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Thread: Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

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    Here's my juror question for the day directed to our professionals lurking about (I'm firing up the bat signal)...

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    Nancy Grace isn't having a busy day if the only content she's really posting is the trial that currently /isn't/ live. "Now we go back into the court room." Ugh. =I

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cara View Post
    I started to get so upset when Hodi got up with that self satisfied look on her face, as if she had won today. And the more I started to think about it I looked around the room and saw my daughter playing with her toys and my hubby walked by and blew me a kiss. I just had to share with you guys, it made me realize I shouldn't feel angry at all.

    Jodi has to go back to that tiny cell, smaller than Travis' closet and sit there all weekend, and wait. Her little petty victories over the ribbons, and the smirking doc are so infintismal, one might (gag) feel sorry for her. But the reality is she will never have what the Alexander family has ever again, if she ever did. And that is love and warmth and family.

    This is squishy, but bear with me. I had a dream about Travis last night. He was dressed to the 9's and it was a speaking engagement for him. All these people were vying for his attention, wanting to talk to him, say hello, take a pic with him, and after a little bit and after some big laughs and smiles he said "guys, I gotta go!". We (in the dream) were all so sad, pleading for him to stay, but he turned and said. "I gotta go, but don't stop the party, have fun. ENJOY!"

    I by no means wish to imply Travis wanted his life to be over, and I definately never knew him. But something about the look in his eyes tells me I would want to be his friend. And the more time I spend thinking about my friends, the less time I have to worry about those less than.

    So see you guys on Monday. Have a WONDERFUL weekend, and ENJOY!

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    Aww, what a sweet post...and dream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justice11 View Post
    Exactly. Just wait until Martinez puts hs rebuttal case on. It's going to blow the defense out of the water.



    What's this about the ribbons? I've been MIA all day. Dealing with horse boarding issues. :/



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    Just shows how unprofessional this joker is. Seriously, he is really, really, really awful.







    I loved that! Busted!
    All in all, it ended as a good day Justice! Everyone here was wonderful too!
    Most of the jury questions post JMs cross indicate they think JA and the quack are full of shit. Next stop, Juan's expert and rebuttal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qtkitycat View Post
    OH PRAISE JEBUS for that Juror!! Too bad he didn't say, "Excuse me your honor, could you tell Doc Dick to stop?! We just can't take anymore bullshit, Juror #3 is shaking like a Chihuahua. Juror #7 just stabbed himself in the ear. Juror #11 is mumbling "fucking kill you bitch" under his breath. Please, for the love of god, make it stop!"
    This is so good I had to bump it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by biggie View Post
    I originally thought no way she gets 1st degree but right now, I'll go 1st degree with no DP. However, a hung jury or insanely (acquittal) are not out of the realm of possibility. C. Anthony killed and walked free.
    They have mounds of physical evidence against Jodi, though. Casey's case was all circumstantial. And Casey didn't admit to killing Caylee.

    I don't see an aquittal in any way. Even Donovan said on 48 Hours that those close to her knew she was going to do SOME prison time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadameX View Post
    They have mounds of physical evidence against Jodi, though. Casey's case was all circumstantial. And Casey didn't admit to killing Caylee.

    I don't see an aquittal in any way. Even Donovan said on 48 Hours that those close to her knew she was going to do SOME prison time...
    I shouldn't really say Casey's case was circumstantial... that's not completely accurate. But all of the evidence could only be tied to the family in some way, not specifically Casey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadameX View Post
    I shouldn't really say Casey's case was circumstantial... that's not completely accurate. But all of the evidence could only be tied to the family in some way, not specifically Casey.
    It didn't help when her mom was on the witness stand and said "I looked up chloroform"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doll-Face View Post
    Aww, what a sweet post...and dream.
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    And you are so, SO right. It really makes one put life into perspective. That is why I said, recently, that it struck me when the camera panned from her laughing relatives....over to Jodi, who was staring off in the direction of the sidebar. And I thought how miserable all of their lives must be, to have turned out that they all seem so oblivious to what is going on, around them. Not only oblivious, but none seems to really give a flying f**k about anyone but themselves. No matter how this turns out, life that Jodi knew it is over. Life as the Alexander and the Arias families knew it are over. And, I agree with you....Travis was an amazingly bright soul. On earth, and in the great beyond. Jodi and her antics can never outshine the grace and love that the Alexanders possess. And she never will.

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    I'm throwing up the bat signal on this question. My juror question for the professionals in this forum lurking about...If you were the Dr. testifying for the defense..and you found that your initial report was based on total fabrication, would you???A) Reevaluate the subject, B) Redo the tests given to the subject for comparison (or just for shits and giggles cuz you get paid by the hour) C) Completely redo or amend your initial report and diagnosis to reflect the new information that you have received regarding the subject. I know that professionals don't like to hate on other professionals, but what is your overall opinion on the presentation submitted by Dr. Douche?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockabillychick View Post
    It didn't help when her mom was on the witness stand and said "I looked up chloroform"...
    Ugh, isn't that the truth? She lied through her teeth... I feel bad for George, but the rest of the family is nuts.
    And the way Jodi's mom and aunt act in court, I think THEY'RE nuts, too.

    I mean, if my daughter were on trial facing the death penalty, I don't think there's anything you could say to me in that courtroom that would make me laugh. That's just absolutely bizarre...

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    Hey everybody - I'm new here. One of the camera pics has been driving me nuts, so I wondered if any of you have theories on it. It's the 2nd 'dragging' picture (not the one where you can see her foot). I looked thru about 300 pages of this thread, then decided it would be easier to just ask. ;)

    Here's the pic:
    http://s1321.photobucket.com/user/ar...55850861182331

    I understand this is likely TA's body, but I'm not sure exactly what the orientation of his body is in it. This must be in the hallway. What's in the upper left corner of the pic? Is that the flip flops that are on the floor of the bedroom?

    Also, how do you think this picture got taken? To me, it doesn't look like the camera is on the floor. If JA is holding the camera, how could she be dragging the body too? Maybe could it be a pic of TA falling? Just trying to understand how this happened. I doubt she had a helper at the scene.

    (Looking forward to JM shredding the doc's testimony next week...but would also be just as happy to never see the doc ever again. So irritating!)

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    Can someone please my weekend stress? JW will not get ANOTHER chance to ask MORE quesions Monday to Dr BS after Juan Martinez time?

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    Forgive fluff at top of page my bipolar phone at it again..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadameX View Post
    I shouldn't really say Casey's case was circumstantial... that's not completely accurate. But all of the evidence could only be tied to the family in some way, not specifically Casey.
    Scott Peterson was convicted and sentenced to die, for the murder of his wife and unborn child. There was plenty of evidence to prove that he was a cad and an asshole, but actual evidence of murder was pretty much all circumstantial and based on his behavior before and after the murder. And Casey....while they could not determine an exact cause of death, that baby didn't bury herself in the woods, plastic bag and all. And Casey was out partying her ass off, living la vida, while she knew her child was dead? And she walked. So, I won't ever call another case until I hear the judge or foreman read the verdict. But, God, I can pray!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gecko am View Post
    Can someone please my weekend stress? JW will not get ANOTHER chance to ask MORE quesions Monday to Dr BS after Juan Martinez time?
    Yes she will... and there are MORE jury questions, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian 1 View Post
    The meteor analogy is a good metaphor for circumstantial evidence.
    This is the second time I've responded to my own post, but because I was asked, here it is. (In my words).

    Circumstantial evidence, as opposed to direct evidence, is essentially observed circumstances from which a logical and valid conclusion can be drawn based on those observed circumstances. For example, one winter evening, just before you go to bed at night, you look out the window and see that the streets are clean.

    You wake up in the morning, look out the window and see that the ground is covered with a light dusting of snow. From the observed 'circumstance' you can speculate/consider the following.

    a) Someone passed by in the night with a truck full of snow and sprinkled the streets with snow

    b) If you believe in snow fairies, it could have been that they passed by and covered the ground in snow.

    c) It snowed during the night.

    d) If you had never seen snow before, you can't figure out what happened during the night to cover the ground with all that white stuff.

    Of course, the correct answer is (c). The snow on the ground is evidence, (proof) that it snowed during the night and that conclusion, based on your observations in the morning, is just as valid as it would be if you had sat up during the night looking out the window and watched the snow fall.

    The same applies to the "meteor" example the Dr. used. You didn't see the meteor collide with the ground but the evidence, (the crater it created) left behind is valid circumstantial evidence, (proof) that a meteor landed at that spot at some time before you observed the crater.

    That's kind of awkwardly written. Hope it makes the point.

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    Great article about this trial and the misuse of PTSD. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-r...m_hp_ref=crime

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    Quote Originally Posted by coconut View Post
    The vibe I got from the jury questions was all about passion, emotions, adrenaline, like they had accepted the killing was a snap decision.

    I think Wilmott is (skillfully for once!) trying to reinforce those points and Samuels is nurturing that in his testimony. They are laying the foundation for their closing argument that the crime was not premeditated.
    Coconut, I love you but "snap decision"? When she got hold of the knife AND gun and he ended up stabbed and bloody in the hall...all within however many seconds elapsed between the last pic of him alive and the accidental bloody pic? Dude, really?

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    What a snoozer the defense team has been with their own star witness. Does anyone know how many more witnesses after this Dr?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnieBelle View Post
    Scott Peterson was convicted and sentenced to die, for the murder of his wife and unborn child. There was plenty of evidence to prove that he was a cad and an asshole, but actual evidence of murder was pretty much all circumstantial and based on his behavior before and after the murder. And Casey....while they could not determine an exact cause of death, that baby didn't bury herself in the woods, plastic bag and all. And Casey was out partying her ass off, living la vida, while she knew her child was dead? And she walked. So, I won't ever call another case until I hear the judge or foreman read the verdict. But, God, I can pray!
    I'm with you... but ya know, while I fully believe Scott Peterson is guilty as sin, I said many times that I would NOT want to be on that jury because by legal definition of "reasonable doubt", I don't think I could have found him guilty.

    I'm glad I wasn't put in a position to do that.

    I would, however, find Jodi guilty. In my opinion, the gas cans (which WERE used to get her through Arizona and refilled in SLC), turning off her cell phone, changing her hair color, specifically asking for a non-flashy rental car... too many things point to a plan. I don't think there is reasonable doubt...

    But--I'm not on the jury...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasthinking View Post
    OMG,. OMG, could it be ...
    coupled with the Judge's 'do you have any exhibits in your folders' ... Juan's no holes in this is there! .... the quack is busted stealing exhibits and replacing them falsely to cover up his theft.
    I just watched the end of today's testimony, and I do believe this is EXACTLY what Juan will be telling us on Monday!

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    I missed most of today so forgive me if this was addressed. But is Dr Dick off the stand now? Or are there more juror questions?? I hope not

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    "This is the trial that never ends.....and it goes on and on MY friends! Somebody, started watching it, not knowing what it was.....and they will go on watching it forever just because.....this is the trial that never ends......and it goes on and on my frieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeends......(tra laa laaaa)....... x infinity.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by M Joy View Post
    I missed most of today so forgive me if this was addressed. But is Dr Dick off the stand now? Or are there more juror questions?? I hope not
    Oh, no....he's still there. ;)

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