Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[CreepyGus]

So, if we were to sum up the Dr's testimony in a short concise statement, we could say that Jodi gave herself PTSD because she's a heinous criminal?

[snowfallsoon]

"Murder suspect Jodi Arias has already changed her story twice when it comes to how Travis Alexander died on June 4, 2008, and now her close friend is claiming the brutal killing was a Mormon ?blood atonement plot.?

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/20...-arias-friend/

Isn't that what that man "I am scientist" was saying?

[coconut]

Hey Nurmi, you big hot teddybear, do you remember that time when you were asking me all kinds of probing questions about dirty sex? We were like talking about anal and jizz right in front of my mom and the bishop! Just like you wanted! Do you remember how we were on tv and everyone on the internet was talking about my vag and you kept calling me a three hole wonder? And I was like I can't masturabate right now because I have to use two hands to make it all the way to the Ozone? You're the first man to make me cum for real, I'm not lying at all, I think about you every night in my cell when I do the two-handed jailhouse cookie rub and it's just like eating Cinnabon in heaven with Brigham Young.

[Cocopop]

I have a question. During the testimony she said she lied to 'everybody.'
Wouldn't that mean she lied to this doctor person before the trial if she has seen him since 2009 for only 13 times? Wouldn't he fall into that 'everybody' category?

Of Course he would fall into that category--- he is no different then anybody else who believes her lies.

[snowfallsoon]

no never on friday, no till monday

Thanks, I meant to write 'court'...

[I doubt it]

OOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

So, this is supposed to have been written by this expert witness. It involves Matt McCartney and the pedophilia letters - oh and Juan threatening him with PERJURY!!!!

Shanna Hogan is a journalist and true-crime author. "Picture Perfect" about Jodi Arias, coming out in Oct. is her 2nd book. Who said expert?

[songbirdsong]

(Sorry for posting so quickly again, but this was posted while I was writing and publishing my previous one.)

My cousin's killer is a decent artist at times as well. It must be in the Evil Killer's Handbook or something. But seriously, it's a shame what these people choose to do with their lives, when they could have done some amazing other things.

Yep. Have you seen Hitler's watercolors? It fucks with my head trying to reconcile artistic talent with the capacity for evil:

Her mustache is nothing compared to what I would be sporting if I were in jail. They might have to call me Mr. Justice11 if I were in jail and didn't have access to tweezers!

Right? I would a have single giant eyebrow. Not gonna lie though, I hate the fact that her hair curtain is all nice and smooth and I have these bitch-ass flyaways.

"An extensive evaluation of the respondent, in depth case analysis and research contributes to a succinct report which often will result in a more favorable outcome for your client" Dr Richard Samuels

http://svpexpertwitness.com/evaluations.asp

What did I say? LOL Want to bet he's also watched every bit of her testimony as well?

I don't interpret that as an offer to bend the rules of psychology to a client's case. He's saying that --in general / regardless of whether a client is innocent or guilty -- a report from an expert is more effective and efficient than having a non-expert address every single psychological aspect of the client.

Then again, he does appear to have some ethical violations on his record, so whoops

Like others have said, subjectivity is a problem. I think experts can testify without actually having faith in the client's guilt or innocence, but it requires them to separate professional experience from personal beliefs. From a professional standpoint, this guy has to evaluate Jodi based solely on the evidence and accounts brought to him by the defense -- and he has to do so with the assumption that this information is the truth: innocent until proven guilty. He doesn't have to look at bullet trajectory or closets or blood splatter. It's opinion, but there's still a difference between a personal opinion and a professional opinion.

I called and they said that any information has to be emailed and gave me an email address. I'm guessing they probably get a LOT of calls on this case. I wrote it all up and submitted it along with my contact information. No idea what will come of it, but at least I contributed what I know. I feel good about that at least.

I wonder if it would be considered hearsay? Not that the defense hasn't been beating us over the head with the hearsay bat, but still. I would have done the same thing as you did, though, and I'm glad that it gave you a bit of peace.

I know what you are saying, but he is speaking about the police officer's brain during that moment with statements of fact he just does not have.

Make no mistake. He is not there as an unbiased witness. He is 100% on Jodi's side. And he is getting well paid for it.

Love ya Jem...we may have to just agree to disagree on this guy.

ETA: I will admit to being biased against anyone who is there to help Jodi. I'm only human.

Yep.

Man, you guys are taking a beating today.

Pffft, no. Pro-Jodi or Pro-Travis, we're all just gawkers. The only people who are taking a beating are those directly involved in the case, and they take beatings regardless of which side they support and will continue to be beaten by it for the rest of their lives. It's sad.

[Brillig]

After watching his testimony today that the main purpose of this witness is to explain why it was reasonable for Stabby to:

1) Be in a fog and not remember most of the details of the murder
2) Act normal around other people within hours of the murder
3) Lie about what she did afterwards by making up a couple different stories

I have enough faith in this jury to think that they are not going to fall for this obvious and extremely convenient (for Stabby) bullshit.

[Mousy]

Hey Nurmi, you big hot teddybear, do you remember that time when you were asking me all kinds of probing questions about dirty sex? We were like talking about anal and jizz right in front of my mom and the bishop! Just like you wanted! Do you remember how we were on tv and everyone on the internet was talking about my vag and you kept calling me a three hole wonder? And I was like I can't masturabate right now because I have to use two hands to make it all the way to the Ozone? You're the first man to make me cum for real, I'm not lying at all, I think about you every night in my cell when I do the two-handed jailhouse cookie rub and it's just like eating Cinnabon in heaven with Brigham Young.

[NCBlonde]

Whether she lied to the psychologist or not isn't necessarily relevant. He basically implied that the abuse excuse/self-defense claim came from himself and Mr. Nurmi. They decided that Jodi must've been suffering from PTSD, without the psychologist interviewing her beforehand, and pulled this 3rd claim out of the air. Obviously they crafted their case to try and make it fit self-defense with a side order of PTSD.

Martinez could certainly bring up the "I lied to everyone" statement and question the doctor about it. But, he'd probably be more likely to bring up the doc saying that the newest defense was basically his and Nurmi's idea, and not something Jodi actually claimed, until she saw the psychologist.

[Doll-Face]

Man, you guys are taking a beating today.

I've been out of the loop today, so I don't know what's happening with the defense expert. What does this^^ statement mean? Who is taking a beating?

[Brillig]

Then the next expert witness will come on and explain why it was reasonable for Stabby to slaughter Travis with extreme overkill.

And the final result is that Stabby should be excused (in their expert opinions), from all responsibility for slaughtering Travis, then having a fog, then covering it up, then lying about it.

But the jurors are not morons, and I don't think they are going to buy it.

[I doubt it]

Yes...he will for sure go into all of that. At least Willmott is quicker than Nurmi in asking her questions.

The "test" to "prove" she had PTSD? I bet you I could take the same test and get the same results. PTSD is not diagnosed the same way as something like strep throat. It is NOT a 100% diagnosable disorder. He speaks about it like it is. I highly disagree with that. It is subjective to say the least.

grrrrr, going back to my time-out corner now.

The first test, he said Jodi filled out herself, did she have a chance to take it back to her cell and go over with her roomies?

My second question for this guy:
Some of the criteria you check off for Jodi's PTSD, are they also the criteria for other disorders?

Where is ImBatman when we need him? Please be nice when he comes back.

[Brillig]

I've been out of the loop today, so I don't know what's happening with the defense expert. What does this^^ statement mean? Who is taking a beating?

Biggie is implying that the prosecution is taking a beating. I don't think the prosecutution is taking a beating at all, but opinions can differ.

[Dimple blossom]

After watching his testimony today that the main purpose of this witness is to explain why it was reasonable for Stabby to:

1) Be in a fog and not remember most of the details of the murder
2) Act normal around other people within hours of the murder
3) Lie about what she did afterwards by making up a couple different stories

I have enough faith in this jury to think that they are not going to fall for this obvious and extremely convenient (for Stabby) bullshit.

Agreed! Going on what the Jurors have asked, I feel they hate her. She's done, there is nothing the defense can do in my opinion.

[snowfallsoon]

"Jodi Arias' death penalty trial has concluded for the week after a defense witness said she suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder."

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/art...#ixzz2NYlhP66J

[snowfallsoon]

Biggie is implying that the prosecution is taking a beating. I don't think the prosecutution is taking a beating at all, but opinions can differ.

I thought the prosecution was supplying the beating. Just my correct opinion.

[Person]

I could have sworn I saw her mouth the words "bam". Wish I could rewind this.

I did. Jodi said to the lawyer: "Yep, that would have been better."

[gigiann]

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Would the autopsy of TAs brain show any abnormalities related to the amount of stress he must have experience?

[*crickets*]

All experts think they're right and this guy is obviously passionate about his research and his field. He has opinions like everyone else, it's just unfortunate they happen to fit in to what the defence is trying to sell.

He is passionate about making a lot of money saying what the defense wants the jury to hear.

[NCBlonde]

I've been out of the loop today, so I don't know what's happening with the defense expert. What does this^^ statement mean? Who is taking a beating?

Biggie is a Jodi supported. He/she thinks the prosecution (and those of us who want justice) took a beating because the defense witness (a psychologist) was trying to claim Jodi suffered from PTSD after she murdered Travis and so that explains why she was acting normal, repressing memories, etc.

He basically shot himself in the foot though when he said he went into the meeting with Jodi assuming she was suffering from PTSD and it was basically his suggestion, rather than coming from Jodi.

He also spouted a lot of nonsense in trying to explain her fog and how she could drive and do things, even though she was supposedly in this fog. He was trying to say that Jodi met the criteria and acted like someone with PTSD; then he compared her to soldiers and police officers who have to kill someone, or someone who had killed someone in a hunting accident, and how they could repress memories. How he remotely thought that an accidental shooting or a shooting in the line of duty compared to someone who intentionally butchered another person, I don't know.

Cross-examination of this witness should be good.

[MartyT]

I hope that Martinez will play the clip where Det. Flores asked Jodi if she wanted to see the crime scene photos and she said yes. She was so traumatized and wanted to repress that, that she wanted to look at her handiwork, eh? .

Yup.

I bet Martinez questions how thoroughly Dr Samuels read the journals. She didn't have one negative word? Huh? I can think of plenty. Suicide is a positive thought, is it?

I am sick of listening to commentators whom know less about the trial than people on this forum. Samuels hasn't done his homework. I have nothing against him but criminals have been faking memory and innocence for the longest time. As for the sleep disorder, check her journals. Sleeping all day in jail sure cuts the appetite for sleep at night. Clearly, he missed her vampire sleep phase.

[AnnieBelle]

Hey, doc....can you prove a memory did not return (if it actually disappeared at all)? No...didn't think so.

Is there ANYTHING that Jodi has not offended or attempted to make a mockery of? Jeesh, she even tried to give rodents a bad name. How low can she go....

[Dimple blossom]

I did. Jodi said to the lawyer: "Yep, that would have been better."

Oh okay, thank you!

[CreepyGus]

If I was in jail, I would be hyper-vigilant too. And it would have nothing to do with PTSD.