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    [QUOTE=poppym;3352463]

    (MY ABSOLUTE FAVORITE FREUDIAN SLIP!!!)

    JA Answer: "I DON'T RECALL FEAR BEING A PROMINENT.......I MEAN I'M SORRY.......I DON'T RECALL ANGER BEING A PROMINENT.....[Juan: "I'm going to object. She previously indicated she doesn't remember! If she does remember, she should tell us!"] "I REMEMBER EMOTIONS JUDGE!" (Oops! WTF) [Judge Sherry: "Alright, the question was - Were you mad at Travis while you were stabbing him?"] "I don't remember being angry that day, I remember being terrified." [Juan: "Objection. Non-responsive. The question was 'while you were stabbing him.'"] [Judge Sherry: "Sus....I'm going to sustain the objection. I think you've answered the question."]

    Your posts PoppyM are great!That was the best slip up yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian 1 View Post
    Good on you for picking up on this. It's got two important words that shows what an inept and manipulative liar Jodi Arias is--REMEMBER and RECALL. Anybody who has ever taken an acting class is taught a concept called 'Emotional Recall' - reaching back into your rational memory to 'remember' events in your life in order to (irrationally) 'recall' the emotions you felt at that particular time. Then, the actor utilizes that Emotional Recall to project what the character is feeling at that moment in the drama. e.g. If the character is supposed to be happy at that moment, you reach back into your own memory of events in your life to re-live happy moments/memories, (your daddy pushing you on a swing when you were a kid, etc.) that triggers and recalls the emotion. We all experience what we refer to as 'flashbacks.' You can be hanging on a subway strap when, suddenly, a memory of an event comes to you involuntarily. First you get the memory and then you get the emotion/feeling--in that order--(and then you groan out loud and everybody looks around for your attendant). Conversely, you can't get the emotion/feeling without the memory. You can't 'remember emotions, Judge' you can only remember events. You can't recall emotions unless you remember exactly the event that brought them on. The more vivid the memory, the more heightened the emotion! (e.g. I remember my Dad's Funeral. It made me feel sad). Right there, Jodi Arias failed acting 101. She's trying to tell us, 'I can't remember killing Travis Alexander, I can only remember how I felt while I was doing it." Pure deception! I hope the Jury catches on. How the hell can they believe that Jodi Arias remembers what she felt, when virtually everything in her demeanor and what she says and what she writes, reveals that she actually remembers everything but doesn't feel anything about Travis Alexander except petulant resentment and homicidal rage.

    Now, all you psych. types jump on me. lol. Remember I started this post talking about acting.

    (You see, people do read your posts and pay careful attention to what you say. You make good sense out of nonsense.)
    Great explanation Ian. Great post!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sheesh View Post
    Foul!

    I call foul for that word picture!!!

    10am in california, so 1pm?

    Good morning.

    What time EST does testimony begin today? I know Arizona doesn't do daylight savings time?
    10am in california, so 1pm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loonywop View Post
    and if she doesn't get the DP will you feel like your team lost? Of course she should pay for her crime but I'm not the judge nor the jury ,I wouldn't want those shoes...Alot of people have alot of different ideas of what "justice" should be in this case.
    Rethink that. There's another Team. It's called the People of the State of Arizona. They're the ones prosecuting Jodi Arias through their courts, an institution that they have established to protect the members of their society from those who would bring chaos to their lives by attacking and destroying the values upon which that society is built. The process you are witnessing is didactic. It reinforces and teaches us what those values are. It belongs to all of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harlette View Post
    Travis Alexander, the ex-boyfriend Jodi Arias is charged with murdering, was convicted of 2002 theft and misdemeanor battery charges, according to court documents.

    UPDATE: According to Jane Velez-Mitchell, Travis Alexander spoke of being a victim of identity fraud when he worked as a motivational speaker.

    However, Alexander's brother, Dennis Alexander, says he was the one who actually committed the crime.

    "It's something that I am ashamed of," Dennis Alexander told The Huffington Post. "I have been clean for almost 10 years and it's something Travis forgave me for a long time ago. He was a righteous guy and he never did anything wrong. It was all me. It was my doing. Travis was a gentleman. The furthest thing he would ever do is any sort of crime."

    The charges, noted in California court documents obtained by The Huffington Post, accuse Travis Alexander of assaulting a store security guard in 2002, six years before he was slain in his Mesa, Ariz., home. Alexander was eventually convicted of the charges and sentenced to probation, according to his lawyer.

    A key element of Arias? murder defense has been her claim that Alexander was abusive. No evidence has been presented in the trial that suggests Alexander had any criminal history.

    Arias, 32, is accused of shooting Alexander in the head, stabbing him 27 times and cutting his throat from ear to ear on June 4, 2008. She claims the killing was self-defense and could face the death penalty if convicted. The prosecution contends that Arias killed Alexander in a jealous rage.

    Travis Alexander was 24 when he was charged with shoplifting and scuffling with a security guard at a Stater Brothers supermarket in his hometown of Riverside, Calif., in March 2002. Alexander was 30 when he was killed.

    Alexander ?did willfully and unlawfully steal and take personal merchandise? valued at less than $400 from the merchant, according to the criminal complaint filed in Superior Court of California. He "wilfully and unlawfully use[d] force and violence" against a man named Fred Lopez, according to the complaint.

    Lopez worked for Stater Brothers at the time, a store spokesperson said. He hasn't worked there in about 10 years and efforts by HuffPost to contact him were unsuccessful.

    The public defender who represented Alexander had incomplete records from the case, but recalled that Alexander got caught trying to steal an item valued at less than $50. Lopez tried to stop Alexander, and a physical altercation ensued, lawyer Debra Rice said.

    "It looks like he was convicted of both of them -- the battery and the shoplifting," Rice told The Huffington Post. "That was 11 years ago, so I really don't remember much other than what I am looking up" in computer records. Rice added, "It looks like he shoplifted something and Lopez tried to stop him from taking it. It was a felony battery when he was arrested, and then it was filed [in court] as a misdemeanor."

    Alexander was sentenced to three years' probation. Court documents said Alexander failed to comply with a court order in March 2002 to submit a financial disclosure form to the court.

    Grover Trask, the former district attorney who prosecuted the case in Riverside, said he was unable to remember any details.

    However, according to Travis Alexander's brother, he was the one who actually committed the crime.

    Travis Alexander's brother, Dennis Alexander, told HuffPost that Travis Alexander was not involved in the theft and battery. Dennis Alexander said he committed the crime and falsely identified himself to arresting police officers as Travis Alexander.

    "That was a time in my life when I was addicted to drugs and was a real mess," Dennis Alexander said. "I was stealing Sudafed, an ingredient in manufacturing methamphetamines."

    Dennis Alexander said he was attempting to leave the store when he was approached by a security guard. "They tackled me and beat me up pretty good," he said. "I was already on parole and would have went to prison, so I used Travis' name and information. When they arrested me, they fingerprinted me and put it in the computer and found out who I was. They sent me to prison for a parole violation."

    The court documents and Rice's public defender records indicate the case made it through court in Travis Alexander's name.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...?utm_hp_ref=tw
    Has anyone seen any comments on the Jodi is Innocent site since their bombshell fizzled? (And sorry Harlette for posting that on your rep)

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    Stabby's brother on facebook as to why she recorded the sex tape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freethinker View Post
    Before this thread takes off later today, tell me about Darryl Brewer. How come he testified with no facial identity? He sounded honest,but hesitated about the gas can loaning. It still didn't make sense her driving way out of the way to "borrow" cans. Didn't he question her about how she was to get the cans back to him?Why would he even accept her answer about her planned trip? He might be honest, but this is a puzzling part to me.
    DB was far from open and honest. He should be ashamed! Disgusting example of a father to get on the stand and be a role model for being an evasive creep and liar to help a killer.

    JA returned the favor in her usual evil style though, she let the world know he had a "drinking problem"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakers the Wonder Dog View Post



    Stabby's brother on facebook as to why she recorded the sex tape.

    Argh! Sorry - link didn't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinkasaurus View Post
    By getting Jodi to admit she did things to cover up / hide what she did, it forces the jury to recognize that taking action to cover up/hide means that you are aware that you did something worth hiding.

    I hope they connect those dots....
    'I was raised around guns, I knew you never point a gun at someone'

    And the crowd roared ..
    thank you killer! Now back to your tiny cement cell and look up INTENT under DP Murder.

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    NOTE: TO COMPEL; BUSINESS RECORDS FROM WAL-MART AND TESORO
    3/12/2013 MOT - Motion - Party (001) 3/12/2013
    NOTE: TO COMPEL CRIMINAL HISTORY OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER
    3/11/2013 012 - ME: Trial - Party (001) 3/11/2013
    3/8/2013 012 - ME: Trial - Party (001) 3/8/2013
    3/8/2013 012 - ME: Trial - Party (001) 3/8/2013
    3/8/2013 LOW - List Of Witnesses/Exhibit/Evidence - Party (001) 3/8/2013


    Could Party 001 be the Prosecution and Party 012 be the Defense?

    http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.go...=CR2008-031021
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    Quote Originally Posted by M Joy View Post
    Exactly. Her story is ridiculous (to say the least). I can almost understand being "in a fog" during the stabbing (although we know she wasn't!) but not during the clean-up/cover-up process. Not while cleaning Travis' body, deleting pictures, doing laundry, taking weapons, getting into her car and driving... only to "come to" in the middle of the desert.
    I have hope since Mr. Martinez has experience with killers who claim fog and self defense. Jodi is trying to use both though.
    She also testified that she was in "the fog" dry humping Ryan Burns. I believe it was JM that asked her if she was still in the fog with Ryan Burns and her reply was yes. I remember this because I remember thinking, I thought you came out of the fog in the middle of the desert bitch?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jinkasaurus View Post
    By getting Jodi to admit she did things to cover up / hide what she did, it forces the jury to recognize that taking action to cover up/hide means that you are aware that you did something worth hiding.

    I hope they connect those dots....
    Her testimony has always been that she didn't tell anyone because she felt like she did something wrong. Ya think?
    "so he ejaculated on your face and threw you some candy?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilangiepangie View Post
    Just found this... SJ has put together a timeline with Det. Flores report. Wonder who SJ is anyway.

    http://jodiariasisinnocent.com/the-f...ent-team-jodi/
    Sounds like these wackadoo's are trying to pin it on the roomies. This is part of TruthSeeker11's reply

    And I found it odd that both Jodi and Zach were both driving rental cars on the same day at Travis? house?Jodi rented her car rental for traveling?.Zach rented his car rental because his own car was in an accident?TOO ODD?I wonder if the Detective verified if Zach?s car had really been in a wreck?
    Why is this odd?? Odd that psycho killer was there, yes, but why the roommate?? Wackadoo's.
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    I thought this article was interesting.. http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.r...&videofeed=999 in reference to the use of administration of "truth serum". If I am understanding this correctly the defense is making the motion for it to be used. So why wouldn't it stand to reason that "truth serum" would aid in helping her to clear up her "fog" at the time of the murder. Except I think the defense knows it would pretty much add the nails to her coffin lid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helloagain View Post
    She also testified that she was in "the fog" dry humping Ryan Burns. I believe it was JM that asked her if she was still in the fog with Ryan Burns and her reply was yes. I remember this because I remember thinking, I thought you came out of the fog in the middle of the desert bitch?!
    You're right. Except I think it was a juror question. "Were you in the fog when you were kissing Ryan Burns?" Answer: Yes
    So yeah apparently she came out of the fog in the desert and called some peeps and then went back into the fog when she got with Ryan. I guess that was to explain making out with someone after killing someone else.

    Less than 2 hours til we get to see what else JM has up his sleeve

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakers the Wonder Dog View Post
    NOTE: TO COMPEL; BUSINESS RECORDS FROM WAL-MART AND TESORO
    3/12/2013 MOT - Motion - Party (001) 3/12/2013
    NOTE: TO COMPEL CRIMINAL HISTORY OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER

    3/11/2013 012 - ME: Trial - Party (001) 3/11/2013
    3/8/2013 012 - ME: Trial - Party (001) 3/8/2013
    3/8/2013 012 - ME: Trial - Party (001) 3/8/2013
    3/8/2013 LOW - List Of Witnesses/Exhibit/Evidence - Party (001) 3/8/2013


    Could Party 001 be the Prosecution and Party 012 be the Defense?

    http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.go...=CR2008-031021
    Sorry for the double post... but WTF? this has to be the defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helloagain View Post
    Sounds like these wackadoo's are trying to pin it on the roomies. This is part of TruthSeeker11's reply



    Why is this odd?? Odd that psycho killer was there, yes, but why the roommate?? Wackadoo's.
    Maybe that is why Jodi wanted to plain white rental. Maybe she knew the roomie had one and wanted it to look like it was just him there...

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    Just to clarify previous post different trial defense team from JA defense team. Should have been a bit more clear. Thats what I get for multitasking

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    Quote Originally Posted by dianalyn View Post
    Has anyone seen any comments on the Jodi is Innocent site since their bombshell fizzled? (And sorry Harlette for posting that on your rep)
    they want jodi to fire nurmi and hire a better atty

    i guess they didn't read the part where he is PD paid for by the state!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oh right View Post
    The DV experts say the abused have a hard time leaving the abuser. Travis was the one abused.
    I reviewed early testimony this morn. I forgot all about .... Dan Freeman testified it was Travis that broke up with JA! then she moved back to CA.

    I've said all along, pulling away from Travis' house in a uhaul she sealed it all in mind for sure that day. HATE pure raged hate. She was a parasite, a loser with nothing!
    how dare he in his fancy house send me on my way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian 1 View Post
    And as a final good-night, it was mentioned just a while back that Travis Alexander 'Manscaped." Just a couple of pages later, a very nice long-haul truckers wife revealed to us that her husband did the same. She also added the codicil that once her husband started the practice he had to keep doing it because the regrowth of hair in those parts causes severe itchiness that is almost unbearable.

    Question? Why does Mr. Nurmi keep scratching his junk in court?

    I leave you with that delectable image.

    Until tomorrow! Good night.

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    Start at about 6 1/2 or 7 minutes in if you don't have time to watch all 9 minutes of this cinematic treasure from 1985:

    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/4xBp1yo9RS8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    Just had to add some silliness before court begins and we all get serious

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    Damnit why didn't that embed correctly? Crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bermstalker View Post
    The shocking and game changing moment to me-When MDS posted the stab/throat wound pictures on here.

    Those pictures alone, speaks 1000 x's louder than anybody's voice ever could. They speak louder than any other piece of evidence, IMO.
    I so agree with you bermstalker, this is the bottom line and after all the BS, I hope the jury just comes back to this image too. There are no excuses good enough from JA to justify.

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    probably off any current topic but this came to me while talking with my wife about the trial yesterday.

    JA deliberately putting the rear license plate on upside down doesn't make sense, ... that would actually draw MORE attention to her rather than less, at least from any Highway Patrol or other law enforcement. Nor does skateboarders "flipping" her plate as a prank (it takes more than a few minutes to remove a license late) My (new) theory is she took BOTH plates off when she was in and around Travis's house to hide her presence and avoid having anyone write down the plate #... she didn't need to have a front plate in AZ and in the process of fumbling around in the dark after the murder inadvertently put the back plate on upside-down...

    FWIW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilangiepangie View Post
    Just found this... SJ has put together a timeline with Det. Flores report. Wonder who SJ is anyway.

    http://jodiariasisinnocent.com/the-f...ent-team-jodi/
    wtf? are they saying zach did it now?? because they both had rental cars and he CLEANED his gf's house (and yes the did captolize clean ) - what difference does that time line make - she already said she did it - and it matched the same times !! am i missing something

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    Quote Originally Posted by M Joy View Post
    You're right. Except I think it was a juror question. "Were you in the fog when you were kissing Ryan Burns?" Answer: Yes
    So yeah apparently she came out of the fog in the desert and called some peeps and then went back into the fog when she got with Ryan. I guess that was to explain making out with someone after killing someone else.

    Less than 2 hours til we get to see what else JM has up his sleeve
    Thanks to berm, poppym and tawnidilly, I put together the jury questions and poppym's inconsistancies by categories. I found it very interesting to see it this way!
    Gave me a much better feel for how the jury is thinking. 23 friggin question under MURDER category. PEDO questions ... (3) It's kind of long, you think you want it posted?

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