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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian 1 View Post
    'A better class of guy, etc., etc." I think I just said that in my last post and I'm not a psychologist.
    I've said all along when she had to pull away in her Uhaul, losing her borrowed Futon and not wanted in Travis' beautiful home this loser knew that very day he was going to be a dead man.
    "Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are" --- Benjamin Franklin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chopstix View Post
    Sounds like the jury isn't buying what this guy is trying to sell.
    And over at JAII, 'Yes, very pro-jodie type questions. Or at least they are trying to understand what the Dr is saying'

    Reality sits somewhere in between.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakers the Wonder Dog View Post
    I gotta say that I think Tricky Dicky is doing more damage to Stabby on his own that what JM inflicted on him
    He might be the worst expert witness I've seen.

    Dr. DogAtMyHomework is unqualified to make the assessments he makes, at best.

    Sweaty palms can just as easily be an indication of lying, Doctor gift-giver.

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    I completely jumped the gun. You guys are right. It makes sense they were asked in the order received.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oh right View Post
    According to Websleuths, they removed the tiny pictures of Travis that were on the ribbons.

    They think it's Jodi's revenge for having her toys taken away. She was looking that way with a mean look before.

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...202451&page=16
    She's so fucking evil, I notice her looking at them all the time, she makes me sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kdon View Post
    What's the name of the twitter account?
    @honeyrun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian 1 View Post
    Travis was the at the apogee of Jodi's serial collection of 'men.' Remember, despite her glibness, she was an uneducated yokel, who managed to stumble into an opportunity in Las Vegas in September 2006, to meet a man who was successfully connected to life. Jodi Arias was primed to seize upon someone like Travis as the fulfillment of her highest hopes and she had just enough experience with the other losers to know that Travis could provide confirmation that she was born to live above her station in life.
    Sorry to bring my own post forward. But this is essentially what Dr. Dick said in answer to the last question before the noon recess. I don't know what's wrong with me?? Proves Jodi Arias was a predatory parasite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ***JiLL*** View Post
    I don't think saying "she told me" helps him out at all. We all know that Jodi is a proven liar. Her telling him anything means peanuts.
    Can you see Juan out of the gate -- all quack knows is what a liar reported to him
    "Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are" --- Benjamin Franklin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakers the Wonder Dog View Post

    The first story was a psychological defense mechanism, creation of an artificial reality. #JodiArias


    Or as we call it a LIE

    Were you crying when you were stabbing him? --SuperJuan Martinez
    Nobody believes a word out of your mouth. Why do you keep talking? -- ABC Interviewer to JA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chopstix View Post
    I wonder who Jodi and her lawyer were looking at when the jury was leaving. They were looking towards where Travis's family sit.
    I was wondering the same thing!! It looked like she asked willmott to move out of the way so she could be seen?? No clue by who though....maybe so the jury could get a better look at her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian 1 View Post
    'A better class of guy, etc., etc." I think I just said that in my last post and I'm not a psychologist.
    Have you had a bad hair cut recently? A hot shower? Sex? Maybe you have Transient Global Amnesia?

    Quote Originally Posted by ***JiLL*** View Post
    I sure hope Dr Dick was paid up front for all of his services
    Who would ever hire this guy again?
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    Just went back and read these texts
    --------------------------------
    May 26 Travis told JA to get LOST/Sociopath
    May 28 the RARE .25 cal pistol is reported missing from Jodi's Grandparents Home.
    JUNE 4 TRAVIS MURDERED
    --------------------------------

    Jodi sent Travis a text which Jodi claims she meant for her imaginary friend Steve Carrol. (Movie reference 40 year old Virgin; Travis WAS a 30 yr old virgin) Jodi sent Travis the text meant for Steve. Travis was angry at Jodi attempt to engage Travis with more of her lies.

    This is the Text from T to J in regards to J fake story about Steve Carrol.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    TEXT from T to J
    April 2008 (illegible)

    "you have that information. its 15 minutes it would take to gt the info. But you won't take 15 minutes. Why because it is an Fucking lie. So either text me you that you are ready
    to tell the truth or give me your imaginary friend with
    the worst BS story you have ever told or leave me alone.
    Its a lie like no other. It is freaking foolish. There is no way out of it, you have screwed up your story so bad you can't mend it. You are caught. When will you realize that. I do not know. You have til tomorrow. to have me this persons information before I tell all of the Hughes' Leslie Udy, the Freemans, your parents and anyone else that
    matters about all the crazy things you have done. So
    either fess up or feel the wrath. No matter how bad
    the truth is I promise you the punishment will be
    better than the lie. This is worse than your magical
    email that a mysterious man you've never seen before
    wrote for you. You insult me by thinking ill believe such
    crap. nothing else from you til the truth. I already know
    your lying so why continue. After tomorrow, its gonna
    get real bad for you. Time to spit it out."

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


    These 3 are all part of one long text,
    no replies from JA in between:

    05/26/08 at 07:59:15am

    I sent you a response to your dire conversation, that I hope you read because you need to read it. Maybe it will spark human emotion in you, something that only seems to exist when it comes to your own problems. But everyone
    else is just a part of your sick agenda. By the way, your pic comment to ***Danny Jones makes you look like a pure whore, even more to the people who know you. You should be embarrassed by it. If he knew what I knew about you he'd spit in your face. So would everyone else. I have never never in my life been hurt so bad by someone. But why do I
    even say it because you don't care. It doesn't serve
    your evilness.

    **** The Danny Jones comment was "are those man boobs or are you just ripped".

    05/26/08 at 08:35:02am

    You couldn't get off your lazy butt to to read it could
    you. That's the sociopath (I) know so well. it freakin
    figures

    05/26/08 at 09:11:11am

    I don't want your apology I want you to understand
    what I think of you. I want you to understand how evil I
    think you are. You are the worst thing that ever
    happened to me.

    May 26 Travis told JA to get LOST/Sociopath

    I wish I knew what thy were talking about.

    http://www.twitlonger.com/show/lajr3t

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chopstix View Post
    I wonder who Jodi and her lawyer were looking at when the jury was leaving. They were looking towards where Travis's family sit.
    When ever she gets pissy like that, she is telling Wilmutt to try and remove people from Travis' side from the courtroom, she tried to get one of his female friends kicked out a few weeks ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chopstix View Post
    I wonder who Jodi and her lawyer were looking at when the jury was leaving. They were looking towards where Travis's family sit.
    Meee Too--- JA whispers to Willmott & they both then look & Willmott turns & smiles =
    What did JA say? "Juror 2"

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    I get the sense that most of the jury questions are similar to what we have all been talking about, here. Many of the questions focused around how reliable these tests are, especially given that the subject is known to compulsively lie. Several questions on the ethics of his gift. The one I loved, and the one he seemed to "skirt" around, was "if you say that consistency in a story helped you to confirm that Jodi's stories were lies, and if her story is now very consistent, wouldn't that indicate she is not telling the truth?' or something to that effect. I understood to mean they were questioning her consistency with her self-defense story, not the ninja story. Also, he mentions possibility vs. probability. And, I think that Jodi SCREAMS of defying the odds, or averages, in her entire relationship with Travis. Therefore, the possibility stands out much more in her case.

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    Sorry for all the spelling mistakes.

    Sorry-but I don't think they are buying what doc is selling!

    3/‎21/‎13
    Late start. Twitter says attorneys are in chambers.
    Jodi has a Red top, white shirt and black pants. She looks nice today. Not as washed out looking.

    The dr is back on the stand to answer jury questions. Suppose to be 100+ (the Q & A are the short version)
    Jury Questions: Judge reads them out for the dr to answer.
    1. Are you only allowed to testify with your clients consent? Yes
    2. Fight or flight, does the body choose? Depends
    3. Can both happen at the same time? Yes
    4. Can memories blocked return? Only if hippocampus is really flooded
    5. How can we be certain you diagnose is not based on her lies? Based on my experience
    6. Did you hypz her? NO
    7. Did anyone else? No
    8. Fight or flight-do these memories exist? Not to me
    9. If she can draw from photos, or stories, etc-couldn't she remember then? NO. They make fake memories
    10. Are their other shrinks that have different opinions than you? There's never 100% agreement.
    11. acute stress-more than 6 mths after you interviewed her. Please explain? I was speculating and making my own determination. PTSD is not a "get out of free card" (now he's talking about meteors)
    12. On what dates did she take the test? Dec 2009
    13. Can you be sure Jodi is not lying to you? Not with 100%
    14. Would the shut down of the hippocampus be responsible for stress? Yes, but not totally. (not sure I got this question 100% correct)
    15. Do you think Jodi suppress memories or are they missing? Can't be for sure.
    16. Did you try hypz for the suppressed memories? No. The memories were not there
    17. What steps do you take to assure yourself that somebody is telling the truth about memory loss? I have to look at the evidence. Can't be 100%
    18. Is it possible somebody can fool a professional? Can't be 100% but I think I am right.
    19. Was Jodi tested more than once? No
    20. Could you tell when somebody is lying-or is it just your opinion? No. You have to explore
    21. She made negative statements in her diary even though you said she didn't? They were mild statements.
    22. Are there other disorders that would be the same? Yes. (now he explains why he's right)
    23. Is there any science to explain about a stressful event? Maybe (now he explains why he is right)
    24. How do you ask your question when you are interviewing a person? I just usually let them speak. I may ask a leading question
    25. TGA- a juror calls him on his percentage being off from one day to the next and he corrects the juror.
    26. TGA- is the list all inclusive? Unlikely
    27. Does Jodi take medication to treat PTSD? Tranquilizer and anti depression
    28. Time article-How did Jodi gets so much done on the day she killed Travis? Now dr. is explain about basic surival decisions.
    29. Did you diagnose any conditions not mentioned? Anxiety and a personality disorder
    30. Appears- Are you not 100% for sure? We are seldom 100% sure.
    31. Are your opinions based on what the patient tells you? Not all the way
    32. Shock event-can the brain still function to make a rational decision? Not always rational. For example in this case, a camera was found in the washer (Objection from the state)

    Approach Judge
    33. When discussing thoughts, did you use actors? The story changed is what the word "actors" meant.
    34. Tremors or shakes-How can you tell PTSD causes this, and it's not fear for herself? Jodi told me.
    35. Did you see Jodi shaking before she mentioned it? I did not notice it b/c I was behind a wall.
    36. Are the actions a person commits while the hippocampus (- poor planned (did not get this whole question)
    37. Are action with a person personality able to control the hippocampus? Acute stress makes you stressed and work on autopilot
    38. Can these actions be the extreme opposite? Can the mind choose? The brain can't choose. (something about an elevator)
    39. Adrenalin output would increase if you are killing somebody? (state objects)

    Approach Judge
    39. Repeat- Yes it's possible, just not probable
    40. If not, why? People are different
    41. PTSD and comparing Jodi to police and solider. Is that fair? PTSD is a label to list symptons.
    42. Selective anmnesia? not valid
    43. Would you still treat somebody that was not honest? No
    44. Why didn't you give Jodi the test again? The score would not have changed
    45. 25-30 hours is a short time to test somebody for PTSD ? No usually it's 6-10 hours.
    46. Is the M test used for other test? Yes, some companies do
    47. PTSD, when did you catch the errors? Nov or Dec preparing for trial
    48. Do you fill they were big errors? No, not really
    49. Jodi remembers the beginning of the attack and end-so she has memories of the attack, right? NO
    50. Can the stress occur if somebody plans to kill verus defending? Possible but not probable
    51. DO you often make mistakes in your reports? No
    52. Where was Jodi when she came out of her fog? Hoover Dam
    53. You have issues with omitting or forgetting information? Don't you think that is important? Yes
    54. Why wasn't she retested? It wouldn't change the score.
    55. Do you consider yourself an impartical 3 rd party? I try to be
    56
    57. Why the gift? I don't feel it was wrong.
    58. Explain the phone call between Jodi and her mom? Lots of calls. They get angry
    59. ?Jodi described it as venting towards her mother
    60. In your opinion, do you think Jodi was assertive if she confronts bf and gf's? I don't think she was assertive
    61. Do medications cause any of the anmensia you mentioned? Yes
    62. Are you not 100% sure Jodi suffers from accute stress? That's correct
    63. Anal sex. Is it important or not? It was only important for how many times.
    64. When somebody changes the story, does it raise a red flag? Always, but IMO, Jodi is telling the truth. He was thinking about MP at one time
    65. Sending a self help is more for therapy? I concur. It can help
    66. You said if somebody changes the story, it's more believeable. Is that correct? Yes
    67. If Jodi is lying now, wouldn't it make sense her story is consisant? Yes
    68. Who conducted the interview with Jodi's friends? Def
    69. PD Scales? No didn't use them
    70. What are you suppose to do if somebody is suicidal? Inform people
    71.
    72. Why do you believe Jodi's self esteem was low when she met Travis? Jodi told me

    Recess
    Return at 1:25

    Sorry, I missed some of the questions.
    Last edited by bermstalker; 03-21-2013 at 11:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elamir View Post
    When ever she gets pissy like that, she is telling Wilmutt to try and remove people from Travis' side from the courtroom, she tried to get one of his female friends kicked out a few weeks ago.
    Seriously?? On what grounds??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cocopop View Post
    Meee Too--- JA whispers to Willmott & they both then look & Willmott turns & smiles =
    What did JA say? "Juror 2"
    Jodi: There's the guy...look, look. I think he likes me!
    Willmott: Huh? Who?
    Jodi: Juror 2!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilangiepangie View Post
    I completely jumped the gun. You guys are right. It makes sense they were asked in the order received.
    Jury was literally mocking him with some of those questions. Just like they did to Stabby



    Quote Originally Posted by wasthinking View Post
    I've said all along when she had to pull away in her Uhaul, losing her borrowed Futon and not wanted in Travis' beautiful home this loser knew that very day he was going to be a dead man.
    "losing her borrowed futon"

    Quote Originally Posted by Chopstix View Post
    I wonder who Jodi and her lawyer were looking at when the jury was leaving. They were looking towards where Travis's family sit.
    Right after she came into the court room and after TA's supporters were asked to remove pics/ribbons she kept glancing over that them and she was gloating to herself. Looking all smug and satisfied with herself. I hate her more now than I ever did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oh right View Post
    OMG! The accident was on July 11, 2008. Did Jodi put a spell on her or something?
    I've said it before, I can feel her evilness floating out from my TV like that scene in the movie 'Poltergeist'...

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowfallsoon View Post
    Seriously?? On what grounds??
    It was that chick that keeps going on the HLN shows with the accent. The "psychic" one. Stabby said she was making faces at her while she was on the stand testifying
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    Quote Originally Posted by ***JiLL*** View Post
    Wouldn't his 3-8% amnesia BS be considered "possible but not probable" as well??
    Didn't he clarify by saying the correct figure is 3 to 8 cases in every 100,000? That's .00003% to .00008%. A very small number. Don't see any statistical significance in it unless you're talking about the population of China! No?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartyT View Post
    I particularly like the reference to literature that 'Ian 1' includes in a detailed post. It is plausible that her principle objective may have been to win him over - one last desperate bid to make him see sense and love her. Maybe she wanted to force him at gunpoint to listen to her pleas? That may have been her fantasy outcome but her planning shows an intention to murder him. Her practical preparations show that she knew deep down that her fantasy objective would not work.
    I find the above snippet intriguing. In the Betty Broderick case, that is almost the exact scenario Betty described in court, that she had taken the gun with her to Dan and Linda's home to try to force him to listen to her and perhaps even shoot herself in front of him so he would have to live with the guilt. It worked for Betty in her first trial, which ended in a hung jury (I believe a man was the lone juror who caused that mistrial and was quoted as saying he didn't know what took her so long to shoot Dan)...I'm still inclined to think this trial is going to end up with a hung jury as well.

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    They said earlier on HLN that the other women in jail love her and think she is amazing :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowfallsoon View Post
    Seriously?? On what grounds??
    Don't quote me as it was a while ago, but for something like looking at Arias--it was early on in the court observers thread on WS

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