Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death (Part II)

[helloagain]

From The State v Jodi Arias Facebook page:

CONFIRMED : Chris and Sky Hughes will not be testifying during rebuttal, nor will Matt McCartney [as reported here previously]

Rebuttal witnesses include: Cancun PPL, Dr Demarte, Gas Station in SLC, Walmart, Det Brown

Dunno who Dr. Demarte or Det Brown are. Or what Cancun PPL is, obviously something to do with the Cancun trip.

https://www.facebook.com/Justice4Travis

[ShellJett]

Does anybody know AZ definition of 2nd degree murder? Also, can't premeditation be formed at any time? I have heard that in jury instructions or arguments in other cases.

[ShellJett]

From The State v Jodi Arias Facebook page:



Dunno who Dr. Demarte or Det Brown are. Or what Cancun PPL is, obviously something to do with the Cancun trip.

https://www.facebook.com/Justice4Travis

Dr. Demarte is State expert witness - Psychologist
Detective Brown is a computer forensics expert
Cancun/PPL must be someone from Prepaid Legal - possibly one who was on the Cancun trip

[Jillee]

Willmott's fb is pretty wide open.

[wasthinking]

From The State v Jodi Arias Facebook page:



Dunno who Dr. Demarte or Det Brown are. Or what Cancun PPL is, obviously something to do with the Cancun trip.

https://www.facebook.com/Justice4Travis

whohoo! Thanks! I hope FB gossips didn't screw up on the Cancun one. I could be wrong but, I do believe what we are seeing in "Cancun PPL" is that killer was indeed scheduled for that trip and Traivs booted her ass off it. Oh please please Santa make this come true. : )

Brown is a computer guru Detective for Mesa PD
Dr Demente is the State's psych expert

We knew already no Hughes, Juan said quite some time ago in a hearing he released them, wouldn't be calling the Hughes. Matt a no brainer too, neither side would call a liar to the stand at this point.

[Tia111]

I really believe this is the reason he was killed. She was NOT going to be the one who was left. If a relationship ended with her doing the leaving, fine, but nobody was EVER going to leave her, period.












I am also about to implement the ignore feature, as soon as I finish this post. I have never ignored anyone before, because I don't mind differing ideas, but this is so far beyond the pale that it has even surpassed my limits.



I agree, there is nothing wrong with posting a different opinion. I don't think most people here object to that at all. It wouldn't be a very interesting discussion if everyone agreed with everyone else all the time. What I think most find bothersome is the endless repetition by one person of the same exact idea over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, ad nauseum.

State your different opinion... great, go for it! State your exact same opinion 100 times, using a tone of "I am so superior and you are so stupid you can't grasp what I am saying", interspersed with commands to go review someones posts or commands to reexamine the evidence (because clearly nobody has a clue what the evidence is except this person)... is astonishingly annoying and inappropriate.

You ARE so right! There is noone on the planet[/I]more annoying! After reading her posts you feel like there has been an attempt to brow beat her opinion into your head if only you were smart enough to allow it! Also the multiple multiple times how she speculates how horrible it is that Travis was just not as smart as she would have been or was in her particular situation. But then just to add insult to injury, she follows each and every droning post with a "Justice for Travis" type comment. Above all she wants us all to know that she is smarter than Travis and even smarter than Juan Martinez. She knows exactly how he should handle this case and he is definitely NOT doing it right. Forget about his vast experience and amazing track record...just know that she knows exactly what he needs to be doing. I have never used the ignore button either but in this case, I'm going to make an exception!

[Jillee]

Dr. Demarte is State expert witness - Psychologist
Detective Brown is a computer forensics expert
Cancun/PPL must be someone from Prepaid Legal - possibly one who was on the Cancun trip

I would think that they're bringing in the Cancun PPL person to verify that Jodi had been recently taken off Travis' reservation?

[faq_q]

Where did you ever see trespassing in this case? Juan never argued trespassing. To qualify felony murder, he went under burglary law which in Arizona is a little different.

'A common misperception is that burglary means entering premises to steal something. In fact, it means that a person entered premises with the intention of committing a felony, even if the victim willingly let the person enter. '

Stephens also denied a motion to dismiss one of the two first-degree murder charges against Arias. She is charged with premeditated murder, or, in the alternative, with felony murder, meaning someone died during the commission of another felony, in this case burglary.

In the Arias case, prosecutors allege the intention was to commit murder, a seeming redundancy. By all accounts, Arias was invited into Alexander's home -- as documented in the photographs -- to engage in sexual acts with Alexander over several hours. But from a legal standpoint, her permission to be in Alexander's home was revoked as soon as the encounter became violent. Stephens ruled on the side of the prosecution.

Why does it matter? In cases of felony murder, having both alternatives makes it easier for a prosecutor to get the conviction. A jury need not choose unanimously between the two. If some jurors opt for one charge and the rest opt for the other, it is considered a unanimous verdict for first-degree murder and it therefore makes Arias eligible for the death penalty.

From there, it gets more nuanced. If jurors cannot agree on premeditated murder, they are obligated to discuss the lesser crime of second-degree murder, then manslaughter and negligent homicide. But there are no "lesser includeds" for felony murder; if the jury finds Arias not guilty of burglary, then there was no murder. If Nurmi had succeeded in getting the felony murder charge thrown out, it would have more opened the door for the jury to arrive at a second-degree murder conviction and keep Arias off death row

I don't believe Juan used the exact term trespassing but he from my recollection said that after the first stab wound, Jodi was not a welcome guest. You can deduce what you want from that but I don't think Metis is too far off saying that term. If someone comes on your property and is not welcome, I believe they are trespassing IMO...

[dizzyp]

From The State v Jodi Arias Facebook page:



Dunno who Dr. Demarte or Det Brown are. Or what Cancun PPL is, obviously something to do with the Cancun trip.
https://www.facebook.com/Justice4Travis

maybe?:

Dr. Janeen DeMarte PhD
Sentience Psychological Services
Phoenix, Arizona
http://therapists.psychologytoday.co...Arizona_136525

note: "Sentience is the ability to feel, perceive, and have self-awareness through emotional experiences."

[ShellJett]

I would think that they're bringing in the Cancun PPL person to verify that Jodi had been recently taken off Travis' reservation?

I would hope so, but I really have no clue. Cancun trip was sponsored by PPL, so who knows what JM has up his sleeve?

[*crickets*]

Does anybody know AZ definition of 2nd degree murder? Also, can't premeditation be formed at any time? I have heard that in jury instructions or arguments in other cases.

Under the AZ revised statutes, Title 13 Criminal Code, 13-1104: 2nd Degree Murder is intentionally causing the death of another person WITHOUT PREMEDITATION. It is a class 1 felony and carries a sentence of 10 years (min.) to 25 years (max.)

[Tia111]

Having finished listening to David Lohr's video 11 of the interrogation, at 30:00 Jodi says she uploaded a 45 minute video of Travis 'two nights ago', putting that at July 14, 08. She says it is called Travis Alexander (space dash space) System's Training. She gave him that tidbit to let the family know so they could see it. I did not find it, has anyone else found it? Since she was arrested, she would have had to had someone else delete it. She does have one posted as user jodiannarias, but not 45 minutes nor is it system's training.



these interrogation videos are long and tough to watch, I can only hear them on my phone. in this one (11), she repeatedly begs to see the crime scene photos. there are nuggets interspersed throughout the interrogation, I wish I had been writing them down.

RE: ALV's book unavailable on Amazon, perhaps she took it down to make it look like she has been selling them like hotcakes and to get people to pre-order the latest version coming out this month. She is now up to 400 reviews, 99.9% panning the book.

I will be there to leave a comment for the new book as well!

[Brillig]

Stephens also denied a motion to dismiss one of the two first-degree murder charges against Arias. She is charged with premeditated murder, or, in the alternative, with felony murder, meaning someone died during the commission of another felony, in this case burglary.

[snip]...having both alternatives makes it easier for a prosecutor to get the conviction. A jury need not choose unanimously between the two. If some jurors opt for one charge and the rest opt for the other, it is considered a unanimous verdict for first-degree murder and it therefore makes Arias eligible for the death penalty.

Which is great, it should increase the chance of a 1st degree murder conviction. I am so glad the felony murder charge stayed in. And it would be ironically just if she got the death penalty in part because of a non-existent gun that she insists Travis owned and insists she took from his house when she left. I would love it if her own stupid, lying, idiotic story was the nail in her coffin.

[*crickets*]

I don't believe Juan used the exact term trespassing but he from my recollection said that after the first stab wound, Jodi was not a welcome guest. You can deduce what you want from that but I don't think Metis is too far off saying that term. If someone comes on your property and is not welcome, I believe they are trespassing IMO...

Faq_q, Are you the one who was going to try to get in to the trial tomorrow?

[helloagain]

Does anybody know AZ definition of 2nd degree murder? Also, can't premeditation be formed at any time? I have heard that in jury instructions or arguments in other cases.

I can't answer your first question, but Joey Jackson on HLN has stated that premeditation can be formed at anytime. Even seconds before a killing.

Dr. Demarte is State expert witness - Psychologist
Detective Brown is a computer forensics expert
Cancun/PPL must be someone from Prepaid Legal - possibly one who was on the Cancun trip

whohoo! Thanks! I hope FB gossips didn't screw up on the Cancun one. I could be wrong but, I do believe what we are seeing in "Cancun PPL" is that killer was indeed scheduled for that trip and Traivs booted her ass off it. Oh please please Santa make this come true. : )

Brown is a computer guru Detective for Mesa PD
Dr Demente is the State's psych expert

We knew already no Hughes, Juan said quite some time ago in a hearing he released them, wouldn't be calling the Hughes. Matt a no brainer too, neither side would call a liar to the stand at this point.

Thanks to both! I read some of the comments on that post only after I posted the info here.

Yes! Cannot wait to find out that Jodi was indeed originally on the list to go to Cancun and Travis had her removed.

[Tia111]

Having finished listening to David Lohr's video 11 of the interrogation, at 30:00 Jodi says she uploaded a 45 minute video of Travis 'two nights ago', putting that at July 14, 08. She says it is called Travis Alexander (space dash space) System's Training. She gave him that tidbit to let the family know so they could see it. I did not find it, has anyone else found it? Since she was arrested, she would have had to had someone else delete it. She does have one posted as user jodiannarias, but not 45 minutes nor is it system's training.



these interrogation videos are long and tough to watch, I can only hear them on my phone. in this one (11), she repeatedly begs to see the crime scene photos. there are nuggets interspersed throughout the interrogation, I wish I had been writing them down.

RE: ALV's book unavailable on Amazon, perhaps she took it down to make it look like she has been selling them like hotcakes and to get people to pre-order the latest version coming out this month. She is now up to 400 reviews, 99.9% panning the book.

I will be there to leave a comment for the new book as well!

[dizzyp]

I don't believe Juan used the exact term trespassing but he from my recollection said that after the first stab wound, Jodi was not a welcome guest. You can deduce what you want from that but I don't think Metis is too far off saying that term. If someone comes on your property and is not welcome, I believe they are trespassing IMO...

I think section 2 and 2B applies... pointing a gun at someone is an illegal act. and she used lethal force against a non-lryahl threat.
13-405. Justification; use of deadly physical force

A. A person is justified in threatening or using deadly physical force against another:

1. If such person would be justified in threatening or using physical force against the other under section 13-404, and

2. When and to the degree a reasonable person would believe that deadly physical force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly physical force.

B. A person has no duty to retreat before threatening or using deadly physical force pursuant to this section if the person is in a place where the person may legally be and is not engaged in an unlawful act.

Chapter 4 JUSTIFICATION
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument....13&DocType=ARS

[Harlette]

^this makes sense....a mole.

what do u mean?? do you think a juror is talking to nurmi?

[Freethinker]

I can't answer your first question, but Joey Jackson on HLN has stated that premeditation can be formed at anytime. Even seconds before a killing.





Thanks to both! I read some of the comments on that post only after I posted the info here.

Yes! Cannot wait to find out that Jodi was indeed originally on the list to go to Cancun and Travis had her removed.

I thought it had been established she was the original one. She was taken off before the airline tickets had been printed.

[wasthinking]

I don't believe Juan used the exact term trespassing but he from my recollection said that after the first stab wound, Jodi was not a welcome guest. You can deduce what you want from that but I don't think Metis is too far off saying that term. If someone comes on your property and is not welcome, I believe they are trespassing IMO...

Not if you watched the hearings, JM is quite clear and never mentioned trespassing. Burglary and trepassing are two sep crimes on the books, not a matter of symantics.
http://www.azleg.gov/arizonareviseds...s.asp?title=13

Nurmi tried previously under the first judge to get the burglary [felony] removed [back under the other judge iirc.] It was denied so burglary is no doubt JMs strong one. Trespaasing could wind up a misdemearor, and then it would all fall apart. DA needed felonies to support a felony murder. Regardless, we've not seen trespassing anywhere in this case.

[Freethinker]

I can't answer your first question, but Joey Jackson on HLN has stated that premeditation can be formed at anytime. Even seconds before a killing.





Thanks to both! I read some of the comments on that post only after I posted the info here.

Yes! Cannot wait to find out that Jodi was indeed originally on the list to go to Cancun and Travis had her removed.

The fact (as she states) is she ran down the hall, retrieved the gun from the closet before going back into the bathroom. Sounds premeditated according to her words.

[wasthinking]

Which is great, it should increase the chance of a 1st degree murder conviction. I am so glad the felony murder charge stayed in. And it would be ironically just if she got the death penalty in part because of a non-existent gun that she insists Travis owned and insists she took from his house when she left. I would love it if her own stupid, lying, idiotic story was the nail in her coffin.

LOL, that was my thought when she was whining the fog the fog, then I was in the desert .. lmao committing another felony [stolen firearm] She's higly manipulative but not too bright. I never get how people refer to her as intelligent.

[Tia111]

My medical records say radial artery that's why I was under the impression that it was an arterial bleed.

The radial artery is a lot smaller artery and it would bleed alot and probably squirt with every heartbeat. The radial artery is alot smaller. When his neck was slashed, more than likely he had already lost a large amount of his total blood volume, making his blood pressure a lot lower. The amount of blood remaining would have bled out much faster than from a smaller artery (like your radial artery)but I doubt his blood pressure would have been high enough to produce much of a squirting effect.

[queenaevadamthng]

Freethinker, thats what I always thought. She could have just kept going right out the front door, it's not like he would have followed her outside buck nekkid. Also the time it took to go into the closet to get the gun to defend herself, rifle through the stack of clothes it was hidden under on the shelf. Make sure to straighten the mussed stack of said clothes, yada yada yada..that all would have given her plenty of time to reflect dontcha think. She could have even held the gun on him and backed out saying, I don't wanna shoot..

[wasthinking]

Dr Phil busted lying AGAIN geesh

While Sandra Arias could not be reached for comment, Bill Arias, Jodi's father, denied that the family has worked out any sort of arrangement with McGraw or taken anything from him.

"He asked and we refused. We do not want to deal with him," Bill tells PEOPLE, explaining that he never actually talked with Dr. Phil. A producer approached the family, gave them a card, and said the show would like to do an interview.
http://www.people.com/people/article...688951,00.html