of people without apparent common sense.
What surprises me is that sometimes Coconut brings interesting facts to this forum and then he goes and comments something like "Then the jealousy and control as he tried to poison her advances on other men in his company."
And as you said, I am also entitled to my opinion and that is why I wrote the past post.

[AnnieBelle]

To put into context, this post was in response to the statement "Show me some evidence he abused her". He did all these things, plus verbal abuse as evidenced by the emails, IMs etc. Yes she probably did plenty to aggravate him, nonetheless it is clear he could be quite a dick at times. There is no evidence of any physical abuse, or anything that would have made her fear losing her life the day she killed him. She wasn't terrified, she was furious.

She always had the option of saying "fuck off, asshole" and walking away. Instead she stabbed him 27 times and slit his throat. Has the jury seen anything that could justify that? I don't think so...

I agree! Jodi allowed herself to become the doormat of Travis. In fact, she was foolish enough to keep coming back for more. I feel no pity for her. She was an idiot.

[Iluvsam]

Is it true that today there was a hearing? do we have any news about this?

[Brillig]

Let's not forget the money. They both loaned money back and forth but he did empty her bank account. He had a history of borrowing money from women. Then the jealousy and control as he tried to poison her advances on other men in his company.

Did he take advantage of a woman with obvious relationship and attachment issues, and an untreated severe personality disorder?

We have only Jodi's word that she lent him money. And even if she did, she chose to do so. HE did not "empty her bank account" (if it even happened) SHE did. She was a grown woman, if she could not afford to lend him money, she should not have done so.

And I don't see how you can imagine Travis should have been able to diagnose Jodi's BPD? He was not a therapist or an expert in that field. That is an unreasonable standard to hold him to.

I think she used the flash to temporarily blind him. I do no t believe it was a photo shoot that he wanted.

I think this is possible. That pic (the only one with the flash on) was the second to last before the ceiling shot. However, I also think it is possible that she knew she was about to start the killing, and intentionally took one 'good' photo... as a sort of goodbye. To memorialize him, as Jodi might say.

I agree that it was not a photo shoot that he asked for (as Jodi claims), but I also don't think she crept in and did it without his knowledge or with him at gunpoint. I think Jodi wheedled him into doing it, by claiming that his buff new bod looked "so hot" and it would be like some artistic Calvin Klein photo shoot she always wanted to do. Even if he was not super enthusiastic, it might have seemed easier to give in than keep listening to her.

[Iluvsam]

We have only Jodi's word that she lent him money. And even if she did, she chose to do so. HE did not "empty her bank account" (if it even happened) SHE did. She was a grown woman, if she could not afford to lend him money, she should not have done so.

And I don't see how you can imagine Travis should have been able to diagnose Jodi's BPD? He was not a therapist or an expert in that field. That is an unreasonable standard to hold him to.



I think this is possible. That pic (the only one with the flash on) was the second to last before the ceiling shot. However, I also think it is possible that she knew she was about to start the killing, and intentionally took one 'good' photo... as a sort of goodbye. To memorialize him, as Jodi might say.

I agree that it was not a photo shoot that he asked for (as Jodi claims), but I also don't think she crept in and did it without his knowledge or with him at gunpoint. I think Jodi wheedled him into doing it, by claiming that his buff new bod looked "so hot" and it would be like some artistic Calvin Klein photo shoot she always wanted to do. Even if he was not super enthusiastic, it might have seemed easier to give in than keep listening to her.

Now that you guys are mentioning the issue with the camera flash, that brings something I always wondered: During testimony with the photo expert (the one who recovered the pics), Martinez several times asked him about the light in the pictures, and also asked him for the differences in brightness in some of them, and I couldn't figure out what was the point of doing that. Now I understand where he was going. I wonder if he will mention this possibility in closing, although I don't think he will as it is only a theory that she used the flash to blind him.

[blighted star]

[QUOTE=smashie;3394917]OFF Topic: I'm so dating myself here...but...If you went to grade school in the 70's ALOT was taught as a compound word of 'a lot'. Just as, alright was used for all right. It has not been an acceptable "word" for a few decades now, but it is common for people to continue to write that because of habit/and or education



This is a bit late but.. re. A LOT/ALOT

THANKYOU!thankyou!thankyou!! I thought I was going completely mad! I saw someone else corrected when I first joined mds, & ran for my Macquarie Dictionary to see if it was true - because my finnicky, pedantic little brain was screaming "Noooo, it can't BE!!!!" But apparently it was.

I thought I'd been spelling it incorrectly my whole life. Now I discover it was just the word world shifting again & I'd completely missed it. I try to use the newer spelling to make sure I don't set off anyone else's spelling antennae, but using "a lot" makes mine TWITCH HORRIBLY. It's been bothering me ever since - but now I understand why!

Disclaimer - this doesn't mean I read posts & pick apart grammar & spelling. MY incorrect spelling bugs ME , & I have enough of a history of insanely bad instances of non-grammar etc to leave me without a leg to stand on if I ever picked at anyone else.

Oh, & alright's still ok? Isn't it?

[coconut]

We are in full troll mode tonight aren't we?
I wonder sometimes if you do this just to stir the forum and so people can start arguing, or what is the purpose of bringing all these absurd claims to a forum that clearly supports Travis and despises that psycho killer.

You are welcome to disagree. But it's a lot more fun if you base your disagreement on some actual points of discussion, instead of attacking me personally, so we can learn and understand more about the case.

Not that I should have to for anyone who's followed the trial, but I'll review my "absurd claims", all based on testimony:

1. Personality/Attachment Disorder: prosecution witness expert conclusion
2. Travis jealousy: his own emails and words about these other men (Abe, John, Steve, Ryan)
3. Money: Travis massive business loan from Deanna never paid back, prosecution never contested the Jodi financials about overdrawn account, so it's as good as true at this point, multiple texts from Travis asking for money, Flores saying Travis was in financial trouble...

My purpose is forming a full and clear picture of the people involved in the case. Blind groupthink "clearly supporting Travis and despising that psycho killer" sounds utterly pointless to me. If that's your flavor, hit the ignore button on me and it will be a much smoother ride for you, cupcake.

[*crickets*]

We are in full troll mode tonight aren't we?
I wonder sometimes if you do this just to stir the forum and so people can start arguing, or what is the purpose of bringing all these absurd claims to a forum that clearly supports Travis and despises that psycho killer.

To keep the discussion lively and interesting maybe? I don't know about you but I get bored as hell reading page after page of 'Yay Juan!' and 'Boo Wilmott!' and 'Nurmi is fat!" and 'I hate Jodi!' on and on and ooonnnnnnn....

[Bellaboo]

We have only Jodi's word that she lent him money. And even if she did, she chose to do so. HE did not "empty her bank account" (if it even happened) SHE did. She was a grown woman, if she could not afford to lend him money, she should not have done so.

And I don't see how you can imagine Travis should have been able to diagnose Jodi's BPD? He was not a therapist or an expert in that field. That is an unreasonable standard to hold him to.



I think this is possible. That pic (the only one with the flash on) was the second to last before the ceiling shot. However, I also think it is possible that she knew she was about to start the killing, and intentionally took one 'good' photo... as a sort of goodbye. To memorialize him, as Jodi might say.

I agree that it was not a photo shoot that he asked for (as Jodi claims), but I also don't think she crept in and did it without his knowledge or with him at gunpoint. I think Jodi wheedled him into doing it, by claiming that his buff new bod looked "so hot" and it would be like some artistic Calvin Klein photo shoot she always wanted to do. Even if he was not super enthusiastic, it might have seemed easier to give in than keep listening to her.

You know what gets me is that he did look good in his photos ... he looks trim as he had been working ouT.
Then she butchers him and leaves him to decompose in his shower. I am stunned by how angry this case makes me .
This young man overcame so much to suffer such a horrible fate.

And you are m y favorite poster because you always post with so much class

[Iluvsam]

...If that's your flavor, hit the ignore button on me and it will be a much smoother ride for you, cupcake.

Done, sweetness.

[Iluvsam]

To keep the discussion lively and interesting maybe? I don't know about you but I get bored as hell reading page after page of 'Yay Juan!' and 'Boo Wilmott!' and 'Nurmi is fat!" and 'I hate Jodi!' on and on and ooonnnnnnn....

Im with you on that one.

[Brillig]

We are in full troll mode tonight aren't we?
I wonder sometimes if you do this just to stir the forum and so people can start arguing, or what is the purpose of bringing all these absurd claims to a forum that clearly supports Travis and despises that psycho killer.

Actually, there are several people who post regularly and have somewhat similar opinions. Nothing wrong with that. As long as someone does not endlessly beat the same dead horse for a hundred posts, I'm good. Thankfully, coconut chooses a new horse daily, sometimes several.

Debate makes life interesting. It stimulates the brain. Plus, coconut often makes me clarify my own data and views, if only so I can't point out how flawed his are.

Even within the "Jodi is scum" believers, there are numerous different opinions on the details. I like seeing all the different views, and some of them have even made me rethink my own views because they made such excellent points and backed them up with sound reasoning or data I had not considered.

If we all agreed on everything all the time, this forum would be pretty boring. "I sure hate Jodi", "I hate her too", "I also hate her!". Having a lovely coconut or two (or several) to stir the pot makes everything more interesting. Variety is the spice of life!

[Wishmich]

You are welcome to disagree. But it's a lot more fun if you base your disagreement on some actual points of discussion, instead of attacking me personally, so we can learn and understand more about the case.

Not that I should have to for anyone who's followed the trial, but I'll review my "absurd claims", all based on testimony:

1. Personality/Attachment Disorder: prosecution witness expert conclusion
2. Travis jealousy: his own emails and words about these other men (Abe, John, Steve, Ryan)
3. Money: Travis massive business loan from Deanna never paid back, prosecution never contested the Jodi financials about overdrawn account, so it's as good as true at this point, multiple texts from Travis asking for money, Flores saying Travis was in financial trouble...

My purpose is forming a full and clear picture of the people involved in the case. Blind groupthink "clearly supporting Travis and despising that psycho killer" sounds utterly pointless to me. If that's your flavor, hit the ignore button on me and it will be a much smoother ride for you, cupcake.

1. Yeah, so she has a personality/attachment disorder. A layman can figure that one out in five minutes. What's your point?
2. I've been jealous when someone I've been in a relationship with shoves it in my face. Do I butcher someone? Not yet.
3. Money. If he owed her so much money, why didn't he just give her the BMW and be square?