Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[coconut]

I think Martinez would be better off pointing to specific lies that affected Alyce's opinion.

Why is he dealing with blanket statements and what her dad says? Is it because there isn't a specific lie that contributed to her opinion that Jodi was a victim of DV?

[bermstalker]

I've tried to give defense and the def. witness the benefit of the doubt.

Uh, that's all gone. Alyce is a liar. She sleeps in the same bed as Doc did.

[MartyT]

ALV is so bad that she makes Dr Samuels look comparatively credible. She is slaughtering herself by appearing stubborn, uncooperative and smug. The tense sarcastic smiles she gives Juan Martinez show a game-playing attitude. She is grudging, barely concealing her contempt. Juan Martinez explained secondary gain very well and was masterful in making her duck and dive. Like others here I gave her a fair chance. She is hopeless under cross examination. The contrast between her attitude when being spoonfed by the defense and now is stark.

[AgathaAppleswine]

I thought that was a creative reply that sent him off on a tangent, so it had the desired effect.

For all the DV Expert Haters, if you were up there on the stand, would you just roll over and take it from Martinez and agree with everything he says? He is questioning her integrity and livelihood and I expect her to fight.

If she were only defensive about her education and qualifications and so forht, sure. I can understand her defending herself. It's the manner in which she's defending herself...not to mention the fact that she won't answer 90% of the questions without giving JM the runaround.

Sometimes the best defense of your professionalism is to act like a fucking professional, and not like a bratty teenager who got caught sneaking into the house after midnight.

I expect her to stomp her foot any second and shout, "You're mean! I hate you!"

[Harlette]

Alyce wants to "assess" things now. Wtf. Isn't that what she was supposed to do before she appeared in court as an expert witness with a firm opinion???

Hey Willmott, why didn't you SHOW her the entire interview? Oh yeah because it would go against what she wants Alyce to say about Jodi in court.

alyce is looking pissed that they with held so much info, but i still can't believe she never even interviewed her parents!

[Poppycock]

I thought that was a creative reply that sent him off on a tangent, so it had the desired effect.

For all the DV Expert Haters, if you were up there on the stand, would you just roll over and take it from Martinez and agree with everything he says? He is questioning her integrity and livelihood and I expect her to fight.

Respectfully disagree, that demonstration exemplified that the written word only accounts for 10% of what the communication actually was. That you cannot make assessments of relationships solely on written correspondences. She gave way too much weight to the stuff she 'read'.

I knew she would discredit the Dad because of what Jodi has told her, the mother I thought also called her dishonesty out in some way? Maybe that tape will also come in.

[marshmallow]

I thought that was a creative reply that sent him off on a tangent, so it had the desired effect.

For all the DV Expert Haters, if you were up there on the stand, would you just roll over and take it from Martinez and agree with everything he says? He is questioning her integrity and livelihood and I expect her to fight.

If I were in that position and had been objective in my reports and not paid to give only defense favorable opinions, I would answer the questions with yes or no.I wouldn't be playing power struggle on the stand. I wonder if this witness has issues with men having any position of power over her. That would explain her need to lead the dancing.

[coconut]

Respectfully disagree, that demonstration exemplified that the written word only accounts for 10% of what the communication actually was. That you cannot make assessments of relationships solely on written correspondences. She gave way too much weight to the stuff she 'read'.

You are making the same mistake as Juan. The saying is that 90% of IN PERSON communication is non-verbal. BUT 100% of written communication is verbal. Real people make real decisions about their lives based completely on written communication. Business deals are made by emails. Relationships are started online. All "verbal". The written words between everyone are very important.

[gecko am]

Why can't they show all of the interrogation tapes? I realize they're prejudicial but IT IS pertinent FACTS that the jury should be able to hear.

I agree. If Alyce needs them for 'context' the jury should be able to see the entire tape too. Maybe that's what's happening?

[Harlette]

I'm conflicted on the AVL dislike. On one hand, what do you expect her to say? She's a paid defense witness - OF COURSE she's going to find evidence of Jodi being a battered woman. OF COURSE she's going to generate a report in the defendant's favor. She did everything that she was supposed to do, as far as what the DT wanted out of her.

On the other hand, you know that if you make a biased report, you're gonna get torn to shreds by the prosecutor. It's his job to take you down as a credible and partial witness. Her exchange with Martinez is what she signed up for when she decided to testify for the defense.

So what do you do as a witness? If she had completed a completely fair and balanced report based on the things we know from the trial and about Travis and Jodi, do you really think she would have come out with the report she's presented? This is why I'm conflicted about her - she did what she was paid to do. Whether it was right or wrong, she completed the job to the best of her ability. Anyone else feel this way?

my dad is an expert witness and he researches every thing whether it helps or hurts his client, and he is never like this on the stand

[carnee]

I'm conflicted on the AVL dislike. On one hand, what do you expect her to say? She's a paid defense witness - OF COURSE she's going to find evidence of Jodi being a battered woman. OF COURSE she's going to generate a report in the defendant's favor. She did everything that she was supposed to do, as far as what the DT wanted out of her.

On the other hand, you know that if you make a biased report, you're gonna get torn to shreds by the prosecutor. It's his job to take you down as a credible and partial witness. Her exchange with Martinez is what she signed up for when she decided to testify for the defense.

So what do you do as a witness? If she had completed a completely fair and balanced report based on the things we know from the trial and about Travis and Jodi, do you really think she would have come out with the report she's presented? This is why I'm conflicted about her - she did what she was paid to do. Whether it was right or wrong, she completed the job to the best of her ability. Anyone else feel this way?

I agree. I think she did what she could. I don't know who would come out OK testifying for JA.

[Brillig]

Exactly, she's trying to play chess with him in her mind and go the opposite direction he's taking her. That's why she's always saying 'i don't know where you're going with this' that's why she won't just answer the fucking question. If she didn't have to worry about where he's going with it (ie, backing her into a corner) she'd just tell the truth and say what needs to be said. I'm so over all this. I call Jodi a cunt to myself (I'm at work) like a billion times a day, every time they show her big fat ass nose on screen.

She is trying to play chess, and figure out his next move. But if the truth is on your side, there really isn't any reason to play games. She should just be answering the questions honestly, then the DT will attempt to rehabilitate any damage or potential issues on redirect. All the evasiveness and balking just makes her LOOK dishonest, whether she is or not.

Alyce L'Advocate seems to think this is a game.

It takes 11 questions for her to admit what she eventually is forced to by the prosecutor and the Judge.

Her credibility is lessened every time she enters into these fencing wars with the prosecutor with those impish smirks.

She's easily less professional than even Dr. Dick. Her phone will not ring as often from here forward.

As I mentioned previously, you reap what you sow.

If she had just been honest and forthcoming, people might have disagreed with her assessment and found her too credulous, but honestly so. Now she also looks like a combative, overly defensive, manipulative, game playing man hater.

The fact that LaVi is behaving this way proves to me, more than anything else, that she is anti-male and pro-female.

1. She took Jodi's side without really looking to see if Travis could have been abused. Jumped to conclusions without proper investigation -why? Because the female is always the abuse victim (in her eyes anyways).
2. The defense made sure to have Jennifer examine her instead of putting MALE Nurmi up there - they perhaps knew that she would be less helpful with a male asking her questions.
3. She refuses to admit any bias or obligation to Arias while avoiding to take into consideration any mentions from Travis that point the finger at Arias as the potential abuser/manipulator
4. She spars with JM from moment ONE! She fights him even on meaningless aspects. She cannot stand the idea of a evil MAN getting one-up on her, no matter HOW meaningless the point may be.

It is childish, unprofessional and insulting. If she would just honestly answer the questions, it would be better for her AND the DT.

That really sums it up well, ChelseyDawn.

[phantompoet]

she cut her finger from an apple now?

[ImBatman!]

my dad is an expert witness and he researches every thing whether it helps or hurts his client, and he is never like this on the stand

Thank you! I again go back to why did she not interview family, friends etc!! If she had done that she may be in a better position now and not having to lie all over the place!

[Justice11]

Hey Willmott, why didn't you SHOW her the entire interview? Oh yeah because it would go against what she wants Alyce to say about Jodi in court.

I can't imagine why Willmott would want them to see the entire interview. The parts we've seen are very bad for Jodi.

The entire interview is totally prejudicial against Jodi. WTF is JW thinking?? They must seriously be hoping the judge bites on one of their files for mistrial....

I'm confused too. I think she might want ONLY Alyce to see the tape...not the entire jury. Maybe she wants a recess so she can regroup?

I did too. It's a shame when you give someone the benefit of the doubt, and they take a big steamy shit on it. It makes me dislike her all the more.

Agree.

I've tried to give defense and the def. witness the benefit of the doubt.

Uh, that's all gone. Alyce is a liar. She sleeps in the same bed as Doc did.

Yep. Shaking my head at all of them.

[Harlette]

um new story about how she cut her fingers?

[dizzyp]

The fact that LaVi is behaving this way proves to me, more than anything else, that she is anti-male and pro-female.

1. She took Jodi's side without really looking to see if Travis could have been abused. Jumped to conclusions without proper investigation -why? Because the female is always the abuse victim (in her eyes anyways).

exhibit #1: ALYCE DUNN LAVIOLETTE, M.S., MFCC CV

PUBLICATIONS
1998 Women Studies Encyclopedia: ?The Battered Husband Syndrome and Other Myths?

[M Joy]

Jury is back. ALV back to evading questions.

And there it is. Getting her glasses. What did she just do before the jury came back? WTF is wrong with this lady?

[Cara]

I thought that was a creative reply that sent him off on a tangent, so it had the desired effect.

For all the DV Expert Haters, if you were up there on the stand, would you just roll over and take it from Martinez and agree with everything he says? He is questioning her integrity and livelihood and I expect her to fight.

Sometimes having integrity means swallowing your pride and admitting you were wrong. What would be so hard about saying, "Yes, this is my opinion, and it is based on JA's accounts. If you believe the accounts, then this is what can be deduced from them" ?

Just because someone is challenging your opinion doesn't mean you have to sink lower in the mire of bullshit. I liked her in the beginning, but now all I see is stubborn pride.

[AlisonL]

I'm sorry, but really?? !!?? Again with the MOTHERFUCKING GLASSES??? I quit!

[ShellJett]

Right about the glasses fellow posters.

[Chopstix]

That lady never has her glasses with her.

[ChelseyDawn]

THE IDIOT STILL DIDN'T BRING HER GLASSES UP?!?!?! What a way to WASTE everyone's time, and for why??? Wow, that simple thing is just ridiculous.

[AgathaAppleswine]

I'm conflicted on the AVL dislike. On one hand, what do you expect her to say? She's a paid defense witness - OF COURSE she's going to find evidence of Jodi being a battered woman. OF COURSE she's going to generate a report in the defendant's favor. She did everything that she was supposed to do, as far as what the DT wanted out of her.

On the other hand, you know that if you make a biased report, you're gonna get torn to shreds by the prosecutor. It's his job to take you down as a credible and partial witness. Her exchange with Martinez is what she signed up for when she decided to testify for the defense.

So what do you do as a witness? If she had completed a completely fair and balanced report based on the things we know from the trial and about Travis and Jodi, do you really think she would have come out with the report she's presented? This is why I'm conflicted about her - she did what she was paid to do. Whether it was right or wrong, she completed the job to the best of her ability. Anyone else feel this way?

No. Because a true professional would have done the report in a fair and unbiased way, and let the defense call them or not. I believe that ALV fudged the truth, ignored other truths, and has outright made false statements in order to tailor her report to make Jodi look as victimized as possible, while trashing Travis.

I wanted to like ALV. In some ways, I feel I could go up and talk to her about my own past, and I think she would listen.

But she didn't do victims of DV by dealing with Jodi in the manner that she did. She acted inappropriately.

Now, on the other hand, the personal attacks against her sexuality, appearance, and so forth bother me. I also did not like the idea of people posting fake reviews on her book, just so they could bash her.

At the same time, I understand that she has just set back the DV clock by supporting Jodi. It will be harder for men to get help, and it may make men more prone to abuse from women simply because she, an expert, hand-waved over any potential abuse Jodi did towards Travis.

Basically, now a woman can make a claim against a man, and even without any actual evidence, have him condemned for being an abuser -- even if the roles are actually reversed. It's alarming, and disturbing.

[smurfy]

she cut her finger from an apple now?

I thought it was a cup that tipped over in the dishwasher? Or something like that.