Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[nyx276]

If you haven't seen this, it's pretty compelling. I don't agree with every part of it but I think it's on the right track.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&h...lFc&nomobile=1

[Metis212]

Ok...site is slow...I think...first off...she may have no dx. Second, the reason why..despite my profession...this is personal..I don't believe she is a sociopath is because I have carry the diagnosis. I am a fully functioning human. I have a kid and a great job. I can tell you all one thing...if I were to EVER do something like this...you could never tell I was lying.

I sure wish I had a healthy dose of sociopathy ;) to me the best sociopaths read people instantly. Me, I gotta listen to them. What bothers me about Jodi is that people didn't like her, they were repulsed by her. They talk about emptiness, nothing behind her eyes, being empty, doesn't get social cues. Something is there but what is it?

Very interesting points from both posters. I agree that Arias has narcissistic traits but ultimately she was goal focused. Everyone can see through her lies. Her lies were just a means of covering up - coldly achieving her goal.

With Travis, her goal was marriage. She didn't give a damn about social rejection or being humiliated by chasing an emotionally uninterested guy. What triggered her murderous rage was not getting her own way. She snapped when the prize moved on. I have seen no sign of genuine remorse from her - she lost everything, according to her own words. She didn't fit in and she knew it. Status is important to narcissists. Arias was a source of ridicule but that didn't make her snap. Humiliation didn't make her snap. Cancun did. Game over for her.

I look at this differently, though I lean toward her being narcissistic. I don't think "SHE" was able to move on unless he was dead. Given their history they always ended up back together. Once he finally got angry and called her out on her manipulations and there was a wholesome educated good girl he was interested in, she had to know it was over (for him). It was the end to her wishes hopes and dreams...so she had to kill him.

I rented a car with GPS in 2000 on a trip to Iowa. And it was a budget model and still had GPS. I remember so distinctly because I had never used it before and was kind of excited to get a car that had it.

The rental car is significant because she deliberately chose a model that wouldn't attract attention AND didn't have a GPS cause you can track where the person traveled. If she planned out how to assure there was no trace of her in AZ, she sure as hell wasn't going to have the details of her entire trip in the GPS memory.

[TulsaTime]

If I were on that jury, I would ask:

"After coming out of your stupid lame ass Fog...and if you had any shred of a soul in you, WHY THE FUCK did you want to see the pictures of what you did to this man you supposedly "loved despite his many flaws?" How could a human being with any kind of soul want to see that?

Then I would pull a Costanza and be like " That's it for me, I'm out!"

She is not good for my health. I don't hate much of anything or anyone, but I hate this bitch.

[ChelseyDawn]

A thought on premeditation...

Here are the various premeditation factors:

1. Gun stolen in a seemingly staged robbery - same caliber as gun that was used on Travis and is not a super common caliber
2. Went 90 miles out of her way to rent a car
3. Asked for a less noticeable when offered a red car - went with a white car instead
4. Potentially dies her hair from blond to brown - less recognizable as it was always blonde when in AZ
5. Removes front license plate and turns back license plate upside down
6. Tells NO ONE that she is going to go to Arizona
7. Cell phone dies or is turned off during the entire route through Arizona and while at Travis' home
8. The gas cans and paying only cash throughout Arizona when she has been using a card all throughout CA and in UT
9. Brought a 5" knife (5" according to ME) into the bedroom/bathroom area

Now, if there were only a couple of these things, then I would believe that they could be coincidental. However, this many factors put together make it highly unlikely. Not to mention her many, many methods of covering up the crime after the fact - going so far as to call and email the victim, contact the detective multiple times, send flowers and letter to his grandma and family, attend his memorial...etc.

It reminds me of her first interrogation with Flores when he goes over the evidence and she tries to explain each one away. "We found your hair there" "Oh, well I used to brush my hair there all the time." "We found your bloody palm print" "Oh, well, his dog scratched me and I probably touched the wall." And she keeps asking him, "that could be why, right?"

There are just TOO many factors to explain away. It just doesn't add up right for her...

[*crickets*]

Headline on Nancy Grace: "Jurors take a stab"..
Unfrickenbelievable!

[TupeloHoney]

Not sure how you guys aren't realizing that he CAN'T call another witness while in the process of cross examining Jodi. It doesn't work that way. NOW that he has her statements, he can call various experts and use other evidence and details to disprove her. It's not like you can just pull a bunch of various people up on the stand at the same time. Nurmi will go through his remaining people and rest his case. Then JM will call his rebuttal witnesses and disprove things that were stated by Jodi and any others called by Nurmi. Realize, we are only half way through this thing - this is FAR from over. He has been a prosecutor for AZ for about 30 years...pretty sure he knows how the process goes and what is permitted and how to do his job much better than we do!

So, just give it time and have some faith. I don't think he will let us down!!

^^^THIS^^^

[M Joy]

Is there court tomorrow? I think Friday/Mon/Tues there is none -- can anyone verify?

Yes there is court tomorrow, 10:30 MST. No court on Fridays.
Not sure about Monday/Tuesday for next week. If they're off, I hope that Jodi is off the stand by the end of tomorrow!

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

If you haven't seen this, it's pretty compelling. I don't agree with every part of it but I think it's on the right track.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&h...lFc&nomobile=1

WOW! Best explanation I've seen so far with regards to how camera got moved and why she shot him last.

[Sneakers the Wonder Dog]

A thought on premeditation...?"

There are just TOO many factors to explain away. It just doesn't add up right for her...

Bingo!

[TupeloHoney]

If I were on that jury, I would ask:

"After coming out of your stupid lame ass Fog...and if you had any shred of a soul in you, WHY THE FUCK did you want to see the pictures of what you did to this man you supposedly "loved despite his many flaws?" How could a human being with any kind of soul want to see that?

Then I would pull a Costanza and be like " That's it for me, I'm out!"

She is not good for my health. I don't hate much of anything or anyone, but I hate this bitch.

"Leaving on a high note!"

[kimiknits]

Yes there is court tomorrow, 10:30 MST. No court on Fridays.
Not sure about Monday/Tuesday for next week. If they're off, I hope that Jodi is off the stand by the end of tomorrow!

thanks, i have to go into the office tomorrow so now i know when to set my dvr to record.....

[AnnieBelle]

If I were on that jury, I would ask:

"After coming out of your stupid lame ass Fog...and if you had any shred of a soul in you, WHY THE FUCK did you want to see the pictures of what you did to this man you supposedly "loved despite his many flaws?" How could a human being with any kind of soul want to see that?

Then I would pull a Costanza and be like " That's it for me, I'm out!"

She is not good for my health. I don't hate much of anything or anyone, but I hate this bitch.

I LOVE how, during the interrogation....when Detective Flores is showing Jodi the naked photos of her that were recovered from the camera. She is leaning over the table, and remarking "Gee, that LOOKS like me!!"
Seriously??!

[AnnieBelle]

If you haven't seen this, it's pretty compelling. I don't agree with every part of it but I think it's on the right track.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&h...lFc&nomobile=1

I think this is as close to an actual account as we'll get. Really chilling to watch the seconds creep by and know that her story can not possibly match up to the timeline that is documented by those photos. There is no way. Thanks for posting this!

[Jinkasaurus]

Is there any definitive proof she was at his house at 4am on June 4th?

[Dee Stress]

Did they ever have hanging as capital punishment in Arizona? How about hanging by the tongue?

Lol! But the noose knot would just slip right off that glib tongue. Unless ... it's done by a magic rope that's loose but taut, then tightens again all by itself? Yeah, i'd go for that.

She has balls, no?

She's had many balls, yes.

My husband committed suicide, and we are of the Catholic faith.....so this misconception hit a sore spot with me. The Catholic Doctrine teaches that the church now recognizes the role of mental illness as a mitigating factor in suicide deaths, and that victims are not held with the same degree of culpability that they were in the past ages. This was updated in the latest Cathechism, written by John Paul II. Long gone are the days where they could not receive a Catholic funeral and burial on consecrated ground. I sought counseling within the church, as well as reading the Cathechism, as this "stigma" weighs SO heavily on those that suicide leaves in it's wake. Sorry for the rant. :(

How sad Annie. I just read your other post that you have found peace through time, that's so nice to know. x

Based on the question about Travis moving the camera and could that explain the delay--

She has her one juror.

Since the actual jurors and alternates will be decided by random draw, it's left to be said if that person will actually be one of the ones to decide her fate...

I really don't think she has. Some questions I've wondered at then thought, no, I think he/she's testing her (real or imagined) capacity for recall.

Ok...site is slow...I think...first off...she may have no dx. Second, the reason why..despite my profession...this is personal..I don't believe she is a sociopath is because I have carry the diagnosis. I am a fully functioning human. I have a kid and a great job. I can tell you all one thing...if I were to EVER do something like this...you could never tell I was lying.

You are? I'm intrigued by this, but won't go any further in case I'm reading this wrong.

I thought she said that was the previous experience that influenced why she didn't call 911 on Travis.

You're right, she did.

i think martinez is not bringing certain thinks up on purpose - because she will lie and deny all of it, so it might have bigger impact w/ rebuttal witnesses and experts, where she doesn't have the chance to deny it cuz she is done testifying and also in his closing - like the timing, she can't pull off every thing she said in the 90-120 secs the pics prove, but if he shows that w. experts rather than asking her and letting her shift her story to match it seems like it will have more impact

Glad you said this, as I couldn't be bothered saying it again. Absolutely agree, Martinez is nobody's fool.

Not sure how you guys aren't realizing that he CAN'T call another witness while in the process of cross examining Jodi. It doesn't work that way. NOW that he has her statements, he can call various experts and use other evidence and details to disprove her. It's not like you can just pull a bunch of various people up on the stand at the same time. Nurmi will go through his remaining people and rest his case. Then JM will call his rebuttal witnesses and disprove things that were stated by Jodi and any others called by Nurmi. Realize, we are only half way through this thing - this is FAR from over. He has been a prosecutor for AZ for about 30 years...pretty sure he knows how the process goes and what is permitted and how to do his job much better than we do!

So, just give it time and have some faith. I don't think he will let us down!!

This exactly!

Not seen Justice around today. Hopefully just busy with real life things, and feeling lots better than yesterday

[AnnieBelle]

Not sure how you guys aren't realizing that he CAN'T call another witness while in the process of cross examining Jodi. It doesn't work that way. NOW that he has her statements, he can call various experts and use other evidence and details to disprove her. It's not like you can just pull a bunch of various people up on the stand at the same time. Nurmi will go through his remaining people and rest his case. Then JM will call his rebuttal witnesses and disprove things that were stated by Jodi and any others called by Nurmi. Realize, we are only half way through this thing - this is FAR from over. He has been a prosecutor for AZ for about 30 years...pretty sure he knows how the process goes and what is permitted and how to do his job much better than we do!

So, just give it time and have some faith. I don't think he will let us down!!

I have utmost faith in his ability to hit a home run for Travis and his family.....bring it home, Juan Martinez!

[Peace Corpse]

I am amazed that this woman has an answer without hesitation to every question posed to her. This is one of the most fascinating case studies of sociopathy/narcissism that I have ever seen. Clearly she's a liar at every turn BUT....her ability to explain away the brutality of the crime is fascinating. She believes every word she is saying. The power of denial is incredible. One question the Jurors need to ask: Why did you slit his throat to the bone, almost decapitating him if you had shot him first and stabbed him repeatedly? Why the overkill?

[AnnieBelle]

Ok...site is slow...I think...first off...she may have no dx. Second, the reason why..despite my profession...this is personal..I don't believe she is a sociopath is because I have carry the diagnosis. I am a fully functioning human. I have a kid and a great job. I can tell you all one thing...if I were to EVER do something like this...you could never tell I was lying.

This sounds just....odd. On many levels.

[Metis212]

The reason she dumped him into the shower and washed him down might be due to lose of bowel control at death or due to shock from the heart stab. Apologies for being so blunt...it happens.

[Sherlock]

I wish you could too. I am thinking the shot came first too. I think she thought he was going to die sitting in the shower. She could shoot him once in the head, close the door and leave with absolutely no mess. She may have gotten away with it, but he didn't die, and shit got messy.

Yeah I've always thought the shot came first and it got messed up. Or 'shit got messy'! With all of her planning how could she think she could stab and kill and be successful? If you haven't murdered before that's a big risk. A gun is not a risk. I've always thought that she found the casing, picked it up and put it in her pocket but it dropped out. I know the facts lean more towards the shot coming last but the ME's doubt due to the state of decomposition and the way she planned everything so meticulously doesn't fit in with what she was trying to do. If she wanted to cover her tracks so well, duh? leave a guy brutally stabbed with a jilted lover that was going to be the first suspect? I also agree with an earlier post that she planned to do it in the shower and take the body out to the desert and use the gas to burn him. I would think there might have been a tarp in the car that was thrown out too.

[Peace Corpse]

Dear ImBatman,

There are different levels to sociopathy and psychopathy. Just because you may lack empathy or may be a narcissist or have sociopathic symptoms...does not make you a murderer. Personality disorders are mild to extreme. Also both these disorders can be coupled with Narcissism, Histrionic personality disorder, bi-polar, borderline etc. And don't forget RAGE. There are many combinations she could be. Would be so helpful to know which one and any combinations that is...according to the prosecution, that is. The bottom line is that she snapped. Had...would could be termed as a psychotic RAGE break. She had no emotional pause button.

[AnnieBelle]

Dear ImBatman,

There are different levels to sociopathy and psychopathy. Just because you may lack empathy or may be a narcissist or have sociopathic symptoms...does not make you a murderer. Personality disorders are mild to extreme. Also both these disorders can be coupled with Narcissism, Histrionic personality disorder, bi-polar, borderline etc. And don't forget RAGE. There are many combinations she could be. Would be so helpful to know which one and any combinations that is...according to the prosecution, that is. The bottom line is that she snapped. Had...would could be termed as a psychotic RAGE break. She had no emotional pause
button.

Rage is not in the category of personality disorder. Also, this was obviously not a psychotic break. If it were, she would have not gone to the extremes she did to cover it up. She had an emotional pause button.....she just chose not to push it.

[Peace Corpse]

The reason she dumped him into the shower and washed him down might be due to lose of bowel control at death or due to shock from the heart stab. Apologies for being so blunt...it happens.

No way, she dumped him in the shower simply to wash potential evidence linked to her off immediately. Excretions from the body after death take some time. Excretions don't link her to him unless she poisoned him, which she didn't.

[AnnieBelle]

The reason she dumped him into the shower and washed him down might be due to lose of bowel control at death or due to shock from the heart stab. Apologies for being so blunt...it happens.

HUH? With all the mess all over that crime scene, I doubt that Jodi would have worried about cleaning up any bodily fluids. I also don't think he died in the shower....and I would think that evidence of evacuated bowels would have been found in the aftermath.

[AnnieBelle]

No way, she dumped him in the shower simply to wash potential evidence linked to her off immediately. Excretions from the body after death take some time. Excretions don't link her to him unless she poisoned him, which she didn't.

Not necessarily. It can happen (and often does) at the moment of death. And we all know that Travis was dead when he was put in that shower. But I don't believe, for a second, that it was the reason for Jodi putting him in the shower.