Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[Iluvsam]

So what the fuck went so wrong with Laviolette's testimony? Put aside your hatred and knee-jerk responses and think. On the surface she seems like a good choice. Folksy, easy to understand, experienced, well known in her field, published author. She had some decent evidence to work with, that would at least show emotional abuse and a volatile relationship.

Why did she take the case?

• Believed in Jodi's cause as an abused woman who was justified in striking back
• Felt Travis was an abuser and wanted to set the record straight
• Self promotion (could she have predicted the media interest? doubtful)
• Money
• Promote her view of domestic violence
• Conned by Jodi into doing something outside her boundaries

Why was she so rigid in her views of Jodi as victim and Travis as abuser?

• Believed Jodi was truly emotionally and physically abused
• Defense team kept her in the dark about contradictory evidence
• Jodi tricked her completely
• Paid for her views, so afraid to show any flexibility
• Unable to admit she was wrong in public
• Not actually an expert on domestic violence or testifying

Who takes the blame for this Titanic hitting the iceberg?

• Alyce? She was sloppy and unscientific, lied and covered up for Jodi
• Nurmi? He is a snake and did not prepare this witness
• Wilmott? Her direct exam and prep missed the mark
• Jodi? She lied and changed the facts on the people hired to
• Samuels? His faulty psych testing & eval contributed to the clusterfuck

What do you think?

I think we need to blame the defense, she looked completely unprepared and it is clear that they hide information from her. If you add that to the fact that she is pro-women and most likely she thinks all men are abusers, then you have this train wreck on the stand

[Mousy]

and I DID:

current listing:
Jennifer L Sussman
14xx S xxxxxx Pl
Tempe, AZ
Age: 30-34

See! Your findings run parallel with mine.

[wasthinking]

I think we need to blame the defense, she looked completely unprepared and it is clear that they hide information from her. If you add that to the fact that she is pro-women and most likely she thinks all men are abusers, then you have this train wreck on the stand

I disagree on the blame game. Alyce is well over 21 and sat up there freely, getting paid, for her BS.

[Lady MacBeth]

For those who have questions about impeachment :

impeaching a witness is not the same as impeaching a president.

Basically, in a trial setting, "impeaching a witness" means that the person cross-examining the witness is trying to demonstrate the person on the stand should not be believed by asking questions, for example, which would show that he/she is a lied about something, he/she is not qualified to state a certain opinion, he/she is biased, or been convicted of a crime involving truthfulness such as fraud.

If the attorney successfully impeaches a witness it is not ANNOUNCED. No one says "your impeached". it is not a "ruling" of the court.

its just a term to describe the result of a good cross examination. There is no "punishment" for being impeached (other than not being believed, looking like an idiot)

comprehende?

[Harlette]

There is absolutley no evidence Washington had a conflict because of Matt. Ugh, this rumor shit is so bad.
How would MATT, a California resident, even qualify for an AZ public defender when he was NEVER charged with anything IN AZ?

i need to find them again, but in pretrial hearing in arizona matt testified, and martinez proved he was lying and threatened to charge him w/ perjury and thats why he got a PD from arizona, and that is the conflict of interest that enabled washington to withdraw as jodi's counsel - and if i remember right, it ended up w/ jm telling him if he tried to testify for jodi w/ what he said in the pretrial, then he would throw matt in jail as soon as he walked in the coutroom

[wasthinking]

Someone asked pages ago if someone had a screenshot of JA's twitter account before she deleted tweets. Here's WAT's screen shot:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHoQ5o_CIAEMKnn.jpg:large


Source:
https://twitter.com/WildAboutTrial/s...409731/photo/1

Maybe WAT will end up providing it monday if JM didn't grab it for the hearing lol I'm kidding! If JM needs it to counter Stabby's motion he probably has it.

[wasthinking]

i need to find them again, but in pretrial hearing in arizona matt testified, and martinez proved he was lying and threatened to charge him w/ perjury and thats why he got a PD from arizona, and that is the conflict of interest that enabled washington to withdraw as jodi's counsel - and if i remember right, it ended up w/ jm telling him if he tried to testify for jodi w/ what he said in the pretrial, then he would throw matt in jail as soon as he walked in the coutroom

I'd be real curious to see any evidence. Especially of a prosecutor threatening a witness at a court hearing. Sounds like nonsense. He couldn't 'throw' someone in jail just for walking into a courtroom. He'd have to wait until the 'crime' was commited and file charges against him which takes time.

[Harlette]

I'd be real curious to see any evidence. Especially of a prosecutor threatening a witness at a court hearing. Sounds like nonsense. He couldn't 'throw' someone in jail just for walking into a courtroom. He'd have to wait until the 'crime' was commited and file charges against him which takes time.

i will see if i can find it again, but it was in pretrial hearings that matt committed perjury and martinez wanted to charge him, i am sure the last part was bluster, but i am sure if matt tried to tell the same story martinez would charge him w/ perjury in a hot minute, which might make him a perfect rebuttal witness, because you know now he is not going to lie for jodi any more

[wasthinking]

i will see if i can find it again, but it was in pretrial hearings that matt committed perjury and martinez wanted to charge him, i am sure the last part was bluster, but i am sure if matt tried to tell the same story martinez would charge him w/ perjury in a hot minute, which might make him a perfect rebuttal witness, because you know now he is not going to lie for jodi any more

I think it's hype Harlette. I am almost postive the hearing/ pretrial was sealed.

[loonywop]

There is absolutley no evidence Washington had a conflict because of Matt. Ugh, this rumor shit is so bad.
How would MATT, a California resident, even qualify for an AZ public defender when he was NEVER charged with anything IN AZ?

that's what i read.I've got to dig for it

[dizzyp]

No offense dizzy but, YOU meaning a poster just saying it doesn't make it fact. Where's the proof? what are you basing that on in other words. I can see locating marriage or birth records, but what is proof of where they lived?

I'm basing it on verified public records that I have access to including voter registration, phone directories, birth, marriage, divorce, death records. etc I don't post something that I am not sure of. I spent a fair amount of time researching this.

[Iluvsam]

I disagree on the blame game. Alyce is well over 21 and sat up there freely, getting paid, for her BS.

Oh believe me, I agree with you, she is also to blame, but I think for the most part Willmott and Nurmi are to blame for hers and Dr. Samuels horrible testimony. It is unbelievable that they allowed Samuels to testify even if they knew he based his diagnosis on Jodi's second lie. It is also unbelievable they allowed LaViolette to testify when she did not have all the facts. Hell!! she didn't even see Jodi's father interview!

[dizzyp]

Quote Originally Posted by wasthinking View Post
No offense dizzy but, YOU meaning a poster just saying it doesn't make it fact. Where's the proof? what are you basing that on in other words. I can see locating marriage or birth records, but what is proof of where they lived?
I'm basing it on verified public records that I have access to including voter registration, phone directories, birth, marriage, divorce, death records. etc I don't post something that I am not sure of. I spent a fair amount of time researching this.

I'm basing it on verified public records that I have access to including voter registration, phone directories, birth, marriage, divorce, death records. etc I don't post something that I am not sure of. I spent a fair amount of time researching this.

I won't post the actual records publicly but if you want documentation of something specific I could PM it.

[*crickets*]

Well, we've pretty much seen the defense's entire case, unless there's still one more 'mystery' witness. Where do we stand at this point?

First, I think one more person can be added to the list of:

JODI IS THE WORST THING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED TO ME (most to least recent)

1) Alyce LaViolette
2) Richard Samuels
3) Judge Sherry Stevens
4) the 18 jurors in this case
5) Kirk Nurmi
6) the family of Travis Alexander
7) Travis Alexander

Also, I guess Deanna Reid is not going to be heard from. I know the jurors are wondering about her since they asked questions about whether any of Travis's ex GFs experienced abuse, and they were together for 7 years. I can only speculate there was no abuse, or the defense would have called her, and the only reason I can think that the pros. wouldn't call her is she might have some not-so-good things to say about Travis (unrelated to abuse) that would have come out in cross exam, that Martinez felt could potentially outweigh the benefits of her testimony.

Of course there is also Matt McCartney, the only person to have actually 'seen' evidence of Jodi's abuse (neck bruises). The jury must be wondering why they have not heard from him, since questions were also asked about that, and Alyce said his name in her answers. We know why he is not on the witness list, as he publicly stated he was prepared to lie for her (and of course, there was NO physical abuse.)

I think the multiple jury questions about why Alyce believed what Jodi said and wrote when Jodi has been caught in so many lies, and questioning Alyce's biases ('how many men have you ever defended?') show lots of skepticism about Alyce's conclusions as well as her history and body of work. I was surprised by that as I hadn't expected the jurors to have known anything about her.

All in all it seems like a very attentive and knowledgeable jury, and things are not looking so good for our girl Jodi...

[wasthinking]

I'm basing it on verified public records that I have access to including voter registration, phone directories, birth, marriage, divorce, death records. etc I don't post something that I am not sure of. I spent a fair amount of time researching this.

You probably did, but don't take offense that my own conscience won't add to it without my own proof before my eyes.
Personally I wouldn't bring them in at all, they are innocent in this mess.

[helloagain]

I'd be real curious to see any evidence. Especially of a prosecutor threatening a witness at a court hearing. Sounds like nonsense. He couldn't 'throw' someone in jail just for walking into a courtroom. He'd have to wait until the 'crime' was commited and file charges against him which takes time.

i will see if i can find it again, but it was in pretrial hearings that matt committed perjury and martinez wanted to charge him, i am sure the last part was bluster, but i am sure if matt tried to tell the same story martinez would charge him w/ perjury in a hot minute, which might make him a perfect rebuttal witness, because you know now he is not going to lie for jodi any more

I think it's hype Harlette. I am almost postive the hearing/ pretrial was sealed.

Yes, perjury. The pre-trial hearings may have been sealed, but Matt McCartney himself stated he would lie for Jodi on JAII, which I think has since been removed. I'm sure it's all in the old thread. Here's what I found with a quick google search

Justice11
Something is up with the defense witness Matthew McCartney.

I was reading some of the court minutes dated 8/10/2011 and I saw this:
"Advisory Counsel, Victoria Washington addresses possible issues with witness, Matthew McCartney as stated on the record."

Is Matthew McCartney the reason Victoria Washington was eventually replaced?

Also this:
I was reading on the awful site "Jodi Arias is innocent" a while back and there was a post from someone only identified as mm (at that time) and this is what he wrote:"mm says:
January 3, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Jason, I like how direct you are. What am I?

1. I am a man with a family who comes first. Yes even before Jodi.
Your right Jason they will pay for the plane ticket but nothing else. My job may not be waiting for me when I get back. My first obligation is to my family.

2. I was asked if I would lie for Jodi. I said yes. So yes, that makes a me liar. That?s probably why they haven?t called me."The above is found in the comment section on this page :http://jodiariasisinnocent.com/jodi-...s-is-innocent/

This was written in response to someone who asked why he wasn't testifying for the defense. Later, the site reposted his comment with a title of Matt McCartney (comment re-post) http://jodiariasisinnocent.com/matt-...i-arias-trial/ , thus identifying mm as Matt McCartney.

So...the defense has a witness on their list who has said on this website that he would lie for Jodie. I'm surprised the idiots at that website haven't deleted those posts yet. I took screenshots in case they do.

What do you all think? Who is this Matt McCartney guy?

This post from Justice11 dated Jan 28, 2013 9:04PM
http://mydeathspace.com/vb/printthre...pp=25&page=524

I had read elsewhere that Washington withdrew due to a conflict with Matt McCartney but I don't remember where I read it or what it was, if not this.

[loonywop]

I'd be real curious to see any evidence. Especially of a prosecutor threatening a witness at a court hearing. Sounds like nonsense. He couldn't 'throw' someone in jail just for walking into a courtroom. He'd have to wait until the 'crime' was commited and file charges against him which takes time.

martinez threatened him with purgery charges.

[Morticia]

"We do know that when Lava got divorced, her children went to live with their father."



I'm a genealogist... I have researched her family for background. AL was married in 1967 divorced in 1980. Her husband remarried 5 months after the divorce was final. The children DID move with their father to Nor Cal (I have no way of knowing if that was via court order or not)

I think I saw you post this at some earlier time in this thread or the last. Thanks!

[wasthinking]

Quote Originally Posted by wasthinking View Post
No offense dizzy but, YOU meaning a poster just saying it doesn't make it fact. Where's the proof? what are you basing that on in other words. I can see locating marriage or birth records, but what is proof of where they lived?
I'm basing it on verified public records that I have access to including voter registration, phone directories, birth, marriage, divorce, death records. etc I don't post something that I am not sure of. I spent a fair amount of time researching this.



I won't post the actual records publicly but if you want documentation of something specific I could PM it.

Thanks for the offer dizzy, that's generaous of you. But no thanks. Like I said, kids are off limits to my conscience. Alyce being a drip on her own is enough for me. I hold her accountable directly. I don't care if she was gang banged 29 yrs ago, her methods, lies and low class behavior is on her shoulders alone on my score card.

[dizzyp]

You probably did, but don't take offense that my own conscience won't add to it without my own proof before my eyes.
Personally I wouldn't bring them in at all, they are innocent in this mess.

I'm not offended.. I thought you asked if there was proof...

I wouldn't post names or addresses of her children (though I do have that information) Like I said... I research for background to flesh out what I am seeing and hearing in the trial. (or looking for birth parents for example, which is part of what I use my skills for)

[loonywop]

Yes, perjury. The pre-trial hearings may have been sealed, but Matt McCartney himself stated he would lie for Jodi on JAII, which I think has since been removed. I'm sure it's all in the old thread. Here's what I found with a quick google search



This post from Justice11 dated Jan 28, 2013 9:04PM
http://mydeathspace.com/vb/printthre...pp=25&page=524

I had read elsewhere that Washington withdrew due to a conflict with Matt McCartney but I don't remember where I read it or what it was, if not this.

Thank you helloagain you saved me hours.Props to you

[gigiann]

Can't remember if I said this already or not.

I sense that ALV has a disconnect from people and reading them. As she is in psychology by profession, I'm surprised she's devoid of being able to be more in tune with emotion. She tries too hard to sound knowledgeable and book smart neglecting her sense of reading people.

[Peace Corpse]

I think we need to blame the defense, she looked completely unprepared and it is clear that they hide information from her. If you add that to the fact that she is pro-women and most likely she thinks all men are abusers, then you have this train wreck on the stand

Yes, the defense MUST be blamed. They did not give Alyce all the materials necessary to make her assessment. She made her assessment on what she was given. This does not make Alyce an idiot ( amateur on domestic violence abuse), biased or wrong. It simply makes her unprepared and that is a major defense blunder.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

So what the fuck went so wrong with Laviolette's testimony? Put aside your hatred and knee-jerk responses and think. On the surface she seems like a good choice. Folksy, easy to understand, experienced, well known in her field, published author. She had some decent evidence to work with, that would at least show emotional abuse and a volatile relationship.

Why did she take the case?

• Believed in Jodi's cause as an abused woman who was justified in striking back
• Felt Travis was an abuser and wanted to set the record straight
• Self promotion (could she have predicted the media interest? doubtful)
• Money
• Promote her view of domestic violence
• Conned by Jodi into doing something outside her boundaries

Why was she so rigid in her views of Jodi as victim and Travis as abuser?

• Believed Jodi was truly emotionally and physically abused
• Defense team kept her in the dark about contradictory evidence
• Jodi tricked her completely
• Paid for her views, so afraid to show any flexibility
• Unable to admit she was wrong in public
• Not actually an expert on domestic violence or testifying

Who takes the blame for this Titanic hitting the iceberg?

• Alyce? She was sloppy and unscientific, lied and covered up for Jodi
• Nurmi? He is a snake and did not prepare this witness
• Wilmott? Her direct exam and prep missed the mark
• Jodi? She lied and changed the facts on the people hired to
• Samuels? His faulty psych testing & eval contributed to the clusterfuck

What do you think?

D. All of the above

Neither Nurmi nor JW wanted to be on the case. Nurmi even started his own practice to avoid it, but was told otherwise.

how do you know this?

It's in the court minutes, which you read here http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/JONamesearch.asp

Search by Case Number CR2008031021

Reading that intro from travis' book, it makes sense why he was attracted to jodi

Travis was abused by a woman (his mom), so that no doubt probably made him susceptible to be drawn towards someone who treated him the same way

Being a "DV expert", Alice should have picked up on this fact

She probably did. She wasn't there to defend Travis, she was there to "de-edify" him. Her sole purpose was to protect Jodi. Which I believe the jury saw right through (I hope)....

As Rockabillychick says Alyce did but chose to twist those facts to suit Stabby and her defense.

Jodi quickly adapted to a jailed mindset. As some of you know I worked in forensic psychiatry for about 5 years...prisoners are bored and spend inordinate amounts of time figuring out how to break rules and get over. her sneaky behaviors in the courtroom are testament to what a good criminal she is.

Great post as always. Stabby was already well practiced at breaking rules and being sneaky.

From Jodi's twitter:
Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 2h
"We own nothing but the talents God have given to us to improve upon, to show Him what we will do with them." - Brigham Young

We all know how well Stabby adheres to the Mormon faith

We can be a club of two, I'll commit here and now. I vow not to address anything that gives them attention.

But how we will mock them?

So in impeaching her does her testimony stand ? What is the point of impeaching someone if there is no penalty or repurcussions?

Jury will get an instruction that if they disbelieve a portion of a witnesses testimony then they can choose to disbelieve/disregard it all

Sorry guys didn't mean to take up the whole damn page

Quit scaring me!

i need to find them again, but in pretrial hearing in arizona matt testified, and martinez proved he was lying and threatened to charge him w/ perjury and thats why he got a PD from arizona, and that is the conflict of interest that enabled washington to withdraw as jodi's counsel - and if i remember right, it ended up w/ jm telling him if he tried to testify for jodi w/ what he said in the pretrial, then he would throw matt in jail as soon as he walked in the coutroom

I think it's hype Harlette. I am almost positive the hearing/ pretrial was sealed.

Harlette is correct. Shana Hogan reported all of this. It happened in open court.

[Lady MacBeth]

Someone asked pages ago if someone had a screenshot of JA's twitter account before she deleted tweets. Here's WAT's screen shot:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHoQ5o_CIAEMKnn.jpg:large

Source:
https://twitter.com/WildAboutTrial/s...409731/photo/1

JA is trying soooooo hard in these tweets to school JM and sound PROFOUND which is kinda ironic given that she has basically fucked up her own life so bad that she is constrained to living in a 10 by 12 cage. She tweets little "quotes" from Edgar Cayce - a quack psychic who made all kind of silly predictions about Atlantis which did not come true http://skepdic.com/cayce.html.