Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[Brillig]

Just an aside...premeditation can happen in a minute! Even if all this planning stuff before the killing happened doesn't wash she still had a minute to make her choice. JMHO.

Yes, there are cases that hold that. Even a few moments has been considered premeditation.

[*crickets*]

Obviously, we are familiar with this list. And I grant you that all of them are highly suspicious, especially as a group. I personally think that she planned ahead to kill him.

But you could also say that nothing on that list specifically points to her going there with the goal of killing him, beyond a reasonable doubt. IF they matched the gun, then I would say yes. If they found the knife and a receipt for its purchase, I would say yes, she obtained these weapons and brought them there to kill him. But the list of premediation could just be a crazy, confused woman melting down mentally over an ex-boyfriend on a trip to see Ryan Burns. Maybe she was ashamed to admit she still wanted to see Travis and tried to cover her tracks in her own crazy mind. Not likely but certainly possible.

We can talk cover-up all day long. We can say she planned to hide her presence in Arizona, that is obvious. But maybe she just went to his house not planning to kill him, but to rough him up? What if she planned to tie him up and threaten him with a gun? That is not premeditated murder. At what point did she decide to kill him, was her life in danger, and did she have the option to retreat?

This is where her own words could hang her. She talked about going into the closet, and having a moment. She decided to go for the gun when running was an option. This was on direct, Nurmi was leading her through the killing, and it sounded to me like in her own words she admitted she had time to reflect and still went for the gun. That moment sounds like stronger proof of premeditated murder than anything the state has presented so far (with the exception of the autopsy & crime scene photos). If she formed the intent to kill at that point when he was not even in the room with her, that is enough for me.

Good point, except her story is that she pointed the gun at him to get him to stop, not kill him. She didn't mean to fire it, it 'accidentally' went off.

[poppym]

Is that a real site? Ha.

I don't think she's innocent.

You've got to be kidding me!!!!

[Brillig]

Now we're talking. Her behavior directly related to the murder weapons is where the money is for the prosecution. I wish they would focus more energy on that. There is an indirect link between her and a (we don't know if it's the) .25 gun. Is that conclusive enough for you to convict for premeditated murder?

YES.

And I think Juan IS focusing on the gun, that is why he kept after her and kept after her to show she was lying about it being Travis' gun which was kept on a shelf in his closet.

[ImBatman!]

"She had time to reflect" = 1 minute or less= premeditation.

[Ron_NYC]

You've got to be kidding me!!!!

Huh? I don't think she's innocent though!
I mean, I don't think she did it alone, I can understand finding that shit funny.

[wasthinking]

I don't even know where to start!!! Totally apathy for what is going on!

I'm not a professional in the field and don't know the formal terminology but what I see in layman's words is

It is as if there is a switch that can be easily flipped. IOWs that game is over, backed into a corner, her 'game' isn't fun anymore, she's bored since she did't 'win' and simply flips that switch... moves on and instantly, the old boring game is left behind. New focus, me, and gee, I should do my makeup, that'll be fun.

[ImBatman!]

I'm not a professional in the field and don't know the formal terminology but what I see in layman's words is

It is as if there is a switch that can be easily flipped. IOWs that game is over, backed into a corner, her 'game' isn't fun anymore, she's bored since she did't 'win' and simply flips that switch... moves on and instantly, the old boring game is left behind. New focus, me, and gee, I should do my makeup, that'll be fun.

I think Ive actually given up trying to figure this woman out...I agree with the boredom and "this isn't fun anymore" thing though.

[ImBatman!]

I think Ive actually given up trying to figure this woman out...I agree with the boredom and "this isn't fun anymore" thing though.

Not to serial post...and it is NOT PTSD!!!!

[Kdon]

Oh wow. It's real alright.

Did u also notice on that site they are telling everyone to visit their sister site "caseyanthonyisinnocent". I'm not sure why they hadn't added a site for poor OJ

[Ron_NYC]

Did u also notice on that site they are telling everyone to visit their sister site "caseyanthonyisinnocent". I'm not sure why they hadn't added a site for poor OJ

Not to be a dick, but Casey Anthony is innocent you know.

[coconut]

Ron, you're the fucking accomplice, we get it. Stop being jealous of Jodi taking the spotlight from you. Just show us the ninja warrior outfit.

[Kdon]

Not to be a dick, but Casey Anthony is innocent you know.

So is OJ

[ggmick]

I'm new to the site so forgive me if this is something that has already been repeated! :) I love that we can discuss the case here. It's kind of riveting. Here's my theory of what happened that day.

What she didn't plan on is Travis not dying quickly. He fought to live, hence the butchering job she did on him, and the blood everywhere down the hall. Here's what I think happened:

Stabbed while sitting in the shower - simply ambushed.
Struggles with her (defensive wounds)
Gets up to cough up the blood that is filling his chest and throat (the blood spatter in the sink) - all the while, she's stabbing him in the chest and hands while he is making his way to the sink. When he's facing the sink and coughing, in comes the stab wounds to the back.
He crawls down the hall to get away from her. (This could account for the wounds to the back of his head).
He's still not dead, so here comes the thrusting the head back and slashing his throat.
I am in the medical field and when people are dying or newly deceased, they still make sounds. I think this caused Jodi to shoot him to make sure - but he was probably already dead, hence no major blood loss from the head shot.
It was easy for her to drag him back to the shower because the tile had been flooded for whatever reason. He "slid" easily. Combine that with her adrenaline, and I would imagine she could get him from the end of the hall to the showe. It was all tile, correct?
Wash the DNA off his body - quick, panicked cleanup (since she obviously meant one stab to the heart would mean death and didn't anticipate such a struggle)
Leaves.

I do not usually watch court cases and am not one for gore, but this case is intriguing, largely due to her blatant lies. I feel bad for Travis. Most men (I am a woman so I am assuming) have a very difficult time cutting off a sexual relationship, especially one where the woman is willing to act out fantasies, etc. It's too tempting. I fully believe that at some course of that day, had Travis said, "Go to Cancun with me", he'd be alive today. He seemed like a good kid. Such a horrible way to die.

[phantompoet]

Not to be a dick, but Casey Anthony is innocent you know.

she is not guilty and not innocent

[ImBatman!]

In some states premeditation can happen mere seconds before the murder.

[wasthinking]

Not to serial post...and it is NOT PTSD!!!!

No it's not that one I know for sure. Ridiculous how her expert had to read verbatim out of everything to try and make it that though. What a clown.

[CreepyGus]

I saw this report on youtube last week. According to this person, both of the sites are run by someone in Pakistan. Don't know if its true, but found it interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9yM2MRM5to

[poppym]

Not to serial post...and it is NOT PTSD!!!!

NOR IS IT TRANSIENT GLOBAL AMNESIA1 This is, typically a state of confusion 'in the present moment'! i.e, memory loss is typically assigned to EVERYTHING up to the episode TGA! i.e, "Who am I, Who are you. Where am I?' Not At All, typically stabbing another human being 29 times and slitting their neck from ear o ear!!

[Ron_NYC]

Ron, you're the fucking accomplice, we get it. Stop being jealous of Jodi taking the spotlight from you. Just show us the ninja warrior outfit.

So is OJ

Exactly.

she is not guilty.

Fixed.

[ImBatman!]

I saw this report on youtube last week. According to this person, both of the sites are run by someone in Pakistan. Don't know if its true, but found it interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9yM2MRM5to

Very interesting!

[Jillee]

Oh wow. It's real alright.

Kinda gross...

And Ron, she definately had dirty feet. Really dirty feet. Like Brittany Spears- barefoot in a gas station-dirty feet.

[poppym]

Not to be a dick, but Casey Anthony is innocent you know.

Not to be a DICK and correct you! But Casey Anthony was found NOT GUILTY! This is a far cry from ACTUAL INNOCENCE! Check out your law!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actual_innocence

[Khile]

Wasthinking's collage tells much. (page 1261 if the photos don't come up, i am getting a blue circle and blank page)

Below are the seconds between each photo. In the photo at 29:20 where he is staring into the camera, Travis is now SITTING down, evidenced by the creased in his neck, arm on knee and back leaning on wall. IMO, the attack begins by 30:30. I also believe that she wanted him AWAKE and and knowing what is going to happen. I do not think he is going Calvin Klein here, but scared with a weapon on him.

12, 18 ,6, 24, 6, 60, 18, 4, 4, 4, 116, 16, 6, 10, 86, 18, 8, 70, 44, 62, 76 seconds in between photos

23:30 to 24:30 (116 seconds) with his arms up are like she told him, 'put your arms up'. 116 seconds between poses is not a photo shoot. It is her tormenting him.

the one of Travis staring into the camera looks like the same pose as the dark photo right before it; he held that stare for 8 seconds. It is 70 seconds to the leg shot; I think he had been attacked by then. That is a long time to just sit there. 44 seconds until the ceiling shot; 62 seconds to the dragging shot; and 76 seconds until the final shot of the floor board, still dragging.

This is just my opinion of what was going on. IMO she left and came back armed and ready. No argument about a dropped camera or anything else - premediated while trapped in shower murder that she came fully prepared to carry out. Nothing could have changed her mind other than someone interrupting. She knew there was no way to change the Cancun plans, they were just days away. Tickets were already purchased - that was not her goal. Her goal was to kill from the second she left Yreka.

The timeline of the photos proves premeditation, there is no way it could have happened spontaneously that quickly. Her cover up and calling Travis and others furthers the premeditation. The gas cans, rental car, granny's missing gun, hair color, Ryan Burns, calling Flores ~ all icing on the cake.

Excellent analysis. If I were the head of this investigation, I'd want you on my team.

[poppym]

Oh wow. It's real alright.

PULEASE!!!