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Thread: Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeebee View Post
    Watching the end again, De marte just said "signs of psychopathology were present".
    Which I totally just misunderstood, it just means she had some sort of psychological dysfunction - so never mind, nothing to see here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian 1 View Post
    Yes! And this connects to the Prosecutor's focus on the picture of Travis being clean-shaven in the shower and all the preceeding seemingly irrelevant, (to some) questions about him shaving. In recounting the alleged rope/sex encounter told by Jodi Arias, she added the validating detail that she asked Travis to stop because his 'beard' was irritating her down there and she wasn't enjoying it. Arias stated that Travis did not shave between the time of the rope-sex and the time that the face shot was taken in the shower. The shower picture showed that Travis was relatively clean-shaven. Therefore, if he didn't have the heavy stubble when he was allegedly performing the rope/sex trick, there was no beard to chafe Arias 'down there' and, therefore, that validating detail was a lie, as was the whole episode. Therefore, there was no rope and no knife accidentally close-at-hand for Arias to conveniently grab and stab Travis during her self-defense fog.

    So the focus by the Prosecutor on the state of Travis's facial hair was not a distracting detail. It was integral to disproving Arias's lies and served to support the allegations of premeditation. There was no rope. There was a knife. It was brought to the scene by Arias and it was brought there for the specific purpose of attacking and murdering Travis Alexander.

    That's how I recall the testimony. Is it accurate?
    or he could have shaved in the shower maybe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImBatman! View Post
    Yes not psychopathy...
    Yeah, I got excited and then figured that out LOL whoops!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImBatman! View Post
    Yes not psychopathy...
    What is the difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by poppym View Post
    Diane Downs IQ 125
    Another crazy Arizona bitch
    "...Jeffrey Dahmer... actually confessed and accepted his punishment. Had real remorse for the sick things he did. It's pretty bad when Jeffrey Dahmer is a better person than you are." ~Justice11 (re: Jodi Arias)

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeebee View Post
    Yeah, I got excited and then figured that out LOL whoops!
    I think they shaved at the same time, before the pictures were taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smurfy View Post
    What is the difference?
    Psychopathy (or anti-social personality disorder) is a specific diagnosis. Psychopathology just means the bitch has got problems.
    "...Jeffrey Dahmer... actually confessed and accepted his punishment. Had real remorse for the sick things he did. It's pretty bad when Jeffrey Dahmer is a better person than you are." ~Justice11 (re: Jodi Arias)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian 1 View Post
    Yes! And this connects to the Prosecutor's focus on the picture of Travis being clean-shaven in the shower and all the preceeding seemingly irrelevant, (to some) questions about him shaving. In recounting the alleged rope/sex encounter told by Jodi Arias, she added the validating detail that she asked Travis to stop because his 'beard' was irritating her down there and she wasn't enjoying it. Arias stated that Travis did not shave between the time of the rope-sex and the time that the face shot was taken in the shower. The shower picture showed that Travis was relatively clean-shaven. Therefore, if he didn't have the heavy stubble when he was allegedly performing the rope/sex trick, there was no beard to chafe Arias 'down there' and, therefore, that validating detail was a lie, as was the whole episode. Therefore, there was no rope and no knife accidentally close-at-hand for Arias to conveniently grab and stab Travis during her self-defense fog.

    So the focus by the Prosecutor on the state of Travis's facial hair was not a distracting detail. It was integral to disproving Arias's lies and served to support the allegations of premeditation. There was no rope. There was a knife. It was brought to the scene by Arias and it was brought there for the specific purpose of attacking and murdering Travis Alexander.

    That's how I recall the testimony. Is it accurate?
    Yes, that's how i remember it.
    "...Jeffrey Dahmer... actually confessed and accepted his punishment. Had real remorse for the sick things he did. It's pretty bad when Jeffrey Dahmer is a better person than you are." ~Justice11 (re: Jodi Arias)

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    Quote Originally Posted by smurfy View Post
    What is the difference?
    Psychopathology is the study of mental disorders and there are types of psychopathogy...depression, bipolar, Psychopathy.
    "Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; They listen with the intent to reply." ~ anonymous
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeebee View Post
    Psychopathy (or anti-social personality disorder) is a specific diagnosis. Psychopathology just means the bitch has got problems.
    well we already know that. heh

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    Quote Originally Posted by dizzyp View Post
    Maricopa County Pink jumpsuit, I believe :)
    black and white stripes.Men wear pink

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeebee View Post
    Psychopathy (or anti-social personality disorder) is a specific diagnosis. Psychopathology just means the bitch has got problems.
    Quote Originally Posted by ImBatman! View Post
    Psychopathology is the study of mental disorders and there are types of psychopathogy...depression, bipolar, Psychopathy.
    Thank you!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by olgasbunghole View Post
    Hmmmmmmm.........."coconut"........ as in....... pro defense on the inside but pro prosecution on the outside
    Actually he's more pro defense on the outside but pro prosecution on the inside. Our Coconut likes to be the Devil's Advocate.

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    Figuratively AND literally! I believe the sharpest knife in the drawer is the one that ended up in the desert, covered in blood.
    That would be but it's true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M Joy View Post
    well we already know that. heh
    No joke!
    "...Jeffrey Dahmer... actually confessed and accepted his punishment. Had real remorse for the sick things he did. It's pretty bad when Jeffrey Dahmer is a better person than you are." ~Justice11 (re: Jodi Arias)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImBatman! View Post
    Psychopathology is the study of mental disorders and there are types of psychopathogy...depression, bipolar, Psychopathy.
    What she said.
    I was about to post the same thing. I think Dr Demarte will get more specific after lunch!
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    Quote Originally Posted by *crickets* View Post
    The only thing that bothers me is the whole "I chose not to get licensed" until a year after graduation thing. Who does that and why would you? I sure as hell got mine as soon as I was out of school...had to get to work to pay off those student loans! Raises a little red flag for me, otherwise I think she seems very credible and IMPARTIAL. (I thought giving books to JA as both Dr. Dick and ALV did seemed to indicate a real lack of impartiality, and Dr. DeMarte confirmed that.)

    I've been looking forward to hearing her thoughts on Jodi's psychopathology for a long time and finally the day is here!
    I don't see it as any big flag, it was only a yr and the experience sounded like it was a very valuable opportunity. It obiviously worked to her great benefit, she ends up a director already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeebee View Post
    Psychopathy (or anti-social personality disorder) is a specific diagnosis. Psychopathology just means the bitch has got problems.
    HeeHee...is that in the DSM alongside 'Batshit Crazy'?

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    I don't think JW is going to blow a gasket because the DT has the results of Dr. Demarte's tests and evaluations and copies of her reports and they have already interviewed her too...nothing they are hearing is a surprise

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    Quote Originally Posted by dizzyp View Post
    that seems more accurate but damn... she hides it all so well, or do you see clues in her mannerisms?
    To me, her entire demeanor is different today. Her face though made-up looks "steeled" today. She's not as masked but hardened and her eyes are snake-like. Her drawing and writing shows agitation. Seething is the perfect word. Heck, she might even be blaming Travis today...

    DeMarte has youth, yes. Youth is not always a bad thing. Would you drive a new BMW or a 75 corvette (Samuels) or take a bus (Alyce)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasthinking View Post
    (wishing)) Def rests today



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    Low form of humor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImBatman! View Post
    Psychopathology is the study of mental disorders and there are types of psychopathogy...depression, bipolar, Psychopathy.
    7 out of 10 scales elevated! They need to start hunting for the other bodies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by *crickets* View Post
    The only thing that bothers me is the whole "I chose not to get licensed" until a year after graduation thing. Who does that and why would you? I sure as hell got mine as soon as I was out of school...had to get to work to pay off those student loans! Raises a little red flag for me, otherwise I think she seems very credible and IMPARTIAL. (I thought giving books to JA as both Dr. Dick and ALV did seemed to indicate a real lack of impartiality, and Dr. DeMarte confirmed that.)

    I've been looking forward to hearing her thoughts on Jodi's psychopathology for a long time and finally the day is here!
    Do you know if you need different licenses for different areas of practice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasthinking View Post
    I don't see it as any big flag, it was only a yr and the experience sounded like it was a very valuable opportunity. It obiviously worked to her great benefit, she ends up a director already.
    Maybe...but getting licensed wouldn't have prevented her from doing anything. Just seems odd to me...

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    Are we actually back from a break and going to start on time?! this is a first in awhile.

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    I plan on calling all the p words-Jodi's crazy brain.

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