Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[loonywop]

I thought so when I heard she took gas cans too. Very weird.

when I go to the desert we load up cans for our dirt bikes and quads.It's not wierd at all

[AnnieBelle]

Remember, she went to get dressed and Travis thought she was gone. I bet she had a backpack with the gun and knife. Took it into the bathroom so it would be handy in case one failed.

And we know this...because?

[Brillig]

He's the eye reflection whisperer.

Seriously? A stipulation about the eye reflection photo?

@WildAboutTrial

Judge is talking about the photo of the pupil and stating that #JodiArias was not holding a gun or knife in her hand when it was taken.

And court excused for the rest of the day.

Why in the fuck would the prosecution agree to this stipulation???

Better than having the expert testify.

So is the stipulation given so there is no testimony from "I see reflections" guy?

Yes.

Why would Judge announce stipulation but then no testimony about it? Did JM agree to stipulation to avoid the testimony? That I could see because the last picture taken of TA was of him seated in the shower, not the close up of his face.

Exactly.

She had plenty of time to get her knife ready based on the time sequence of the photos. No biggie on the stipulation then.

Yep



I missed all the excitement... my friend had a minor emergency, so I dashed over to her house to watch her toddler, which I am doing now.

I honestly don't think the stipulation matters. Mildly annoying, but not critical. Juan thought it was better to stipulate than to have the photo pic guy testify with his silly outline. Personally, I never thought Jodi took those pics while holding Travis at knifepoint or gunpoint. I always thought Jodi got Travis to sit down and then pulled out the knife. There is still plenty of time after the eyeball picture for Jodi to grab the knife and start attacking.

So I don't really see this as a setback. And since Juan never argued that Jodi took all those pictures at knifepoint or gunpoint, it is not as if he has to change his theory at this late date.

[faq_q]

I live in the desert and it's not common here. I just think that's pretty weird.

Agreed, it is however common to keep a gallon or two of water. Coming from California to here you would have plenty of places to purchase gas at.

[poppym]

I agree. Who cares who HLN says has a "win" today. Maybe they're trying to get on Nurmi's good side so he'll stop picking on them.

I agree Wasthinking, bring on rebuttal!!

I'm a bit annoyed that the defense didn't rest today so that means their case isn't done

Let the defense and HLN pee all over themselves over the stipulation.
JM has rebuttal with Wal-Mart and Tesoro to prove the 3rd gas can. He has Dr Demarte to bury what's left of Samuels and Alyce. He has evidence that Stabby's story of jumping on shelves to grab gun is bullshit and who knows what from his own computer expert.

Bring on rebuttal!

if hln is your moral compass on this case there's the start of the problem

Before I found this thread, I only had HLN for (one-sided) info and debate! Even though I would LMFAO during the CA case, especially at NG, it was a source!

So, THANK YOU ALL FOR RAISING THE BAR.

This time around (JA case) I'm hating JVM, and her stupid two sides of the argument crap (in case our viewers get as big a shock as

they did in the CA verdict???)!

I dont know. I was asking how they are going to tie this in w the judge's comments? Is the retina photo - meaning the enlarged photo of his retina, coming in?

They're not going to tie up the Judge's comments! Just going to leave the Jury dizzy!

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

I can't even figure out how someone could hold a camera like like that. What a joke.

I honestly don't think the stipulation matters. Mildly annoying, but not critical. Juan thought it was better to stipulate than to have the photo pic guy testify with his silly outline. Personally, I never thought Jodi took those pics while holding Travis at knifepoint or gunpoint. I always thought Jodi got Travis to sit down and then pulled out the knife. There is still plenty of time after the eyeball picture for Jodi to grab the knife and start attacking.

So I don't really see this as a setback. And since Juan never argued that Jodi took all those pictures at knifepoint or gunpoint, it is not as if he has to change his theory at this late date.

Completely agree!

[zeebee]

I missed what happened. So, does this mean the Bryan guy won't testify, the defense will use the retina image in their closing arguments?

Bryan guy won't be testifying, right. And since they stipulated that she is not holding a gun or knife when that pic was taken, there will be no need for them to presnt the close up of the eye as evidence.

I don't get why anyone is upset about this. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see how it makes a particle of difference whether she was holding a weapon at that particular time or not, it doesn't change anything that I can see. We have the exact same timeline as before that proves her self-defense story was impossible, as well as all the other evidence that disproves it (ME's testimony, bullet trajectory, closet.) And none of the premeditation evidence is affected either.

Please enlighten me if I'm missing something here...

I don't think you are, I agree.

[Cocopop]

She could have had the knife in a holster taped to her leg. Good thought.

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That is a great theory--- didn't they find a strip of duct tape in the laundry room? Originally people thought that's what was around Travis' right arm in the nudie pics, but it ended up being a bodybugg.
I don't recall ever hearing any testimony about that piece of tape being marked at the crime scene??

[Karlita]

The point of the gas cans is that she was calling OG for them at the end of May. She claimed she wasn't planning to go to Mesa - it was a last minute decision. I don't know how much desert is in the trip to Utah, I live on east coast and have never been to that area. I still can't get over the case of Costco water in the trunk. She said she was thirsty, but can you imagine how hot that water must have been? No mention of a cooler.

Plus I think I remember reading something on here about how many miles she could go on a full tank out of the CA border to Mesa and then up to Nevada and it was calculated that she needed the 3rd gas can in order to not have to stop at all in AZ.

[Metis212]

I wonder if they've already sent the jury home and we're just waiting around for nothing.

I bet they are let in to be immediately released.

Hope they aren't being let in...just to be told to go home...it won't be the first time that this has happened

Good call!

Interesting. Wonder why prosecution would agree to this? The judge to jury says one sentence then, that is all we have for you today. So ridiculous. I feel so bad for them. They are being used and abused.

It's never easy to be on a jury, even worse to be on a high profile murder trial. Hopefully it gives the jurors a lifetime pass for serving again.

So does this mean after all that waiting, that the defense got in that stipulation....but obviously JM can rebut.

Oh yeah!

Why not? it doesn't mean anything, the actual killing started minutes after that picture was taken, that doesn't mean that she wasn't hiding the knife and gun in her clothes, only that she hadn't in her hands

Exactly, Jodi could have dug the weapons out of her backpack which was in the bathroom, or got the knife from the nightstand or wiggled her nose to make both appear when she needed them.

I don't get it. I really don't. I say let them see the photo with the drawing and then point out that it could be a knife in the left hand.

I'm really confused by this decision. How in the world does it benefit the prosecution? Seems like a huge win for the defense. Would love to know where Martinez is going with this.

He is saving the state time and money instead of arguing silly evidence. Doesnt really matter in the scheme of things.

It's shit like this.....that starts to worry me about this trial. The jury can only reach a verdit based on the evidence presented without their own opinions and preconceived notions. The reason why Casey Anthony was set free...the penalties were too harsh, and the evidence was all circumstantial. God damn this trial!!!!
{sigh} It all seemed so "open and shut" in the beginning... I hope Juan's rebuttal case brings hope back into my life.

Dont worry.

Jaun has something up his sleeve. He wouldnt allow a stipulation like that unless he has something in mind, but what it is to me is the stranger part.

Cant wait to see Martinez rebuttal!

She got the gun and/or knife after that pic of Travis was taken but before the last pic of the ceiling was taken.

Agreed.

I'm sure the jury is scratching their heads, thinking "WTF was THAT all about?" The only one who really knows is Jodi. I think the defense wants that in there, as evidence of the premeditation theory. But, it proves nothing. Only that the weapons had to be pretty darned close at hand, because he is on the floor and bleeding heavily within a few minutes. So, that could actually be in FAVOR of the pre-med, as that brings the timeline in even more tightly.

Perhaps. But they are like us and will figure it out.

Oh I'm not worried about that. I am sure he has a good reason for agreeing to it.
How much time is there between 5:29:20 and the ceiling shot? I think there was plenty of time between those photos to retreive a weapon from wherever she had it. ETA: 5:31:14. Almost 2 minutes between those two photos.

Riiiiiiiight!

My best guess is that Juan stipulated that for the defense because the photo guy can't even prove that is the image of a person let alone a person with a knife or gun. It would not make sense to question the guy to death for either sides. Prosecution can't say it's Stabby with a knife or gun and defense can't say it is in fact even Stabby. Maybe I am indifferent but I think it was a good decision to keep us from that torture and let us get to rebuttal.

Right, why take the risk of further misinterpretation. Its a silly piece of evidence and doesnt matter.

I think it marvelous that the Judge ruled Martinez didn't intimidate Samuels or Alyce. That is the most ridiculous nonsense ever. EVER!

[AnnieBelle]

I don't get why anyone is upset about this. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see how it makes a particle of difference whether she was holding a weapon at that particular time or not, it doesn't change anything that I can see. We have the exact same timeline as before that proves her self-defense story was impossible, as well as all the other evidence that disproves it (ME's testimony, bullet trajectory, closet.) And none of the premeditation evidence is affected either.

Please enlighten me if I'm missing something here...

In my viewpoint, I see this as a way of magnifying the SHORT time between Jodi "snapping photos" of Travis (the one following the face shot still shows him sitting on the floor of the shower.....so he still hasn't started his linebacker practice, yet!) and his dead body being dragged only seconds later. That leaves very little time for Jodi to stumble around, as she claims she did, and find that elusive knife and gun. It makes her story seem all the more absurd, and just makes the scant time line stand out even stronger. I don't think this was a good move for the defense.....and I think it gives a leg up to the DA that Jodi HAD to have known precisely where those weapons were, and they would have been pretty much right at the scene. Pre-meditated, NOT on the fly.

[Karlita]

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That is a great theory--- didn't they find a strip of duct tape in the laundry room? Originally people thought that's what was around Travis' right arm in the nudie pics, but it ended up being a bodybugg.
I don't recall ever hearing any testimony about that piece of tape being marked at the crime scene??

Yes there was duck tape in the laundry room and I also dont recall it ever being discussed. Very well could have been from her, I would think though that in the 5 days before he was found that one of the roomies would have seen it on the floor and picked up....but then again neither of them noticed blood on the washer either. Maybe unless they did laundry they had no need to come and go that way.

[bermstalker]

^ snipped for space ^
That is a great theory--- didn't they find a strip of duct tape in the laundry room? Originally people thought that's what was around Travis' right arm in the nudie pics, but it ended up being a bodybugg.
I don't recall ever hearing any testimony about that piece of tape being marked at the crime scene??

The duct tape was NOT the body bug.
Here is the body bug


Here's the duct tape

[lorizfree]

This might sound like a very dumb question ( I am admitting it before I get attacked), but what difference does a 3rd gas can make? It has been established that she lied. Why would she need a 3rd can and what does it really mean, other than one more lie? Why did she fill it up? That was another question. She filled it up going back to CA from Utah. But why use the gas cans??

From my understanding, she took those gas cans, and bought another one on the way,so she wouldn't have any paper trail in Arizona. She may have been unsure whether she would have enough gas to go to AZ, then drive to Utah without buying more gas. The fact that she refilled those gas cans in Utah indicated me to that she did indeed use the gas in those cans, and filling them before returning them to Darryl full. I'm not sure why she needed to refill the 3rd gas can, but she apparently used the gas she put in it.

[ShellJett]

Yes there was duck tape in the laundry room and I also dont recall it ever being discussed. Very well could have been from her, I would think though that in the 5 days before he was found that one of the roomies would have seen it on the floor and picked up....but then again neither of them noticed blood on the washer either. Maybe unless they did laundry they had no need to come and go that way.

I have always wondered why no information about duct tape was given. I'm sure they tested for DNA and fingerprints, so they must not have found any. The only issue is that it is in the crime scene photos with no explanation for jury.

[HelloItsMe]

I don't get why anyone is upset about this. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see how it makes a particle of difference whether she was holding a weapon at that particular time or not, it doesn't change anything that I can see. We have the exact same timeline as before that proves her self-defense story was impossible, as well as all the other evidence that disproves it (ME's testimony, bullet trajectory, closet.) And none of the premeditation evidence is affected either.

Please enlighten me if I'm missing something here...

I agree. No reason to be upset about this.

The prosecution agreed to the stipulation that she is not HOLDING a gun or knife when that picture was taken. In fact, I doubt she was holding the knife at that moment anyway. Travis is looking directly at her; if he saw the knife he probably would have been able to defend himself better. Since Jodi received very minor injuries that day, I think he didn't see the knife coming until it was too late & the first stab wound must have been significant.

I do think she had the knife hidden on her body somewhere though.

[zeebee]

This might sound like a very dumb question ( I am admitting it before I get attacked), but what difference does a 3rd gas can make? It has been established that she lied. Why would she need a 3rd can and what does it really mean, other than one more lie? Why did she fill it up? That was another question. She filled it up going back to CA from Utah. But why use the gas cans??

She would need 3 cans total to make it across AZ without having to stop for gas at a gas station. The prosecution is trying to prove premeditation, and this is just one more piece to the puzzle. She was hiding the fact that she went to Arizona and she planned to hide that fact before she even left.

She had three gas cans so she wouldn't have to stop for gas. She also turned off her cell phone so it would not ping off of cell phone towers in AZ.

There is no reason for her to cover her trail via lack of receipts, cell phone records or photo/video evidence (from gas stations) if all she was doing is hiding the fact that she went to visit an ex-boyfriend from her friends. The only reason to do this is to hide this information from authorities.

[Wishmich]

when I go to the desert we load up cans for our dirt bikes and quads.It's not wierd at all

Jodi made no mention of dirt bikes or ATV's. So in her case, it's suspect.

[lisam2013]

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[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

From my understanding, she took those gas cans, and bought another one on the way,so she wouldn't have any paper trail in Arizona. She may have been unsure whether she would have enough gas to go to AZ, then drive to Utah without buying more gas. The fact that she refilled those gas cans in Utah indicated me to that she did indeed use the gas in those cans, and filling them before returning them to Darryl full. I'm not sure why she needed to refill the 3rd gas can, but she apparently used the gas she put in it.

Because Stabby, being so thrifty and all, couldn't resist filling up that 3rd can with cheaper Nevada gas to put in her Infiniti. She didn't put it in the rental car because she returned that empty and paid the fee for ding so.

[zeebee]

when I go to the desert we load up cans for our dirt bikes and quads.It's not wierd at all

If you have dirt bikes and quads maybe. If you're just driving from LA to Phoenix, yeah, kinda weird.

[gecko am]

The point of the gas cans is that she was calling OG for them at the end of May. She claimed she wasn't planning to go to Mesa - it was a last minute decision. I don't know how much desert is in the trip to Utah, I live on east coast and have never been to that area. I still can't get over the case of Costco water in the trunk. She said she was thirsty, but can you imagine how hot that water must have been? No mention of a cooler.

what do you guys think all the water was for??

[Ian 1]

Newbie here but wanted to jump in. Does anyone else think it is possible she had the knife stuck in her sock? She said she had cuts on her ankles and I can't imagine why else they would be there but then again maybe it was just a lie.

Either way, I don't think the stipulation helps the defense. The last picture was the one where you see hit butt/hip/leg. Maybe she was reaching for the knife when she took that one?

Y'all are fucking great here by the way!

Welcome!

Y'aint so bad yerself.

[zeebee]

Agreed, it is however common to keep a gallon or two of water. Coming from California to here you would have plenty of places to purchase gas at.

True.

[gecko am]

I'd think JM could easily turn his drawing against the defense...

Camera in right hand, weapon in left be it knife or gun.

Either Arias has wings or her left (strong) arm is raised above her shoulder bent or straight out.

I hate, hate, hate it when facts are withheld from the jury. Legal shenanigans. When it starts it handcuffs the jury, and juries are extremely handcuffed by the law and judges instructions.

Really surprised JM stipulated.

Awesome comparason. Perhaps she was reaching to the taped knife on her back.