Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[ShellJett]

I forgot about Dr Demarte. Looking for ward to that testimony!

I was so looking forward to Dr. Demarte's testimony but read that she will only be able to rebut what Samuels and ALV say. We may not hear a diagnosis of Stabby, but if we do it will be fascinating to watch her reaction. JM alluded to psych tests Samuels didn't give and I assume Demarte did administer tests, so her testimony should be very interesting even if it is limited. I anticipate sidebars galore.

[hatchan]

Thanks for the clarification helloagain, anyone else have more information about the possible outcomes of this trial?

Hello Everyone!! new to the forum!!!...

Welcome!

[ShellJett]

Good news for JA. FreeSamplesADay.com is offering a free sample of Astroglide lubricant today. For real.

Tweet her the information.

[hatchan]

An excellent summary of the case so far.

The question is, CAN Martinez let go of all the side dishes and focus on the main course? The defense team has given him so many distractions and lies to disprove or work on, it almost feels intentional! He seems so pissed off that he might just explode. That's the big challenge facing him for the rebuttal case - can he tie it all together clearly to show premeditated MURDER (not just covering her tracks), or will he blow his wad proving that Matt McCartney would lie for Jodi and that she had anal sex with more than one man?

guacamole is a side dish......

[Harlette]

re Bobby Juarez: is that 10 Dec 1977 or 12 Oct 1977?


That is Robert A Juarez, Pico Rivera, CA.

the best match I have found is this:

Name: Joseph Robert Juarez (1st names reversed)
Birth: 5 Jul 1978 - San Joaquin, California

but I haven't found a current listing for him. still researching.

btw: There's a woman in Hawaii that claims she was his girlfriend and that he abused her...
she has a photo of them together (he was an extra on the TV show "Lost" filmed in Hawaii) here's her YouTube page: http://www.youtube.com/user/missunbounded?feature=watch

idk if that is the same guy - also he didn't have a beard in "lost" - and he was only in 4 episodes as a bg actor playing one of the "others" - she is saying he lived in hawaii for 3 years - so i am still skeptical

[Brillig]

Good news for JA. FreeSamplesADay.com is offering a free sample of Astroglide lubricant today. For real.

Tweet her the information.

Then perhaps she can have Donovan tweet a reply with a pithy on point quote by Brigham Young?

[dizzyp]

idk if that is the same guy - also he didn't have a beard in "lost" - and he was only in 4 episodes as a bg actor playing one of the "others" - she is saying he lived in hawaii for 3 years - so i am still skeptical

I'm skeptical too...

[loonywop]

I remember reading a few post in the older thread-there were a few people on here (the older members) that thought the trial could end in a mistrial. That's very possible at this point, IMO. My biggest fear is that the longer this trial takes to finish, the more chance there is a mistrial. This trial really has turned into fuckery. The defense teams wants a mistrial bad. Not sure if a mistrial is that easy to get-but I suspect they will keep trying.


Even if they finish this trial, there is no doubt in MY mind- Jodi will have a good case for an appeal.

Have a good day everyone!!

As this trial comes to an end the desperation from the defence for a mistrial will only turn up the volume to get one.They are seeing the light at the end of the tunnel and it's a train.....

[loonywop]

It doesn't matter if she has money or not, if she is found guilty in the civil trial, and she is ordered to pay a substantial amount to Travis Family, that would mean that all her monetary gains (including those from her horrible "paintings") could go to Travis family. That is why I think it is important for them to consider the civil suit in case of an adverse verdict.

The level of perponderence in a civil case is much lower and they should do it that would be a sure fire way to have JA to stop painting for she would know the money from it would go to them.They would end up taking away something she likes doing.

[hatchan]

Love this post! To quote queenaevadamthng's sig, which I also love: "Theoretical physics can prove that an elephant can hang from a cliff with its tail tied to a daisy. But use your eyes, your common sense".... JIM GARRISON

"The difference between theory and reality is this:
In theory, there is no difference between the two. In reality, there is."

[Angiebla]

Ok I have a question for anyone who knows the answer: I have been interested in finding out if Stabby has ever taken an IQ test, and if so what the results were. I have searched high and low for the answer and the website JodiAriasisguilty.com claims she did take an IQ test and her score was 75 which is considered borderline retardation. If this is true wouldn't the defense have argued that although their clients intelligence level is above 70, that it was only slightly above, and her ability to make decisions is diminished?

[bermstalker]

Berm - I'm curious your reason(s) for thinking she will have a good case for appeal?
Thanks

Well, IMO, I think her attorneys are sub par. I think some evidence was let in that her attorneys never even objected to.

One example would be the kool-aid stained car. Why did they let JM bring that up? Why didn't they ask the state if they even tested the kool aid stain? They (the def) just let the Budget guy bring it up and once he did-nothing was ever said about the kool aid stain again. So in some weird way-they let the kool aid just float around without disputing it. If I was a juror, I would assume the kool aid was blood.

The budget guy said there was no floor mats in the car. The attorneys never even bought up the fact that the "check in" sheet doesn't list that it's missing floor mats. Jodi was never charged for missing floor mats (unless there is a sheet that I haven't seen)

The hair color argument is shaky at best. JM can't really prove it, and Nurmi hasn't disproved it. It's just floating around.

Those are a few right off the top of my head. Don't get me wrong, I believe Jodi planned to kill Travis. I think she dyed her hair, rented a plain car, and drove to kill Travis. Then I think everything she did afterwards was to provide herself with an alibi. We all know Jodi killed Travis. Brutally! The overkill of Travis proves it was not self defense. IMO, I believe this trial is about the life or death of Jodi....not the innocent or guilt of Jodi.

The state has a great case with a lot of proof (most would call it a slam dunk kind of case). BUT, the state has to prove everything they say. I know premeditation can come at anytime, but the issue the state *may* have with the jury is the photos of the "fun" Jodi and Travis had before he died. From some of the jury questions-there is somebody that thinks Jodi just snapped.

The bad things about Jodi's attorneys....they are way to worried about getting a mistrial instead of defending their client. They are so busy watching the jury, news, gallery...they don't pay attention to some of the things that the state says.

Those are just some of the reasons I think Jodi has a good case for an appeal (if she is found guilty) I don't think it will do any good-and I think if that happens it will be well in the LONG away future.
Hope that made sense?

[wasthinking]

here you go poppym




WATCH Willmott's shoulders cringe when killer comes up behind her

http://splicd.com/SZBMGUvyEIQ/1708/1711

[Freethinker]

Ok I have a question for anyone who knows the answer: I have been interested in finding out if Stabby has ever taken an IQ test, and if so what the results were. I have searched high and low for the answer and the website JodiAriasisguilty.com claims she did take an IQ test and her score was 75 which is considered borderline retardation. If this is true wouldn't the defense have argued that although their clients intelligence level is above 70, that it was only slightly above, and her ability to make decisions is diminished?

I don't know scores, but I'd guess it to be very much higher. Even if someone said it was 75, that wouldn't fly in court without a retest. The only way I'd see her with a score that low would be if she's a poor test taker. I've known people like that.

[gypsy1197]

here you go poppym




WATCH Willmott's shoulders cringe when killer comes up behind her

http://splicd.com/SZBMGUvyEIQ/1708/1711

OMG That's so funny! I'd have jumped out of my skin.

[wasthinking]

Next 2 wks schedule

4/15/2013 9:30 hearings 1:30 Trial
4/16/2013 9:30 Trial
4/17/2013 9:30 Trial
4/18/2013 9:30 Trial

No Trial Monday 4/22/2013
4/23/2013 9:30 Trial
4/24/2013 9:30 Trial
4/25/2013 9:30 Trial

Am I missing something? Why is she listing this 3X

1990-1993 Co-Chair, Association of Batterers Intervention Programs
1988-present Co-Chair, Association of Batterer?s Intervention Programs
1995-1997 Co-Chair, Association of Batterer?s Intervention Services

List from Alyces CV where she used 'testify' or 'testified'

2010 Expert Witness/Consultant. Divorce settlement involving abuse and addiction, testified at deposition
2009 Expert Witness/Consultant. Child Custody Case involving abuse and addiction. Prep case and testify.
2008 Expert Witness Criminal Case. Habeas Corpus appeal. Consult and testify for incarcerated battered woman.
2006 Expert Witness. Testified at Deposition, interviewed client, interviewed collateral sources, research regarding support to abused spouse.
2005 Testified before Gender Equity Department of Federal Government - Creating laws regarding Domestic Violence
2004 Expert Witness. Fitness hearing for Judge. Testified before Peer Review Panel.
2002 Expert Witness. Child Custody Case. Provided testimony on Efficacy of Batterers? Treatment Programs.

1999 Expert Witness. Testified in civil case explaining Battered Woman Syndrome and PTSD.
1997 Expert Witness, Child Custody Case. Testified about the nature of batterers and the importance of specific programs for abusers
1994 Expert Witness, Civil Case. Testified on generalized effects of fear and specific fear response in women. Case involved one neighbor attacking another.
1993 Expert Witness. Los Angeles Police Dept. Internal Affairs Board of Rights. Testified regarding the battered
1993 Expert Witness. Testified regarding symptoms of battered women?s syndrome, post-traumatic stress and hostage syndrome for District Attorney on misdemeanor spousal assault case.women syndrome and behavior of batterers.
1987-1988 Consultant/Expert Witness. First degree murder with special circumstances. Interviewed battered woman
who allegedly hired a hit man to kill her husband. Advised attorney of symptoms of battered wife
syndrome and testified for defense.

[BreachofTrust]

The level of perponderence in a civil case is much lower and they should do it that would be a sure fire way to have JA to stop painting for she would know the money from it would go to them.They would end up taking away something she likes doing.

I'm sure there's a civil attorney that will take their case for free too! Might as well close the money door on Miss Jodi. She doesn't deserve to profit off of anything!

[Freethinker]

Well, IMO, I think her attorneys are sub par. I think some evidence was let in that her attorneys never even objected to.

One example would be the kool-aid stained car. Why did they let JM bring that up? Why didn't they ask the state if they even tested the kool aid stain? They (the def) just let the Budget guy bring it up and once he did-nothing was ever said about the kool aid stain again. So in some weird way-they let the kool aid just float around without disputing it. If I was a juror, I would assume the kool aid was blood.

The budget guy said there was no floor mats in the car. The attorneys never even bought up the fact that the "check in" sheet doesn't list that it's missing floor mats. Jodi was never charged for missing floor mats (unless there is a sheet that I haven't seen)

The hair color argument is shaky at best. JM can't really prove it, and Nurmi hasn't disproved it. It's just floating around.

Those are a few right off the top of my head. Don't get me wrong, I believe Jodi planned to kill Travis. I think she dyed her hair, rented a plain car, and drove to kill Travis. Then I think everything she did afterwards was to provide herself with an alibi. We all know Jodi killed Travis. Brutally! The overkill of Travis proves it was not self defense. IMO, I believe this trial is about the life or death of Jodi....not the innocent or guilt of Jodi.

The state has a great case with a lot of proof (most would call it a slam dunk kind of case). BUT, the state has to prove everything they say. I know premeditation can come at anytime, but the issue the state *may* have with the jury is the photos of the "fun" Jodi and Travis had before he died. From some of the jury questions-there is somebody that thinks Jodi just snapped.

The bad things about Jodi's attorneys....they are way to worried about getting a mistrial instead of defending their client. They are so busy watching the jury, news, gallery...they don't pay attention to some of the things that the state says.

Those are just some of the reasons I think Jodi has a good case for an appeal (if she is found guilty) I don't think it will do any good-and I think if that happens it will be well in the LONG away future.
Hope that made sense?

I always wondered why no further discussion about Jodi's claims that sex calmed him down,( she claimed sex twice that afternoon) unless it would not have been good for JM to bring it up. I guess that would change things towards her snapping. But the defense never brought it up either. In that case, the defense could have used it to their advantage.

[poppym]

here you go poppym




WATCH Willmott's shoulders cringe when killer comes up behind her

http://splicd.com/SZBMGUvyEIQ/1708/1711

HA HA, That's what I thought!

At the start of her testimony, Sherry is smiling like, "Hello there sweet, spinstery lady. Have a seat. Take a load off."

At the end Sherry was like "Are you talking to me?"

Loving your work wt! ty!

And YES! I saw the Willmutt flinch! I would too! But court seems to theatre in this trial! Wonder what JW really feels!

[lisam2013]

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[Freethinker]

Next 2 wks schedule




Am I missing something? Why is she listing this 3X



List from Alyces CV where she used 'testify' or 'testified'

It reads she mostly testified with explanations of things, she did not testify for an actual person.

[Crazy Lady]

Sis Berm, I agree with everything you said. It appears if JW and Nurmi have split the responsibilities. He has JA and jury, she has experts and JA confidant. He doesn't seem to be paying attention to anything other than the jury and filing motions for mistrial. That is a huge problem.

I believe most of the jury is onboard. Once rebuttals start, hopefully JM will be able to clear up any questions that a sympathetic juror has. If not, their fellow jurors have the opportunity to bring them around during deliberations. I'm not concerned about a mistrial. I'm reasonably confident she will get murder one. I've learned not to have reasonable doubts though. We'll see.

I saw JM question ALV, he was aggressive in the beginning, in my opinion, reasonably so. She had just spewed nonsense,about everything other than the relationship between JA and Travis. Most of her testimony with JW was anecdotes about people or cases she read. WTH? Then right before JM got up to question ALV, she has the nerve to talk to Samantha. I'm sure that made him seethe. Not one person on here has ever defended her action. Yet, they question JM's actions when he has a personal relationship with Samantha. I think JM has fatherly feelings toward Travis's family. Sould he be able to be professional enought to set that aside? Perhaps. He feels responsible for getting them justice.

Thank you for your recaps! While I was sick, I depended on them. You rock!

[Freethinker]

HA HA, That's what I thought!

At the start of her testimony, Sherry is smiling like, "Hello there sweet, spinstery lady. Have a seat. Take a load off."

At the end Sherry was like "Are you talking to me?"

Loving your work wt! ty!

And YES! I saw the Willmutt flinch! I would too! But court seems to theatre in this trial! Wonder what JW really feels!

JW's body postures have been reflecting she doesn't want to be near nor converse with Jodi. She definitely keeps it to a minimum, turns away often. She puts up with it, the cameras are watching and so is the jury. I think Jodi gives her the creeps, but Jodi thinks otherwise.

[Crazy Lady]

Sorry for the typos, I'll fix them later. Also I accidentally deleted part of a sentence. It should read

I've learned how to not have unreasonable doubt, I do have tobe aware ofreasonable doubt. Or something like that. Sorry.

[Brillig]

Ok I have a question for anyone who knows the answer: I have been interested in finding out if Stabby has ever taken an IQ test, and if so what the results were. I have searched high and low for the answer and the website JodiAriasisguilty.com claims she did take an IQ test and her score was 75 which is considered borderline retardation. If this is true wouldn't the defense have argued that although their clients intelligence level is above 70, that it was only slightly above, and her ability to make decisions is diminished?

Jodi's IQ is not 75. That is barely above retarded.

She is at least of average intelligence, and I would guess she would probably score as at least slightly above average.