Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[faq_q]

Objection! Relevance!

[Morticia]

I thought that convicted felons could not visit anyone in prison...is this also true of county jails? Anyone?

[dizzyp]

Did you really think Jodi's friends would be smart? Everybody knows there can only be one Einstein in the bunch and Jodi has declared herself the Einstein..

DB is basically a Jodi groupie who seems willing to just about anything for her... including lying, slandering, dominating wide shots in the courtroom...

[wasthinking]

Donavan deleted the Nancy Grace and Juan, little man syndrome tweet.

I hope someone got a screen shot.

[azkarisma]

Is it legal to suspend her account?

Is it really suspended, or did they disable it due to the (I'm just guessing) high amounts of hate messaging they have gotten?

I'm torn about the whole thing. On the one hand, of course it's disgusting that she has one. On the other hand, I don't know that there's anything actually wrong with it. While Jodi gave up many privileges and rights, I'm not sure freedom of speech is actually one that prisoners lose. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

Now, I have a theory, and it makes me mildly nervous. I've noticed on HLN's After Dark that the 'jurors' will sometimes ask questions that make me think they're leaning one way, but when it comes time to vote, they go in the opposite direction.

Is anyone concerned that this same thing applies to this jury? I realize that HLN's show is pretty much junk, but I'm curious as to what you all may be thinking.

In one respect, Jodi's twitter account is not run any differently than many celebrity and executive twitter accounts. She tells Donavan what to tweet, and they tell their social media specialists, assistants or interns what to tweet.

[coconut]

Scoring the questions:

Pro-prosecution
Are you aware Jodi's g. parents house was robbed? Yes
About a hundred others...

Pro-defense
Is it common for women to Snap and commit violence? Self defense (Approach)
Is it possible for Jodi (the victim) to be the murderer (perpetrator)? It's possible for somebody to lash back (Now another long ass story from Alyce)
Have you ever seen where victims kill their partner b/c they have no way out? Long pause-One case I've worked before. (Approach)
Could a women kill somebody to get away from the abuse? Rare
Have any of your patients killed their partner? Yes
Killing Travis was extreme, is that what a victim would do, in your experience? They are afraid. They don't know when to stop. (Long story)

Pro-mistrial
When I listened to the trial I thought I heard a few questions on details that would have come from outside the testimony, like tv or internet. Going back through the list I can't find them. Did the jury have "help" with these questions? I'm sure Nurmi is on it.

Obviously many vindictive questions are coming from hard-line jurors that have already decided she is guilty. A huge amount of questions about lying (why so fixated? she admitted lying). Only one question about premeditation. But there is that troubling handful of questions about snapping which would be a heat of passion killing. At least one juror is open to the possibility that Travis abused Jodi. The defense team still has a good shot at a hung jury, or a second degree murder conviction. Will the hard-liners make the final jury pool and push their opinion through? Or will they reach a compromise verdict?

[poppym]

Bwahaha! Big for a happily married man, don't you think?

[olgasbunghole]

Welcome newbies!

Ditto from me

[faq_q]

Bwahaha! Big for a happily married man, don't you think?

Hehe...I couldn't resist. I guess like someone we know, I knew the dangers but just couldn't help myself.

[dizzyp]

In one respect, Jodi's twitter account is not run any differently than many celebrity and executive twitter accounts. She tells Donavan what to tweet, and they tell their social media specialists, assistants or interns what to tweet.

I'm sure Martha Stewart had recipes tweeted from jail ;)

[poppym]

Hehe...I couldn't resist. I guess like someone we know, I knew the dangers but just couldn't help myself.

Well! Just as long as you remember, if you are brutally murdered, you've no-one to blame but yourself!

[wasthinking]

Scoring the questions:

Pro-prosecution
Are you aware Jodi's g. parents house was robbed? Yes
About a hundred others...

Pro-defense
Is it common for women to Snap and commit violence? Self defense (Approach)
Is it possible for Jodi (the victim) to be the murderer (perpetrator)? It's possible for somebody to lash back (Now another long ass story from Alyce)
Have you ever seen where victims kill their partner b/c they have no way out? Long pause-One case I've worked before. (Approach)
Could a women kill somebody to get away from the abuse? Rare
Have any of your patients killed their partner? Yes
Killing Travis was extreme, is that what a victim would do, in your experience? They are afraid. They don't know when to stop. (Long story)

Pro-mistrial
When I listened to the trial I thought I heard a few questions on details that would have come from outside the testimony, like tv or internet. Going back through the list I can't find them. Did the jury have "help" with these questions? I'm sure Nurmi is on it.

Obviously many vindictive questions are coming from hard-line jurors that have already decided she is guilty. A huge amount of questions about lying (why so fixated? she admitted lying). Only one question about premeditation. But there is that troubling handful of questions about snapping which would be a heat of passion killing. At least one juror is open to the possibility that Travis abused Jodi. The defense team still has a good shot at a hung jury, or a second degree murder conviction. Will the hard-liners make the final jury pool and push their opinion through? Or will they reach a compromise verdict?

Objection, biased Sustained,

[faq_q]

Objection, biased Sustained,

Shit, I'm rep'd out or you would have got all of them!

[Wishmich]

Scoring the questions:

Will the hard-liners make the final jury pool and push their opinion through? Or will they reach a compromise verdict?

Stay tuned for next week's chapter of As The Knife Turns.

I think those first juror questions were put in early on in ALV's testimony when she came across as a loveable granny. The more she talked, the more it became clear that her testimony should be taken with a grain a salt due to her obvious bias. My only hope is that they ALL take the evidence in totality. When I was on juries, we always took a vote and then went around the table to hear the jurors thoughts. Those that had doubts on guilt stated them, and then it was talked out until the juror was satisfied with the evidence at hand. I really hope this is a "grown-up" jury that takes this seriously. With all the evidence, I can't see a reasonable person having a reasonable doubt.

[Morticia]

I coincidently stumbled on this crazy trial on the first day with opening statements. I think I've only missed two days of testimony since then and, like any good addict, have not been able to stop!! My house practically looks like a candidate for "Hoarders". OK, not that bad, but it's getting there. I feel like I hit "bottom" this morning when I woke up and felt the darkness of it all. I stepped away from the livestream today and found out that it's springtime out there and that there are normal and pleasant people in the world! I'm feeling thankful that no matter how awful this case may be, life is pretty sweet.

[faq_q]

Well! Just as long as you remember, if you are brutally murdered, you've no-one to blame but yourself!

I will have to live or in this case die with that

[sheesh]

Sorry everybody.

I have my questions # but they didn't copy/paste over.

There's a tool for that...

1. Did you read any earlier diaries of Jodi's? No
2. Could the earlier ones help you better? I read a lot of information
3. Did you read Travis' family or friends? Only 48 hours
4. What did you learn about Travis? He was a motivational speaker and good at it. He knew his scriptures, and came from an abusive household. He was made fun of. He liked women. Don't know much about his friendships. His anger.
5. Do you think Jodi lied to you to help her case? (Long story) No
6. Could Jodi have exaggerate to help her case? She could have
7. Is it possible friends and family lied to help her? I guess except they didn't go overboard.
8. What did you discover about Travis and other women? Travis liked to talk sex. He would push PPL on them. He was good with women. He irritated women too. He played them. (wow Alyce is bashing the hell out of Travis)
9. Is it common for women to Snap and commit violence? Self defense (Approach)
10. Is it possible for Jodi (the victim) to be the murderer (perpetrator)? It's possible for somebody to lash back (Now another long ass story from Alyce)
11. Jodi being violent with family. Wouldn't this characterize Jodi as an abuser? She was an angry teenager. Not uncommon
12. Why would a preptrator be abusive in one relationship but not another? Depends on the relationship. (Long story and more Travis bashing)
13. Have you ever seen where victims kill their partner b/c they have no way out? Long pause-One case I've worked before. (Approach)
14. Could a women kill somebody to get away from the abuse? Rare
15. Both sides are both victims and abuser? Uncommon (long story)
16. Were Travis and Jodi in this type of relationship? I see no evidence of it. Jodi was calm and tried to calm the situation
17. If Jodi slapped and kicked her mother, wouldn't that make her an abuser? Not really. This is about 2 peers.
18. Could Jodi being lying about abuse events? Anything is possible. Probably not in this case (Long bashing on Travis)
19. Could Jodi and Travis fit somewhere in your high column? No (Long bashing on Travis)
20. How does it effect you assessment when you don't have the whole story? Most of the time you don't. (Long story, she has a big box of stuff)
21. Could Jodi have been an abuser in the relationship? No evidence of it
22. Could Jodi have been guilty of verbal abuse of Travis? No evidence of it. Plus she had 2 good prior relationships
23. Could Travis' actions been defensive instead of abusive? It was beyond defensive (Long bashing of Travis)
24. 2 kids facing abuse end up handling things in different ways? Sure. (Long ass story)
25. Does it worry you that you can't get a complete story from Travis? Sure, I wish I could.
26. Is the partner consider abusive if you have low self esteem and don't talk about it? You don't act abusive
27. How can quickly can abusive esclassclate after you meet? Varies
28. How was Travis's girlfriend before Jodi and Lisa? Deanae
29. Describle that relationship? On and off for 6 yrs. Deanne loaned him money.
30. Jodi has told you stuff but she's a liar. How do you know she is being truthful? (JM is objecting) Alyce based it on all the stuff she read
31. Did you ever see any proof that Travis abused Jodi? Broken finger
32. Isn't it possible Jodi didn't write stuff in her diary b/c they didn't happen? It's possible (Long bash on Travis
33. Kicking mother and the scale? She was a teenager
34. Have any of your patients killed their partner? Yes
35. Is it possible Jodi abused Travis? I don't have evidence of it
36. Did Jodi and Travis have a love hate relationship? Abusive relationship
37. How does a love hate impact the partners over time? They are high conflict. (Long story)
38. Killing Travis was extreme, is that what a victim would do, in your experience? They are afraid. They don't know when to stop. (Long story)
39. Other than Jodi's word, what evidence do you have about underwear from Travis? There was an IM about it
40. Does Jodi still write in her diary? HAven't seen them.
41. Timeframe when you seen Jodi? 44 hrs Oct 2011, Doesn't know the other days, and one when she came for her daughter's wedding
42. The car argument and Travis slapping her. Is that what Jodi told you? No, it was the jaw
43. How confident are you that Jodi did not lie to you? I don't believe she lied to me (long story with word play)
44. Travis' childhood and his behavior. Describe? It's not vague. (Long bashing of Travis about how he was abusive) Travis seen threat in things that were not a threat.
45. April 2008, Jodi didn't fight back. Are you saying she would rather lay there instead of fighting back? Lots of people don't fight back.
46. A controlling person-does that mean they are automatically controlling? No
47. Are any of Travis' ex say Travis was abusive? No
48. Is it possible the May 10 IM about the temper was a joke? Didn't sound that way
49. Why didn't Jodi stop talking to Travis right then, then? IDK
50. Did you interview anybody else face to face? No
51. Are you aware Jodi's g. parents house was robbed? Yes
52. Wasn't it a known fact to Jodi that Travis was trying to find somebody to marry? Yes
53. Does another person give power to somebody with more power? Yes (Long story)
54. Any other women ever state that Travis abused them in any way? Lisa Andrews email
55. Did any friend or family ever mention anything? Matt
56. Survivor, Please describe? Positive sound and powerful word
57. Could a survior be a preprator? Yes (Long story)
58. Jealousy not written in her diary, could it be b/c of LOA? Alyce brings up how Jodi was depressed
59. Could a female abuse or terroize a man to the point of killing him? Yes (Long story)
60. Couldn't a prep be a female? Yes
61. When did you meet with Jodi and on what dates? Above #41
62. Aren't you basing everything about Pedo on what Jodi told you? Yes (bashing Travis)
63. Jodi not getting medical attention for the finger. What prevents them then just lying about it? There are people that do that. (Long story)
64. If the name calling was just between Travis and Jodi, why is it called charcter assissian? It doesn't matter. They have the power (Long bashing against Travis)
65. You only talked to Jodi, how do you know it's truthful to base your decision? Looking at data.
66. Jodi's full voicemail, how do you know Travis ordered her too? He said it.
67. Couldn't Travis get irratied by the VM was full? Sure, it's what he did afterwards
68. Why would you not look futher into Travis' text about fearing Jodi? I read the text

[Mrs. Busybody]

I hope someone got a screen shot.

I have them. I sent them to my husband this morning in disbelief. I don't think I'm allowed to post pics on here yet

[Harlette]

omg - i am watching the trial now and just got to the question about her smiling at jodi - isn't she the one that said 90% of all communication is non verbal

[bryanwasdrunk]

Reasonable doubt. It only takes one.

pffffft. Extremely unlikely. Like someone else said earlier, they don't just walk into deliberations, take a vote and say oops, we don't agree -- mistrial!

[Metis212]

Scoring the questions:

Pro-prosecution
Are you aware Jodi's g. parents house was robbed? Yes
About a hundred others...

Pro-defense
Is it common for women to Snap and commit violence? Self defense (Approach)
Is it possible for Jodi (the victim) to be the murderer (perpetrator)? It's possible for somebody to lash back (Now another long ass story from Alyce)
Have you ever seen where victims kill their partner b/c they have no way out? Long pause-One case I've worked before. (Approach)
Could a women kill somebody to get away from the abuse? Rare
Have any of your patients killed their partner? Yes
Killing Travis was extreme, is that what a victim would do, in your experience? They are afraid. They don't know when to stop. (Long story)

Pro-mistrial
When I listened to the trial I thought I heard a few questions on details that would have come from outside the testimony, like tv or internet. Going back through the list I can't find them. Did the jury have "help" with these questions? I'm sure Nurmi is on it.

Obviously many vindictive questions are coming from hard-line jurors that have already decided she is guilty. A huge amount of questions about lying (why so fixated? she admitted lying). Only one question about premeditation. But there is that troubling handful of questions about snapping which would be a heat of passion killing. At least one juror is open to the possibility that Travis abused Jodi. The defense team still has a good shot at a hung jury, or a second degree murder conviction. Will the hard-liners make the final jury pool and push their opinion through? Or will they reach a compromise verdict?

Coco, dearest, snookums...snapping is temporary insanity - not self defense.

[MidwestHoosier]

There was a Social Media Pro on HLN who said things I totally agree with.

Alyce needs to put her big girl panties on. She knew she was getting herself into a high profile death penalty case, she's being extremely biased and immoral. She has even approached the victim's family in the middle of court which was upsetting for poor Samantha. Her behavior is NOT OK. People writing about her or expressing their disdain in the way she is conducting herself is not wrong. Of course I do not agree with trying to ruin her career or make death threats. Let her career go down from her own actions. And Death threats are never OK, in fact it's no better then acting like Jodi

Alyce has an opportunity every time she walks into court, to turn things around. To change her ways and start doing her job right. She's in her 60s. She is not a stupid old woman. She knows she is using abuse victims for the DT's agenda while she pockets the money. It's never too late to stop needlessly bashing Travis every chance she gets either.

It is time to put her big girl panties on and understand that if she is going to hurt victims of domestic violence everywhere, she can not play a victim when people get upset about it.

[AnnieBelle]

Scoring the questions:

Pro-prosecution
Are you aware Jodi's g. parents house was robbed? Yes
About a hundred others...

Pro-defense
Is it common for women to Snap and commit violence? Self defense (Approach)
Is it possible for Jodi (the victim) to be the murderer (perpetrator)? It's possible for somebody to lash back (Now another long ass story from Alyce)
Have you ever seen where victims kill their partner b/c they have no way out? Long pause-One case I've worked before. (Approach)
Could a women kill somebody to get away from the abuse? Rare
Have any of your patients killed their partner? Yes
Killing Travis was extreme, is that what a victim would do, in your experience? They are afraid. They don't know when to stop. (Long story)

Pro-mistrial
When I listened to the trial I thought I heard a few questions on details that would have come from outside the testimony, like tv or internet. Going back through the list I can't find them. Did the jury have "help" with these questions? I'm sure Nurmi is on it.

Obviously many vindictive questions are coming from hard-line jurors that have already decided she is guilty. A huge amount of questions about lying (why so fixated? she admitted lying). Only one question about premeditation. But there is that troubling handful of questions about snapping which would be a heat of passion killing. At least one juror is open to the possibility that Travis abused Jodi. The defense team still has a good shot at a hung jury, or a second degree murder conviction. Will the hard-liners make the final jury pool and push their opinion through? Or will they reach a compromise verdict?

I don't believe the questions are vindictive as much as they seem to reflect what they see is a mockery of a defense claim. A good majority of the testimony has already occurred....so, I am betting that many jurors already have a good idea of which way they are leaning. Several questions concerned the lying, and that indicates that the credibility of ALV's opinion is being heavily pondered. She sat up there, saying she is pretty sure that Jodi never lied to her. And we all know that is bullshit. I think this jury has seen, firsthand, that Jodi has lied throughout this process, and I believe they are fed up with what crap the defense is trying to parade before them. There is no doubt Jodi killed him. The only question will be if they buy the pre-meditated or not. When they get in that deliberation room, with all the evidence to sort through.....they are going to have a hard time denying those photos. Alyce is right in the sense that Travis is communicating BIG TIME from those photos, without uttering a gosh darned word. Ironic, considering how hard Jodi worked to silence him.

[wasthinking]

Shit, I'm rep'd out or you would have got all of them!

so am I! bankrupt skid row for 24 hrs. I think it can't be taken willynilly. First questions were before cross influences. It's like Justice said, and everyone blamed #5 for all the questions. That clearly is not the case. I don't think we'll see rebuttal start until next week. There's more questions in the judge's stack and more coming in. Then we have to get through followups so that will suck up tomorrow for sure.

[Harlette]

Coco, dearest, snookums...snapping is temporary insanity - not self defense.

and can i just say i still do not why she didn't go with this defense in the first place?? crime of passion or something to that effect, she would be out in about 5 more years