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Thread: Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wishmich View Post
    I asked this before, but nobody responded. I'll give it another shot. Were the forged pedo letters ever published in court documents or anywhere else? Do we have any idea what they said?
    No, not allowed. They were out before at an evidentiary hearing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jillee View Post
    I haven't been able to find an exact date when she moved to Mesa on any timeline. She testified end of July, early August, (but, her idea of "late" and "early" are a bit strange and kinda evasive... as per usual)

    She also said two months after their breakup during direct.... ??
    yup, she's a slippery POS isn't she. Testified she gave her notice at Big Sur for last day 'i cant remember June or July' then moved.
    Something is pertenient around this is my feeling. And it starts with her claiming Rachel wanted her to move down. 1) Rachel was getting married, makes no sense she'd want this parasite clinging around her and her live in new hubby. Then killer even tells us, soon as she got there, Rachel booted her ass out. 2) the fact she was moving again in a week!

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    I have a thought about the case of water from Costco in the trunk. On driving trips I usually buy a fresh bottle of water when I need it..... That way it is cold and fresh. I think this would be even more so in the desert of the southwest. What ever happened to that case of water? Did she used it all to clean herself up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasthinking View Post
    thanks Harlette for replying!
    hum, Grandma signed the memorial book that she lived in CA and said he came to her when he was 8 yrs old. He was born in 1977 so that would put him with g'ma 1985. Im guessing she remained in CA because she was there too when killer claims to have met her a few times.

    Chris Hughes is CA too He said he took Travis under his wing 2001 PPL. That'd put us in CA at age 22. So I bet that was after his mission that you remember. Colorado, right! I forgot about that, thanks again.
    Unfortunately, there is still the gap and why when AZ. Maybe we will get more if the Hughes testify .
    Yea it had to be later than end of 2000 beginning of 2001. I met him sometime around then. I got married in Jan 2001 and moved out of the singles ward.

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    1 other observation I wanted to share...... During cross exam by JM, she said she was squatting in front of the shower taking pictures. A juror question asked her if she was kneeling in front of the shower taking pictures.... and Jody responded "yes, kneeling". Anyone else catch that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron_NYC View Post
    Well fucking said. People have become so bloodthristy they become the monster they want to destroy.
    This ain't Dexter.
    I agree this sentiment exists however I depart from your opinion that anyone here would, given the opportunity, "become the monster" and actually murder Jodi Arias, however if they did, I'd expect them to be tried just as she is being.

    One certainly cannot argue that if found guilty she should not be punished, or that if this indeed happens that those who believe she is guilty should not be happy

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    Quote Originally Posted by under-the-spell View Post
    Travis messed with Jodi's head big time, and payed a very steep price. After all of the traveling and special times that they shared, Travis ultimately came to view Jodi as nothing more than a sexual object. On a subconscious level, a rage started developing with Jodi as she realized how unimportant she was to him and that her only avenue to getting his attention was sexuality. Jodi, on the inside, is a very sweet girl with a vibrant creativity and love of life; however, she was not self-aware enough to see the warning signs of the rage being suppressed - and certainly lacked the foresight as to it's ultimate consequence. Travis was a smooth-talking salesman and speaker, likeable, and an aspiring "playa" with the ladies. He viewed Jodi as a conquest even after he knew that she was in love with him, and was willing to throw in her face the fact that he was enjoying pursuing and dating other girls (myspace comments, cancun, etc..).

    Ok - blah, blah, blah - has the prosecution proved beyond a reasonable doubt that she planned to murder him? I think not. Yes there is considerable circumstantial evidence of premeditation, enough to give a juror the idea that there is maybe a 75-80% chance that she planned it, but without showing that she stole the gun and brought it with her - or without some other expression of intent by Jodi prior to June 4, I just don't see convicting her on Murder-1. I think that the prosecution should have taken the deal for Murder-2 and called it a day. I'm sure that the State spent many research hours sifting through texts, emails, phone calls, etc - to find evidence of Jodi having planned the crime - and all they can come up with is a circumstantial argument. Little shaky.

    As for my personal bias (if not already clear from the first paragraph), I am - as my name suggests - under her spell. I could see myself falling in love with a girl like Jodi...and in fact she does remind me of my ex girlfriend/fiance. She seemed to make very poor choices with men, and I think she could have done much better than Travis - not to stomp on the man's grave. He certainly did not in any sense deserve what he go, and I don't think that she should walk free. But reading Travis's philosophizing and Jodi's, it is clear to me that Jodi was more intelligent and eloquent. I do not see her in any way as an "empty soul," as described somewhere in this thread - and I don't think that she was below Travis in any sense, except for financially. I think that inside, Jodi does feel deep remorse and sadness - and it is very unfortunate that she is not expressing this more on the witness stand. The final follow-up from her Nurmi was to re-ask her "why should we believe you now," which was a perfect opportunity for Jodi to break down and show some more humanity - but she didn't. I don't believe that Jodi is enjoying this experience or having fun (as some body language expert concluded); I think that she hates what she did, but understands that she can't take it back.

    On June 4, 2008 she brutally murdered him, and I'm not really buying self-defense, but I also don't think it was premeditated. I think that Travis's ignorance and arrogance continued to push Jodi's subconscious "buttons" until she snapped. I think it's entirely possible that she did black out during some of her rage, and I wonder why we aren't hearing testimony from memory experts on this topic. For me, I remember certain details that seem irrelevant but sometimes can't remember very basic things - it is strange how the mind works, and not well understood by most of us. I think that her decision to cover-up the crime and lie as much as possible was made when she realized how brutally she had carried out the murder. She probably looked hard for that camera and can't believe that she forgot to check the washing machine with the sheets. Her actions were not ones of a methodical diabolical killer - she was consumed with panic. She was shocked at what she had just done, and understandably felt that she couldn't own up to it. This makes all the difference between Guilty and Not Guilty of Murder-1. She was too smart to execute it so poorly had it been planned as the Prosecution claims.

    The whole thing is really sad for me, because I see Jodi as a beautiful spirit on the inside, for which things just went horribly wrong. It is disturbing to watch her on the stand, and realize that her life is also wasted. Some interesting commentary in this thread about how killing him may have tied her to Travis forever in her mind, and that is a fascinating possible angle. Personally, I would love to see Jodi serve a long prison sentence but have the opportunity for parole with good behavior. If she served 25-30 years in prison, showed real remorse, and was generally a positive contributor during her prison time - I am ok with her seeing the light of day in the twilight of her life. This is not meant in anyway as disrespect to Travis's friends and family, and admittedly I cannot imagine what they are going through.
    Will you be there with open arms when she gets out? Just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gigiann View Post
    1 other observation I wanted to share...... During cross exam by JM, she said she was squatting in front of the shower taking pictures. A juror question asked her if she was kneeling in front of the shower taking pictures.... and Jody responded "yes, kneeling". Anyone else catch that?
    Yes, and I chalked it up to just another Stabby lie. Seriously, I can't believe one thing that comes out of her mouth. I only listen to her to find out where she's going to mess up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loonywop View Post
    naw just tired of bloodthursty people.Like they are the law ..........or should be....lets all just step back a bit and relish the fact that we are not lucky enough to have totally fuck our lives up as bad as these two people have. e
    I don't think luck has anything to do with it. You don't have to be lucky to, you know, not brutally murder someone. It's not that hard to keep that crime off of your record.

    what the hell is going on here? so what? all the crazies come out at night?
    Sorry; I couldn't sleep. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamdinger125 View Post
    I don't think luck has anything to do with it. You don't have to be lucky to, you know, not brutally murder someone. It's not that hard to keep that crime off of your record.



    Sorry; I couldn't sleep. :)
    Thank God, I thought I was just lucky all these years... LOL I've managed to keep myself from brutally murdering anyone for my entire life!! I should go play the lottery now since I'm so lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wishmich View Post
    I asked this before, but nobody responded. I'll give it another shot. Were the forged pedo letters ever published in court documents or anywhere else? Do we have any idea what they said?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jillee View Post
    I haven't been able to find an exact date when she moved to Mesa on any timeline. She testified end of July, early August, (but, her idea of "late" and "early" are a bit strange and kinda evasive... as per usual)

    She also said two months after their breakup during direct.... ??
    Quote Originally Posted by tiggrrl72077 View Post
    Yea it had to be later than end of 2000 beginning of 2001. I met him sometime around then. I got married in Jan 2001 and moved out of the singles ward.
    gee, I forgot all about you knowing him back then, tx! Were / are you PPL too? Did you know Chris Hughes? I'm asking because, Chris has said Travis was like one of his top stars or however he worded it. If Travis was fighting to save his house, how 'top' can that be in PPL that Travis was having financial troubles .. and he even had roommates paying a chunk to him.

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    Sorry. I know I knew and this might have been discussed before but regarding the pamphlets Jodi said she got from the church for Travis for his " rehabilitation from pedophilia" --- does such a pamphlet exist?

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    darn, didn't clear multi quotes, sorry tig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gigiann View Post
    Sorry. I know I knew and this might have been discussed before but regarding the pamphlets Jodi said she got from the church for Travis for his " rehabilitation from pedophilia" --- does such a pamphlet exist?
    She didn't get them from the church she supposedly got them from the mall.. Apparently that's where they hand them out. I tried googling it (after I let my husband know if he ever checked my search history I wasn't a creep lol) nothing came up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gigiann View Post
    Sorry. I know I knew and this might have been discussed before but regarding the pamphlets Jodi said she got from the church for Travis for his " rehabilitation from pedophilia" --- does such a pamphlet exist?
    She never said that

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiggrrl72077 View Post
    She didn't get them from the church she supposedly got them from the mall.. Apparently that's where they hand them out. I tried googling it (after I let my husband know if he ever checked my search history I wasn't a creep lol) nothing came up.
    She eventually changed that to "mental health" pamphlets

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    Okay 1 more question.... then I will leave you all alone. Wasn't there some testimony that OG Didn't want to give her the gas cans.....but finally gave them to her. If JA and OG often used gas cans in the trunk for drives as I thought she testified to, why would he be so hesitant to loan them to her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasthinking View Post
    gee, I forgot all about you knowing him back then, tx! Were / are you PPL too? Did you know Chris Hughes? I'm asking because, Chris has said Travis was like one of his top stars or however he worded it. If Travis was fighting to save his house, how 'top' can that be in PPL that Travis was having financial troubles .. and he even had roommates paying a chunk to him.
    No didn't fall for the PPL stuff. I remember him talking about it but I detest all types of TRIANGLE schemes. I didn't know Chris Hughes either. I'm not sure if he was LDS or not.
    I hadn't heard he was fighting to save his house. I wouldn't doubt it with the prices in AZ at that time. When we lived there (2004) we bought our house for 119,000 sold it two years later for 210,000 and those owners foreclosed on it within a year. I saw it was listed in 2008 for 48,000!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gigiann View Post
    Okay 1 more question.... then I will leave you all alone. Wasn't there some testimony that OG Didn't want to give her the gas cans.....but finally gave them to her. If JA and OG often used gas cans in the trunk for drives as I thought she testified to, why would he be so hesitant to loan them to her?
    It was Daryl, not Gus. Jodi said she called him several times about it, but I don't think he was hesitant. Jodi is just a PITA

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiggrrl72077 View Post
    No didn't fall for the PPL stuff. I remember him talking about it but I detest all types of TRIANGLE schemes. I didn't know Chris Hughes either. I'm not sure if he was LDS or not.
    I hadn't heard he was fighting to save his house. I wouldn't doubt it with the prices in AZ at that time. When we lived there (2004) we bought our house for 119,000 sold it two years later for 210,000 and those owners foreclosed on it within a year. I saw it was listed in 2008 for 48,000!!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by gigiann View Post
    Okay 1 more question.... then I will leave you all alone. Wasn't there some testimony that OG Didn't want to give her the gas cans.....but finally gave them to her. If JA and OG often used gas cans in the trunk for drives as I thought she testified to, why would he be so hesitant to loan them to her?
    I never heard he was fighting borrowing them to her. But, personally speaking, there is a big difference between you asking to borrow something of mine short term, hey ran out of gas...
    or leaving the state with them and no idea when or if I'll get them back. Which we see in this case, Darrly testified he never did get them back.

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    She got them at the mall? Hmmmm.

    And I hear you about wanting your husband about your searches and history.... I've been worried about that too if anyone ever finds my searches. LOL

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    Aha...gotcha. thanks to everyone who is helping to answer some of my questions. I still haven't learned to quote and leave a message... so bare with me I'll get it. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiggrrl72077 View Post
    No didn't fall for the PPL stuff. I remember him talking about it but I detest all types of TRIANGLE schemes. I didn't know Chris Hughes either. I'm not sure if he was LDS or not.
    I hadn't heard he was fighting to save his house. I wouldn't doubt it with the prices in AZ at that time. When we lived there (2004) we bought our house for 119,000 sold it two years later for 210,000 and those owners foreclosed on it within a year. I saw it was listed in 2008 for 48,000!!!!
    ugh screwed up again.
    Travis' struggles were in one of his rants to whimpy selfish JA. It appeared she must have been whining and Travis text came back with a kind of wth, I'm really struggling about serious things and you are whining about your day kind of thing.

    I apologize for even asking if you were PPL, I should know better by now. I can see housing variances, but, again, he had roommates footing a big chunk of the bill. I'm thinking in relation to the PPL hype great success. If he was one of Chris' 'top' guys, that can't be so hot after all. how is he struggling to save his house w the great Chris mentoring Travis to riches? And Chris spewing how successful it and Travis were if you get where I'm thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasthinking View Post
    ugh screwed up again.
    Travis' struggles were in one of his rants to whimpy selfish JA. It appeared she must have been whining and Travis text came back with a kind of wth, I'm really struggling about serious things and you are whining about your day kind of thing.

    I apologize for even asking if you were PPL, I should know better by now. I can see housing variances, but, again, he had roommates footing a big chunk of the bill. I'm thinking in relation to the PPL hype great success. If he was one of Chris' 'top' guys, that can't be so hot after all. how is he struggling to save his house w the great Chris mentoring Travis to riches? And Chris spewing how successful it and Travis were if you get where I'm thinking.
    I have lots of friends in AZ who, quite wealthy, went underwater when the housing bubble burst. He was probably in that same sinking boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Lady View Post
    I think the sunscreen finally made sense to me last night. What if Jodi bought one for Travis and one to confront him about taking Mimi to Cancun. I picture it like this, "I got you sunscreen for Cancun. Give this one to bitch Mimi, I know the truth that you're taking her!". Fight erupts and Jodi loses it. I can see Jodi doing something like that.
    Good theory but it could also be for just driving in Arizona in the summer - you need sunscreen or your arms get burned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nerdmiga View Post
    This case has been so captivating. I haven't felt like I could comment because I've been so far behind, but I really think the jury did a great job with their questions. They point out the inconsistencies with her testimony. I wonder what they're going to do to prove that Jodi can remember "emotions" but not actual details. I think the jury did a great job pointing out that her behavior was inconsistent with that of the past. My boyfriend, who has not been intently following the case, immediately picked up on the fact that Jodi said Travis threatened to kill her only AFTER she shot him. Also, if she shot him in the face, don't you think she would have noticed the blood coming out of his head as he went towards her? I would think it would start bleeding immediately.
    Quote Originally Posted by wasthinking View Post
    AZ law allows the DP, don't like it, go fight their politics instead of kicking at innocent families when they are down.
    Do you beat dogs, kids and swing cats by their tails too with your anger.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wishmich View Post
    It won't be wasted. She'll get her degrees; she'll get her marriage proposals from freaks; she'll hold sensitivity sessions and be the damn star of the prison block.
    LOONYWoP.....it is all in the name...get off your high horse before you fall and break your neck....as justice's quote says "you are entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts" and certainly, you are not entitled to someone else's.

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