Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[Brillig]

Harlette - I will jump in. I spent over 8 years in singles wards, also my husband was a missionary and has given his input too.

For those wondering:

1. The missionaries always explain the law of chastity. This is especially true if the individual has already been sexually active and/or is living with a member of the opposite sex that is not their wedded spouse or family member (I almost wrote and/or - ewwwwww).
2. When explaining it, they would have stated that "no sexual activity is permitted outside marriage" if they felt further clarification was necessary, then they would have. I think that would make it pretty clear that anal and oral are not permitted.
3. When an individual IS living with a member of the opposite sex that they are not related to or married to (AND especially if they have or are having a sexual relationship with said indidividual) they would not be permitted to be baptized until they were either married or had found separate housing. There are not exceptions to this rule unless you go to the first presidency of the church (like the prophet) and get permission - which may only happen if you were caring for a friend who was a quadriplegic or something.
4. Singles wards cover this topic EXTENSIVELY - and considering Jodi was in my ward, yeah, she knew plenty well! Heck, you hear an audible sigh and groan from the congregation any time the topic is chastity. Since it is a common issue for single adults, it is very commonly addresses. And they go into it plenty clearly. To give you an idea: All clothing is to remain on at all times. No necking or passionate kissing. No touching of private areas over or under clothing. No private areas touching together. Etc... Kind of hard to think any of her activities could be construed as a grey area when these are the strict guidelines.

There is no way on earth that she didn't know. And honestly, I don't understand why she is even pretending that. Why not just say, "we both knew it was wrong according to our religion, however, we started down that path and the further we went, the deeper into it we got until we just gave in. Then, we enjoyed it so much we figured we'd continue and someday repent when we choose to move on." I would believe that for sure. It's just a stupid thing to lie about and completely unbelievable!

So there you go...Mormon chastity 101.

That was very instructive, thank you.

Indeed, that leaves zero room for a grey area, so Jodi lying about it just makes her seem even more dishonest.

[Jillee]

Did anyone hear someone whisper; "This is a disaster" while the jury was leaving for for 5 minutes? I could swear it sounded like Nurmi.

[alyoop]

So let me get this straight, Nurmi gets to "clear up" juror questions, then Martinez... then the jury can ask MORE questions!? holy shit, it will be 2020 before this wraps up...runs screaming from the room... I also am not sure I can hear Nancy Grace say JUROROR for ten more months

[Rachael123]

Trying to prove she's not a stalker also he might have missed a sex act she forgot.

OMG Somebody please shut her the fuck up! My ears are bleeding!

[elamir]

I was wondering about that. Judge probably reminded him to KEEP IT BRIEF

Courtroom observers say the male jurors in the back row look like they are completely done with listening to Jodi. They're leaning back, trying to put distance between themselves and JA.

It's my understanding that at this point in questioning (meaning after juror questions) you should be a lot briefer, much less latitude will be given by the Judge, but I've yet to see that from this Judge.

[alyoop]

That was very instructive, thank you.

Indeed, that leaves zero room for a grey area, so Jodi lying about it just makes her seem even more dishonest.

more dishonest? how is this possible lmao!

[M Joy]

Does anyone remember Jodi shaking on day 1 of cross? I remember her smiling and giggling and refusing to answer JM questions

[elamir]

I REALLY wish I could read lips. I wonder if the judge was saying that he needs to keep this short and sweet and NOT rehash her entire testimony. I grabbed a couple of screenshots. First, she waved off the court reporter, whatever she was saying was not "official" I think. Martinez didn't say anything, but he looked pleased by whatever the judge said to Nurmi. Nurmi looked very pissed. He have Willmott a definite "I can't believe her" look.

awesome screen shots, thanks muchly....yep, agreeing with you, that's pretty much how I saw it, but his response was something like "The State is trying to kill my client Judge and I'm trying to save her life"

[Justice11]

Does anyone remember Jodi shaking on day 1 of cross? I remember her smiling and giggling and refusing to answer JM questions

I haven't seen her shake even 1 time. Also, if she was in such distress that she shook, how can she remember it??? Can't have it both ways Jodi.

[Jillee]

So let me get this straight, Nurmi gets to "clear up" juror questions, then Martinez... then the jury can ask MORE questions!? holy shit, it will be 2020 before this wraps up...runs screaming from the room... I also am not sure I can hear Nancy Grace say JUROROR for ten more months

My husband HATES it when she says "Juroror" too... which only makes him say it right after she says it. Meaning, I get to hear it twice each time. Last night I had to ask him to leave the room.

[elamir]

should have been *bet (not but) in previous comment....soz

[bete noire]

Harlette - I will jump in. I spent over 8 years in singles wards, also my husband was a missionary and has given his input too.

For those wondering:

Thank you for the explanation.
As an absolutely non-religious person of any type I am pretty clueless when it comes to the different aspects of pretty much all religions, I admit that, but even I still know premarital sex was a big no-no in most all of em! Jeebus.

She really must over estimate her intelligence... or really UNDER estimate the intelligence of the Jury... if she believes they are buying ANY of her tales.

[Jillee]

I noticed that Jodi's mom stopped wearing her #1MOM necklace today. Seems that testimony about her yesterday must have made her feel a bit silly.

[*crickets*]

Wouldn't it be funny if Nurmi had a remote control for the stun-belt and when she starts over-talking he could zap her? You know that he or Wilmott have to be lecturing her about her pontificating!

I've heard or read that one of the big things defense attys stress to their clients is to answer yes or no if possible--do not elaborate. I almost feel sorry for Nurmi. She is a nightmare client and clearly out of control on the stand.

[elamir]

People have spoken about this already but wanted to add to convo about Arias' mother and aunt, their laughing and smirking has been absolutely contemptible. Firstly for Travis, some respect for the victim please and secondly, your bloody relative is on trial and may receive the death penalty, a bit of respect too much to ask?!

[animosity]

Is anyone even paying attention to this? I seriously tuned out as soon as Wormi stood up

this was my indication that it was time to take a shower. i decided i had extra time so i brought my dog and gave her a scrub too.

[MadameX]

Ugh... I paused this while I was on meetings and I just got up to Nurmi's questioning.

I am so fast forwarding through this... I can't take him anymore.

[Person]

Wonder if Judge was reading Nurmi the riot act just then, Nurmi walked back with a sour look on his puss and Willmutt was smirking as if this is all just good fun.

The judge appeared to ask "how much time will you need for follow up?".

[aaronsmommy]

People have spoken about this already but wanted to add to convo about Arias' mother and aunt, their laughing and smirking has been absolutely contemptible. Firstly for Travis, some respect for the victim please and secondly, your bloody relative is on trial and may receive the death penalty, a bit of respect too much to ask?!

I'd really like to know what they keep snickering about... honestly curious.

this was my indication that it was time to take a shower. i decided i had extra time so i brought my dog and gave her a scrub too.

my pup has a grooming appt at 3... he's a horse and I cannot bath him at home without soaking everything in my home. lol

[Jinkasaurus]

My husband HATES it when she says "Juroror" too... which only makes him say it right after she says it. Meaning, I get to hear it twice each time. Last night I had to ask him to leave the room.

well, is it any worse than BOMBSHELL TONIGHT!!!

[alyoop]

I haven't seen her shake even 1 time. Also, if she was in such distress that she shook, how can she remember it??? Can't have it both ways Jodi.

so when Martinez questions her again, is an ambulance going to be neccessary? she knows the jury will be watching, someone should call 911. oh wait, thats a negative, nvm

[Rachael123]

Hi Person,Welcome

The judge appeared to ask "how much time will you need for follow up?".

[alyoop]

My husband HATES it when she says "Juroror" too... which only makes him say it right after she says it. Meaning, I get to hear it twice each time. Last night I had to ask him to leave the room.

dang, thats funny Im jealous

[AlisonL]

Does anyone remember Jodi shaking on day 1 of cross? I remember her smiling and giggling and refusing to answer JM questions

I can't believe she dared to say that she was shaking! What a complete crock of shit. I really cannot stand her and that smug, snarky attitude. If I were fighting for my life, I am pretty sure I'd be acting quite differently. She's a pig.

[Person]

Thank you. I have posted in the new member thread.

Hi Person,Welcome