Her body is all in black. At the bottom before the white block - that is her knees. Course, her face could be all black rather holding a camera and there could be a gun somewhere in the forefront. Who knows!Originally Posted by denn
Her body is all in black. At the bottom before the white block - that is her knees. Course, her face could be all black rather holding a camera and there could be a gun somewhere in the forefront. Who knows!
[QUOTE=geevee;3351101]Could be rust. I just don't believe he was shot or stabbed at this point. I am one of those who believe she stabbed him first. Shot him last. Gun was to be used as a last resort in her mind. Just in case she became a suspect. It would be a tied to the gun stolen at her Grandparent's house. She was smart enough to get rid of the gun. If that was ever found, pure premeditation.
Not rust, it covers both the door edge and the shower stall, the only other pic I could find showing that area with the door open was in the shaving pic, I have no idea the date that pic was taken but you can't see anything there then, but mostly his fastidiousness with his housekeeping leads me to believe that is blood flying from the very first knife wound, probably to the left side of his neck. Also, look at this pic from before they took his body out:
http://s1287.beta.photobucket.com/us...77986849023013
You can see blood in that area of the shower door/stall, and also look at the vinyl on the bottom of the door, all bent, Flores' report said when he was discovered the shower door was open, so that edge did not get bent by pressing against his body. Look at all the blood on the wall behind the shower door.
I think he fell to his knees after getting out of the stall, right shoulder blade stabs and back of head maybe, she gets him against that wall and stabs more on his chest/belly, he get over to the sink (her with more back stabbing, literally, probably the center deep wounds) and then down the hall and he either slid down on his bottom and she pushed him over or he fell over, she cut his throat, got the sheet or duvet cover and rolled him onto that (2nd accidental pic) and pulled him down the hall (3rd accidental pic, then shot him and left him outside the shower while she showered and then put him in. She probably figured she had to make sure he wouldn't get up while she was cleaning herself up so shot him to be sure.
One other possibility I've thought of to account for the water on the floor,she could have propped him against the open shower door (accounting for its being bent) while showering, there's lots of blood on the floor right there and if the things he had hanging on the shower neck (scrubby, whatever) fell during the initial struggle and blocked the drain, water would have flown onto the floor, it's not a deep stall. I do think the drain getting blocked would account for so much water that it flowed under the bedroom carpet end, maybe she did it intentionally when doing it with the cup took too long. Did they ever test the paint above the shwoer stall for blood?
did she say these supposed pics were of boys or did she specifically say they were "naked (or barely dressed) boys"?
the reason i ask is for all we know, he had pics of himself as a young boy, and was looking at them earlier, or had them out for whatever reason and just decided to relieve himself. totally unrelated to the pics.
i know i walked in on someone relieving himself while seinfeld was on, and i know he didn't have a thing for seinfeld, just was alone, and decided to get to know himself better...
I can't quote when on my cell, but in re: to underherspell or whatever the name is I gotta say "Holy F#$k!" Dude, did you not see the PM pics? This just goes to show there are even serial killer groupies out amongst us. Maybe you and Luka Magnotta's girlfriends can get together and form a club called Faithfully United Crazy Killer Devotees....F.U.C.K.D
Sorry Mr.MyDeathSpace if I just broke the rules by my last post. I had tourettes of the texting finger. My bad. I will send myself to the corner.
this is too priceless!
PEDOPHILIA & YOU!
One Man's Guide to Proper Mall Stalking
STEP 1:
Identify where you lie on the Pedo Spectrum- If you are attracted to pubescent girls, ages 13 to 17, you may not be a pedo! It possible you fall under the category of Ephebophilia.
STEP 2:
If boobs gross you out then you are indeed a pedo, in which case, you're doing it wrong. The mall is not the place for you! Please see my 2nd pamphlet entitled, 'SO YOU REALLY LIKE LITTLE BOYS', which may be found in park restrooms in a town near you.
RON!
There actually was a book put out by some perv for peds to learn how to "groom" children. There was a big stink about it cuz he was trying to sell it on very well known mail order website.
Interesting she was her own lead attorney for a period -- wasn't grandiosity part of a personality disorder? -- and tried to get photocopies of letters she forged admitted as evidence that TA was a pedophile. The so-called "pedophile letters". Court denied them, and then Mama Arias tried to sell them to the National Enquirer. Then Nurmi was reappointed lead defense council again.
Gee, I wonder if the jury would find that interesting???Hearing on Aug 8, 2011 determined the ?supposed? letters from Travis admitting to pedophilia were forged.
Nurmi has since claimed the forged letters should be allowed as the pros hand writing expert couldn?t say with 100% accuracy they weren?t written by Travis.
They were also tossed because they were photocopies?not originals and really no way to verify they were real.
(Same letters mama Arias recently tried to sell to the National Enquirer!)
Just like when she tried to tamper with a witness -- Matt McCartney -- to get him to lie that JM brought out:
Secretly hidden note attempted to smuggle out of jail reads: You fucked up. What you told my attorney the next day Directly contradicts what I?ve been saying for over a year Get down here asap and see me before you talk to them again and before You testify so We can fix this Interview was excellent! Must talk asap!
The "one" is for you, Jodi!
The first picture where you see discoloration is before she stabbed him. The shower door is open and where the discoloration is is probably where the bottom hinge is.
The picture linked above is after she he was dead the blood is clearly visible below the lip of the shower. She dragged him along the floor and in maneuvering him the shower blood was deposited on the baseboards and the lip of the shower. His shaving picture doesn't show the area between the shower door and where it hinges onto the shower.
SICK FU@&$R!!
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-12-20/j...es?_s=PM:CRIME
Even if they hadn't seen each other in years...they are still family. And it isn't like Travis was accidently ran over while walking his dog. He was still their loved one and why wouldn't they want justice?
Wonder if the Morman religion believes in forgiveness? Ask Jodi. She will phrase it in a way where they may...or they may not. It is a grey area I am sure. She was supposedly a Morman (who thought that anal sex was ok but vaginal was not...but it was a grey area so she should be ok) so maybe that grey area works with all areas? Maybe that haunt is something they are willing to live with so that Travis can have justice
Interesting she was her own lead attorney for a period -- wasn't grandiosity part of a personality disorder? -- and tried to get photocopies of letters she forged admitted as evidence that TA was a pedophile. The so-called "pedophile letters". Court denied them, and then Mama Arias tried to sell them to the National Enquirer. Then Nurmi was reappointed lead defense council again.
Gee, I wonder if the jury would find that interesting???
Just like when she tried to tamper with a witness -- Matt McCartney -- to get him to lie that JM brought out:
Secretly hidden note attempted to smuggle out of jail reads: You fucked up. What you told my attorney the next day Directly contradicts what I?ve been saying for over a year Get down here asap and see me before you talk to them again and before You testify so We can fix this Interview was excellent! Must talk asap!
The "one" is for you, Jodi!
I would suspect Jodi was her own attorney so those letter could get admitted in. No attorney wanted their name attached to false documents.
Was the magazine codes written to Matt?
Luka Magnotta's Preliminary Hearing started today in Montreal. His(?) attorneys are trying to seal the courtroom. In case you don't know and since you mentioned him. Perhaps his case will draw some attention. One can only hope.
"Of all the emotions, the most dangerous emotion is love." P.D James
"Do you not realize, my son, with how little wisdom this world is run?" Baron von Oxenstiema"
All good points, but none proves premeditation and premed. is what this case is all about (no premed.=murder 2= no DP, no LWOP). Anything done after the fact as coverup attempts is irrelevant IMO. However I think she will be charged w/perjury (no DP or LWOP for that unfortunately).Interesting she was her own lead attorney for a period -- wasn't grandiosity part of a personality disorder? -- and tried to get photocopies of letters she forged admitted as evidence that TA was a pedophile. The so-called "pedophile letters". Court denied them, and then Mama Arias tried to sell them to the National Enquirer. Then Nurmi was reappointed lead defense council again.
Gee, I wonder if the jury would find that interesting???
Just like when she tried to tamper with a witness -- Matt McCartney -- to get him to lie that JM brought out:
Secretly hidden note attempted to smuggle out of jail reads: You fucked up. What you told my attorney the next day Directly contradicts what I?ve been saying for over a year Get down here asap and see me before you talk to them again and before You testify so We can fix this Interview was excellent! Must talk asap!
The "one" is for you, Jodi!
marinez said that it was being smuggled to ann campbell but it was for matt - then side bars - and he never went back to it, but i bet he will now since she opened up the door on matt saying he would do any thing for her
Interesting she was her own lead attorney for a period -- wasn't grandiosity part of a personality disorder? -- and tried to get photocopies of letters she forged admitted as evidence that TA was a pedophile. The so-called "pedophile letters". Court denied them, and then Mama Arias tried to sell them to the National Enquirer. Then Nurmi was reappointed lead defense council again.
Gee, I wonder if the jury would find that interesting???
Just like when she tried to tamper with a witness -- Matt McCartney -- to get him to lie that JM brought out:
Secretly hidden note attempted to smuggle out of jail reads: You fucked up. What you told my attorney the next day Directly contradicts what I?ve been saying for over a year Get down here asap and see me before you talk to them again and before You testify so We can fix this Interview was excellent! Must talk asap!
The "one" is for you, Jodi!
The forged pedo/abuse letters weren't even photocopies ~ according to court records they were electronically received by Stabby and/or defense team. Stabby refused to say who sent them. Most people think it was Matt McCartney was the one who created them.
She was acting as her own attorney when she tried to get the letters admitted. Once she realized that letters would not be accepted as evidence and she admitted she was in over her head then court reappointed her attorneys.
Sandra Arias tried to sell the letters to National Enquirer AFTER the trial started.
The shaving picture *does* show that corner, here is the full pic You'll notice it is flipped horiz., the door actually opens the other way):
http://s1287.beta.photobucket.com/us...99006810645155
Here is the corner (flipped to its correct orientation):
http://s1287.beta.photobucket.com/us...82203029674213
Nothing in that corner then. I don't think he'd allow rust or mildew anywhere in his home, and that splotch has velocity and is reddish, not orange/brown.
My heart has always gone out to the Alexander family. From what I have read they have all had alot to deal with in their lifetimes and to have be faced with such a horrible circumstance is beyond comprehension unless you have lived it yourself. The only thing I can do is try to empathize as a sister, mother, aunt, or daughter. I can't say for sure that I would be able to exhibit the same grace and dignity that the Alexander family has displayed during the whole horrible time. Whatever is decided in the end I hope that it will be a decision that will bring them some small degree of comfort though however small.
My apologies, I guess I didn't state my previous my previous remark clearly. What I'm trying to say is that you cannot see the area inside the door where it hinges onto shower. You can see the outside, but not the inside.
In geographic areas where it is hot and humid rust and/or mildew stains can form quickly. It's difficult to see/tell exactly what that is but, jmo, it's not blood.
[QUOTE=denn;3351086]It looks like rust from the hinge or screw to me. My shower at my old house used to do that - drove me crazy - and it permanently stained the shower.
Oh yeah, this is my first post. It took over a week to read this entire thread (and read it I did, minus a five or so pages in the middle) but I kept on because this is the most thorough, introspective, and detailed analysis I have found ANYWHERE. You guys rock!
Thanks Ian1 for info. I have been following that case too. Another example of the crime being caught on film and really no way to deny it. It's kinda messed up that he won't face DP. LM is a person who won't mind prison. You can't really get raped in prison if you are willing now can you...
what a tool!
[QUOTE=VioletPlanet;3350100]This is poo poo....pure fantasy.
No offense taken, I enjoy a good debate. :)
I originally thought the same as you but after studying that pic and seeing no rust, mildrew or anything else along the edge of his shower stall that it is something coming from the opposite direction and if you draw a pretty straight line it leads to the center area of the pic. One other thing about that pic, if you enlarge it, you'll see that water is coming towards the drain on the right but no fresh drops on his waist area or thighs, as if someone is standing there and blocking it from coming across the entire shower.
Oh, and the shower door is clearly open in the shaving pic, I'll get a better close up of it and enlarge it.
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